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[ASL7] Ro8 Preview Pt. 1 - Head or Heart?

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[ASL7] Ro8 Preview Pt. 1 - Head or Heart?

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February 23rd, 2019 06:13 GMT
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This is it! This week is an absolute rapid-fire torrent of matches to finish up the Ro8. In no time at all, we'll be approaching the championship and the first big champion in our post-Flash-post-Kespa era! But before we look forward, let's take a look back at the Ro16.

There were a lot of ups and downs and some huge upsets. Who would have thought we'd see Calm advance first over Soulkey, Snow, and Last? Who could have forseen Mind's surprise victory over Best in a macro TvP? This has been a crazy season so far, and the next round no doubt will lend us some more unexpected champions. If you missed the last half of the Ro16, Frudgey has you covered, as always:




Stay tuned for all the action, starting very soon! More previews to come later this week for the second half of the Ro8!

Our first Ro8 match, Calm vs Mini, is set to start in !

Table of Contents

  • Intro
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  • Calm vs Mini
  • Mind vs Effort
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  • (Wiki)Liquipedia
Group C Preview

Calm Before the Storm



I've said before that Calm is just on another level compared to the rest of the former top pros. I say that again today, but this time in a good way. That's all too clear from what we saw in the Ro16. The momentum behind Calm is not miraculous, it is the torn threads of Calm's Kespa past being mended. Now, writing possibly the greatest underdog story unprecedented in ASL—perhaps of all of post-Kespa history—he makes his next move.

But one moment. From the shadows is unveiled a mischievous background character who unexpectedly makes his return as the new antagonist. It is none other than Mini, who has been pushed around for far too long as he seeks redemption.

The first kick down the long stairway of disheartening defeats was a loss to hero. In a game that Mini had all but won, hero stole the series-deciding game in the third place match of ASL5. Then again, he was defeated by Flash in an utterly heartbreaking 0-3 in the ASL6 quarterfinals.

Since being dealt such devastating blows, Mini's presence in the scene has noticeably declined. He's one of the most emotionally volatile players, as evidenced by his exasperated gasps and animated facial expressions when losing. He's an ex-pro in the vicious maw of competition no doubt, which makes his journey all the more tragic. Mini has finally had enough. After shoving Larva aside only to have to face Calm, he’s in for the strangest challenge he’s faced so far. Calm is either the most underwhelming and luckiest ex-pro or the most skillful and resolute of them all.

As for how the games will actually play out, we can expect another great display of composure and planning from Calm. Here in a Bo5, Calm will be able to execute even greater levels of preparation. He'll account for what builds he’ll face, how he'll play out the series depending on the order of wins and losses, and firmly anticipate Mini's actions.

There's a mixture of underestimation, self-confidence, and great series preparation that has enabled Calm to come this far. Against Mini, possibly the cockiest of players, Calm is undoubtedly the favorite. If the series even goes as far as 2-1 in favor of Calm, expect Mini's nerves to collapse. For Calm, pure confidence will be displayed, just like the time he said there was a 90% chance for him of getting past the Ro16. This won't be a game of mechanics but sheer will. That is the game Calm plays with a renewed gusto and confident words he can back up. The audience hasn't even seen Calm's final form yet. Already this timeline is approaching a reality where Calm wins ASL7. Get ready.

(Z)Calm advances to the Ro4!


Group D Preview

Alien vs (A Beautiful) Mind



“I admire its purity. A survivor. Unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality.”


Reigning champion effort is considered by many to be the undisputed favorite to win this match and indeed the whole tournament...and rightfully so. After several seasons of mishap and underperformance, the Alien Zerg defeated the toughest of opposition—the then-defending ASL champion Rain, Last (who had just won KSL season 1), and none other than The Ultimate Weapon, Flash—to be crowned ASL champion himself. He showed his trademark aggression and cunning as well as formidable mechanical prowess. Even those who sometimes criticized his perceived lack of creativity were silenced by the deviousness of his builds and tactical burrow usage.

All this serves to show that effort is at the peak of his might, and this season we have no reason to expect anything less, even though he has not faced much opposition in GuemChi and Horang2. effort’s online results aren’t that convincing, though. In the ZvT department, he’s managed to keep a positive record of 53.6% since January. Many of his losses come from TvZ expert Light, who got himself eliminated by two Zergs against the statistical odds—a lesson to show that online win rates do not instantly translate into results on the big stage. And effort, for all his misfortunes in the earlier seasons of the ASL, has had plenty of experience on the big stage.

“Terrified. Petrified. Stupefied… by you.”


Mind the Scholar Terran surely knows he’s the first serious opposition his fearsome foe must face this season. He’s no stranger to ASL and the big stage either. He managed to reach the Ro8 in KSL2 before being eliminated by eventual finalist Sharp in what is definitely Mind’s worst matchup.

What is more notable though is that he destroyed Soulkey 3-0 in their Ro16 group. His most recent appearance in the elimination stage of ASL was in Season 5, where he lost in five games to hero. This time around, Mind appears in fine shape. After defeating Modesty in both group stages, he won against macro beast Best in his final match. And let’s face it, despite defeating such a formidable Protoss opponent to earn his Ro8 spot, it is versus Zerg where Mind really shines. His online win rate confirms that with a very, very respectable 68% in 2019. This includes a 5:3 record against Effort himself, though all games were played in early January. His TvZ style is definitely centered around bio openings and sharp timings, but he’s been known to mix in a 1-1-1 even as the build’s usage has gradually declined since effort dismantled its two most prominent users last season.

With all that being said, Effort is still the favorite to win this, but he will have to earn it. Mind is no pushover and will take every advantage the map pool and order give him.

The first map to be played is Match Point, which is considered a slightly Terran-favored map. Mind has zero losses against Zerg there—which is insane—but effort sports a very nice 7-3 record to compete against it. Expect effort to pull off a trademark aggressive build and defeat Mind comparatively early. Failing that, effort would be at a slight disadvantage.

The second game is on Whiteout. The map, with its unique features, lends itself to special builds like the one we saw Calm use against Last in the Ro16. Statistics are of little use here due to the comparatively small sample size (5:3 for Mind, 3:2 for effort) and somewhat lighter opposition both players have faced on Whiteout online. The winner here will very likely be decided by successful mind games, deviousness, and tactics, so I will give the advantage to effort.

The third map is Block Chain, the least understood map this season. Early on it was considered a TvZ nightmare because of the difficult third base for Terran. As games were played and data was gathered, though, statistics showed us otherwise: the Terran race sports a 57.1% win percentage against Zerg here. Our belligerents’ results aren’t much different, either. Effort has won just over a third (7-13) of his ZvT games on this map, whereas Mind has kept a positive (12-9) record so far. I will keep with the numbers here and give and ever-so-slight advantage to Mind.

Assuming the match reaches a fourth game on Neo Sylphid, we find ourselves on another three-player map. The big main, surrounded by walls, suggests drop and air plays can be and have been utilized to great effect by both sides. Statistically, Mind boasts a significantly better record here (7-2 as opposed to Effort’s 9-6). As we already established, though, statistics are just a tool and a fairly imprecise one. Considering the stakes, the players’ state of mind (pun not intended), and the fact that both players have prepared in secret, statistics mean little here. I expect effort to go against the numbers with tactics and micro as he did last season and take this map and the match.


Predictions:
effort > Mind // Match Point
effort > Mind // Whiteout
Mind > effort // Block Chain
effort > Mind // Neo Sylphid

(Z)EffOrt advances to the Ro4!



Writers: TaardadAiel, Ty2
Graphics: v1, EsportsJohn
Photo Credit: JackyVSO
Editors: EsportsJohn
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oEkY
Profile Joined August 2016
Germany649 Posts
February 23 2019 07:40 GMT
#2
„Calm is undoubtedly the favorite“ ??? I thought the exact opposite, i would be suprised if mini loses more than one game, but nice write up overall
EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
February 23 2019 07:50 GMT
#3
Ty2 has pulled a full 180 since his initial preview of Calm. It seems those games made a huge impression on him.
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Zaibakk
Profile Joined May 2017
101 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-23 08:51:51
February 23 2019 08:51 GMT
#4
Amazing analysis as always... quote of Ridley Scott's Alien is perfect here ahah!
Ty2
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1434 Posts
February 23 2019 08:55 GMT
#5
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Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-23 09:28:34
February 23 2019 09:26 GMT
#6
Calm vs Mini can go either way in my opinion. I also don't mind either one advancing, since neither have won championships

Oh and Mind will get bopped, winning in an offline bo5 against Flash gets you a free ZvT autowin pass for the next God knows how long
Mine gas, build tanks.
carebear91
Profile Joined February 2010
Singapore236 Posts
February 23 2019 09:49 GMT
#7
if calm shows up today instead of clam, he's definitely going to the RO4
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3116 Posts
February 23 2019 10:01 GMT
#8
I think EffOrt will win 3-0 and Mini will win 3-2 to advance. I don't see anyone beating EffOrt in a Bo5 at this point.
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13008 Posts
February 23 2019 10:28 GMT
#9
All in on Clam.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
deathgod6
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States5064 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-23 14:08:33
February 23 2019 11:26 GMT
#10
+ Show Spoiler [Calm vs Mini spoiler] +
Extremely surprised to read Calm as the favorite, because he seemed to cheese his way into the quarter finals. His macro has yet to challenge Mini's.
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Ty2
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1434 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-23 14:07:34
February 23 2019 11:41 GMT
#11
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Jragon
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Australia1471 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-23 14:07:58
February 23 2019 13:54 GMT
#12
+ Show Spoiler [Calm vs Mini spoiler] +
Calm's style is still dependent on outfoxing his opponent it seems; the Brain Zerg's overall macro and micro aren't quite up to the level of the top tier.
"Bisu is just too good." - Jaedong (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218995) "Bisu hyung's play is just too good" - Flash (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=225861)
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
February 23 2019 15:15 GMT
#13
+ Show Spoiler +
Congrats to Mini, he really picked himself up after game 1
Mine gas, build tanks.
StarkTemplar
Profile Joined March 2013
United States9 Posts
February 23 2019 16:02 GMT
#14
Anyone know the song playing at the start of the stream today?
Winter is Coming
Rodya
Profile Joined January 2018
546 Posts
February 23 2019 16:24 GMT
#15
On February 24 2019 01:02 StarkTemplar wrote:
Anyone know the song playing at the start of the stream today?

Bro what song are you talking about?
???
Banned for saying "zerg players are by far the biggest whiners in sc2 history" despite the fact that this forum is full of such posts about Terrans. Foreigner Elitists in control!
Frudgey
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada3367 Posts
February 23 2019 18:38 GMT
#16
Looking forward to the Mind versus Effort match.

+ Show Spoiler [Calm vs Mini] +
An interesting set, but I thought it was a little underwhelming. Is that normal or are normally the Round of 8 matches supposed to be crazy hype?
It is better to die for The Emperor than live for yourself.
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
February 24 2019 11:43 GMT
#17
+ Show Spoiler +
Congrats EffOrt, maybe 2-time consecutive champ? A Rain vs EffOrt finals would be suuuper nice
Mine gas, build tanks.
MrMischelito
Profile Joined February 2014
347 Posts
February 24 2019 18:28 GMT
#18
I find 'highlights and banter' videos insufficient as replacement for a nice battle report. they don't really cover the games.
I wish for someone to write recaps like the ones we used to have in the past.

am I the only one who feels this way?
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19246 Posts
February 25 2019 02:16 GMT
#19
On February 25 2019 03:28 MrMischelito wrote:
I find 'highlights and banter' videos insufficient as replacement for a nice battle report. they don't really cover the games.
I wish for someone to write recaps like the ones we used to have in the past.

am I the only one who feels this way?

We usually do more detailed ones after group stages.
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StarkTemplar
Profile Joined March 2013
United States9 Posts
February 26 2019 02:03 GMT
#20
On February 24 2019 01:24 Rodya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2019 01:02 StarkTemplar wrote:
Anyone know the song playing at the start of the stream today?

Bro what song are you talking about?


The song playing at the start of the VOD.

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