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As already mentioned, there are no best keyboard and mice, all peripherals really come down to preference.
If you were looking for a list of what pros use, there does happen to be a Liquipedia article about that:  Pro gear
Frankly I try not to put too much thought into what pro's use now a days, because sponsorship is so prevalent that you typically won't find a professional gamer in any esport that doesn't use something from whoever they're sponsored by.
Personally for keyboard I jump between a TKL Leopold with Browns, and a DT35.
For mouse I typically use a Microsoft Wheel Mouse Optical, because I think it works best for every type of game. If I'm playing FPS I might decide to use a IME 2.0 or 3.0 because they are bigger and heavier, and for RTS I might decide to use my old Razer Abyssus, since it is small and light.
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Netherlands4987 Posts
On July 14 2018 06:25 jimminy_kriket wrote:
Logitech g102/203 is the best mouse on the market currently. This is of course my opinion. It is a gpro with a different sensor, and if anyone in this thread tells you they can tell the difference in a real world scenario they are lying.
Thx for posting. That model looks great and is not stupidly overpriced.
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this is also a good combo
![[image loading]](https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71ecWXHNG1L._SL1000_.jpg)
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On July 14 2018 07:31 TT1 wrote:this is also a good combo
Oh god that brings me back to playing on a macbook air with a shit mouse
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On July 14 2018 11:34 vaL4r wrote:
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There's this guy in your tabletop group that's really cool and handsome whose name starts with an 'n' and whose characters' names' start with 'L'. Why is he your favourite person and why is he so great?
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On July 14 2018 11:47 neobowman wrote:
There's this guy in your tabletop group that's really cool and handsome whose name starts with an 'n' and whose characters' names' start with 'L'. Why is he your favourite person and why is he so great?
It's cause he plays a female dnd character 
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On July 14 2018 11:52 vaL4r wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2018 11:47 neobowman wrote:
There's this guy in your tabletop group that's really cool and handsome whose name starts with an 'n' and whose characters' names' start with 'L'. Why is he your favourite person and why is he so great? It's cause he plays a female dnd character
Equal-opportunity representation for life!
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On July 14 2018 04:44 GGzerG wrote:
Actually Razer Abyssus is probably the best mouse i've had for RTS, it is perfect for BW, generic mouse, cheap, accurate, no special buttons, it was actually designed specifically for RTS.
I'm also using the Abyssus and it's the best mouse I've ever had. But as it is kind of small, it's not suited for everyone.
@keyboard: Das Keyboard Ultimate 4. (MX Blue)
I'm typing a lot, so blues were the natural choice. But I also like them while playing SC. They're not really nice in FPS games, though.
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Russian Federation92 Posts
Over the years, I've finally found best of the best.
Mouse: Mad Catz RAT8 (optical sensor Pixart PMW 3360). Adjustable size, suited for all hands - small and big.
Keyboard: Tesoro Gram Spectrum (blue switches). Low-profile keycap design - slim 6.2mm vs standart 11.5mm.
![[image loading]](http://pix.my/o/4DiEZN?1531773753) ![[image loading]](http://pix.my/o/BG74gR?1531771526)
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MX518, my last 5 has been this, im on my last one now though
Will have to quit when this one breaks
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Everyone has talked about it coming down to "preference" but it must be noted that "preference" in some situations is also not an option but a necessity.
For me, I have relatively small hands. I can't use a keyboard that has wide spaces between the keys, and I can't use a mouse that's too big either.
I generally get accustomed to the keyboard of whatever my current laptop is and have never seen a drop in skill over the years - that is, depending on the width of the laptop's keyboard.
As far as mice go, I do an extended clawgrip and I found that the Logitech M525 is the perfect fit for my hand.
https://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/wireless-mouse-m525
Prior to this I used a Logitech M325 which is smaller and lighter.
https://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/wireless-mouse-m325
I realized that I only preferred light (as opposed to heavy) mice because I operate on high sensitivity. In the past, I could move my mouse from the bottom left corner of the screen to the top right corner of the screen with only an inch of physical distance covered on my mousepad. However, once I found out about pixels being skipped in BW as a result of my high sensitivity, I lowered it a bit and found my wrists and fingers burdened by mice that were too heavy, so I began trying out the lightest and smallest mice I could find (within reason).
The M325 was a decent fit but because it is so small, it has what I call a poor "stop" mechanic where when I move my mouse in towards the palm with my fingers it takes too long for it to reach the base of my palm. A slightly larger but similarly light-weight mouse reaches there sooner, giving me quick access to immediate downward scrolling without in any way worsening my upward scrolling (on a BW screen).
My suggestion would be as someone else mentioned to go to a store and try out different mice. BestBuy in the US may rip you off price-wise but they have a 14 day guarantee. You can go in, buy a mouse, use it, decide if you like it or not for 2 weeks, then return it and get a new one. This is something that is much harder to do off online vendors, in my opinion. BestBuy can also order mice to be delivered for you to buy in-store, at which point you can go through the same process.
If you're really serious about finding the "best" for you, then I'd suggest going down that route.
Now, I don't mean to take the conversation off-topic, but can anyone explain to me why mechanical keyboards are preferred over the more modern laptop-style keyboards with short, flat keys? I much prefer the laptop keyboard style, perhaps as a result of my handwidth. I like the fact that you don't have to press as much or as hard in order to get the outcome action, both in game and out of game. I probably type more words per day than 90% of the userbase here as a result of my job and my academic research and I've found it to be superior in every sense. Can someone who uses mechanical keyboards for the express purpose of competitive play explain why they are historically preferred, for any reason beyond "the pros use it" (which is a manifestation of the age of BW and not a true merit to one piece of technology or another)?
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not sure but I think mechanical returns to neutral position faster so you can basically press again sooner
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On July 17 2018 09:55 Jealous wrote:
Now, I don't mean to take the conversation off-topic, but can anyone explain to me why mechanical keyboards are preferred over the more modern laptop-style keyboards with short, flat keys? I much prefer the laptop keyboard style, perhaps as a result of my handwidth. I like the fact that you don't have to press as much or as hard in order to get the outcome action, both in game and out of game. I probably type more words per day than 90% of the userbase here as a result of my job and my academic research and I've found it to be superior in every sense. Can someone who uses mechanical keyboards for the express purpose of competitive play explain why they are historically preferred, for any reason beyond "the pros use it" (which is a manifestation of the age of BW and not a true merit to one piece of technology or another)?
This is why I use a Mechanical keyboard. Specifically I have blue swtiches.
- I have large sausage fingers, so A laptop style keboard with less actuation but a closer "bottom out" makes me consistently miss keys and strike two at the same time.
- It feels ergonomically better. I have used both, and with my mechanical keyboard i can get in a rhythm where I am actuating, but not slamming my fingers and bottoming out, making nice light presses with tactile feedback. As opposed to constantly hitting the base of the keyboard on the laptop/mac style board.
- For operations like Shift-Fx or control-x having a longer travel distance for the "anchor key" shift or control, makes the action the feel solid, unlike my experience on a mac keyboard where it feels slippy, IE my finger isnt solidly on the key.
- Removable key-caps. This is pretty big for me, I like removing F1 and the keys next to 0 and P since i am a protoss. In case im reaching over and am a little inaccurate, I can feel it much quicker. Now, I don't know if some laptop style keyboard have removable key-caps, but all the ones I have used didn't. This makes it easy to cleak as well.
- The sound. I personally enjoy the auditory experience of hearing my own keys, but this is also a product of having blue switches. I think you should check out how different some of the various types of switches are, you might be able to find one close to your keyboard but with more perks.
I have typed so many essays and reports on my mechanical keyboard, redragon kunamara, and I love it for typing as well.
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As long as i didnt use mechanical keyboard i didnt know how many "missing" clicks i had on my old membrane keyboard. In 1st days i was like "wow now i know why my zealots/units didnt warp sometimes in gateways" : D
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Hi spx!
I've tried tons of mice and keyboards over the year and my ultimate setup now is Cooler Master: NovaTouch TKL keyboard with Topre switches and ABKO Hacker A400 mouse. Can get them both on eBay.
Mouse LMO way
Almost all Korean pros were using Logitech Mini Optical Mouse (M-UV55A) which is just 400 DPI. It was perfectly fine for 640x480 brood war but for remastered the DPI is too low. So I bought some modern LMO clones with the same shape (FKminiv3, FKmini2, NKEY G007, ABKO A400, Teamwolf Archon). Out all of them A400 feels the best. It's glossy back reminds me of old Razer Diamondback, feels really nice and have DPI switch button adjustable with the drivers. I use 800-1000dpi depending on the monitor resolution (e.g. 800dpi for 1280x1024 or 1080p and 1000dpi for 1600x1200 or 1200p).
Mouse Logitech MX-300 way
Also many people were using Logitech MX-300, G1, G3. If you like their shape you can either get G1 refurbished from China or buy Logitech G100s/G90/NMouse 4K aka Zalman ZM M-600R/Ninox Aurora. Also could try G102/203/G-Pro, they have the best clicks on the market, however the shape is no longer like in G1 \_/ they are more of an egg shape. It's like G1 and LMO had sex and G-Pro is their baby. G102/G203 are same as G-Pro with sightly different sensor. But you won't feel the sensor difference out of all mentioned mice. Trust me, nobody can tell whether it's 3090 sensor or 3310 or even older G1 sensor whichever it was never looking at the mice specs. I won't believe those people who say it feels differently, for Starcraft it does not matter. However G-Pro has a stiff braided cable which would drag the mouse on the table and you don't want that. So I don't see any reasons to buy G-Pro over G102/G203 coz it's more expensive. Again aim for 800-1200 DPI (no acceleration) depending on your screen resolution. If you have like 4K display adjust accordingly.
There are plenty of people who use other mice but for BW they are the best IMHO. They are all small enough and lightweight.
Keyboards
IMHO you should feel the clicks of your keyboard to tell for sure whether you build the unit or not or assigned a control group. So if you go mechanical I would avoid MX-Red/MX-Black switches. They are not tactile. I would go with Topre/MX-Brown/MX-Blue/Logitech Romer-G switch. They are all tactile. However be careful with MX-Blue (aka Razer Green) coz they are very clicky and loud, could even slow you down at higher APM (not sure). Topre (45gram) is the best switch but pretty expensive. Membrane keyboards are not that bad. Koreans still use DT-35 and you can get them on eBay still pretty cheap. They have tactile feeling. Also take a look at SteelSeries Apex 100, it has one of the best membrane switches. I also prefer TKL keyboards coz they don't take much space and closer to your mouse, feel more natural.
If you use your computer at work I would get a trackball or trackpad/touchpad or at least a weird shaped ergo mouse instead of a normal mouse so your hands could relax at work (wrists, joints, palm position) and when you come home to play Starcraft your hands would feel as good as new. Cheers!
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I use some cheap ass tall key keyboard, and a good old trusty G90. Apm 250-300, no problems with the cheap keyboard. The noteworthy thing here however is the velcro stickers I put on the important keys. Really makes a huge difference.
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/Lz9Oecj.jpg)
Don't mind the left key... victim of rage lol
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On July 17 2018 16:39 QuadroX wrote:
Hi spx!
I've tried tons of mice and keyboards over the year and my ultimate setup now is Cooler Master: NovaTouch TKL keyboard with Topre switches and ABKO Hacker A400 mouse. Can get them both on eBay.
Mouse LMO way
Almost all Korean pros were using Logitech Mini Optical Mouse (M-UV55A) which is just 400 DPI. It was perfectly fine for 640x480 brood war but for remastered the DPI is too low. So I bought some modern LMO clones with the same shape (FKminiv3, FKmini2, NKEY G007, ABKO A400, Teamwolf Archon). Out all of them A400 feels the best. It's glossy back reminds me of old Razer Diamondback, feels really nice and have DPI switch button adjustable with the drivers. I use 800-1000dpi depending on the monitor resolution (e.g. 800dpi for 1280x1024 or 1080p and 1000dpi for 1600x1200 or 1200p).
For what it's worth, 400 DPI mice are still just fine with Brood War. I'm using a wheel mouse optical, and all I have to do to make sure it feels good is just check Mouse Scaling in the input settings, and then it feels like it always does.
I'll probably check out the ABKO A400 though, nice recommendation.
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France1919 Posts
I hope spx will let us know what he ends up choosing.
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