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iFU.spx
Russian Federation372 Posts
I wanna change my equipment to improve mechanics (never did it before, always used decent stuff) And i am wondering what kind of keyboard and mouse are you using? Also i would be grateful if you know what kind of equipment using Flash, Last, Jaedong. Thank you | ||
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SuGo
United States681 Posts
With that being said, I'm using Razer DeathAdder Chroma for my Mouse (if you've got slightly bigger hands, I think you may like it, thought it's on the heavier side). For the keyboard, I'm using Razer BlackWidow Stealth (this is just a good mechanical keyboard, and slightly more quiet than some other mechanical keyboards out there). Also, view this link to help you find sizing and weight information: i.imgur.com I've also noticed The Logitech G series is very popular amongst gamers, so you may also want to check this line out. | ||
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1168 Posts
for the mouse - better try them all - so many tastes... Depends very much on how big your hands are but in almost any case a light weight mouse is better for apm intense games such as SC. PS. + Show Spoiler + Razer is overpriced garbage edit: and what I'm using - mouse - Logitech G Pro (light and not big mouse which a liked). i've used steelseries kinzu, zowie mico, several razer devices - i like the logitech g pro mouse most of them all. - keyboard - some generic high-end dell keyboard which i'd like to switch with mechanical keyboard with red/brown switches. If there is a brand that I'd like to have, it is Das or Filco | ||
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iFU.spx
Russian Federation372 Posts
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1168 Posts
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HaN-
France1920 Posts
$30 - Logitech G203 Prodigy Gaming Mouse $30 - Zowie BenQ Camade Mouse Cable Management Device https://imgur.com/a/dEhAj2E I have no complaints with this equipment, great stuff. I tried 5 mouses before I finally found the right one: the G203. I have big hands (9x19,5cm) so I tried the G403 first, good mouse but in the end I prefer the G203, it doesn't feel too small. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6793 Posts
On July 13 2018 22:34 iFU.spx wrote: yea, it is a matter of taste. I just don't want to research those technical things. First of all i want to narrow amount of mouses and keyboards by finding out what mouses pro's and tl net users are using. Then I want to try them out by myself and if i won't like them - start research xD u were in Korea and didnt bring 5-6 qsenn DT35 with you ? about mouse,i think right now best mouses are g403 and g-pro(g203) | ||
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Poegim
Poland264 Posts
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Kare
Norway786 Posts
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1168 Posts
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TT1
Canada10012 Posts
here's a few good mice from a very good reviewer: http://www.rocketjumpninja.com/top-40/ | ||
Peeano
Netherlands5198 Posts
It took me a week to get used to it, but after that it felt amazing. My next mouse will need to look and perform a lot like this one... The design, durability and weight is perfect to me, but would not recommend it. The wire is very stiff and the mousecase does not fit perfectly, it's a tiny bit loose. While I'm happy with it, I think the G9 a very overpriced mouse for what you get. I recommend a mouse that has a solid body, not something that's customizable (only costs u extra). And have the wire be flexable or you may want to also get a mouse bungee, if that is still a thing. | ||
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KameZerg
Sweden1767 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10253 Posts
The keyboard is also AORUS k7, which is Cherry MX Reds. I love Blues for the feel but unfortunately, playing a game like starcraft means my fingers tire out very quickly while using blues, so reds are my preferred switches instead. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10686 Posts
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SexyGG
Bulgaria62 Posts
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TT1
Canada10012 Posts
^ that's an upgraded version of this mouse: (they improved the cord) they're most likely gonna release a smaller version of the ultralight in the future | ||
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XenOsky
Chile2298 Posts
Keyboard - Havit HB-KV 327 | ||
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Gorgonoth
United States468 Posts
![[image loading]](https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FPeindENjVng%2Fmaxresdefault.jpg&f=1) | ||
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jimminy_kriket
Canada5522 Posts
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Glueburn
United States496 Posts
If you were looking for a list of what pros use, there does happen to be a Liquipedia article about that:  Pro gearFrankly I try not to put too much thought into what pro's use now a days, because sponsorship is so prevalent that you typically won't find a professional gamer in any esport that doesn't use something from whoever they're sponsored by. Personally for keyboard I jump between a TKL Leopold with Browns, and a DT35. For mouse I typically use a Microsoft Wheel Mouse Optical, because I think it works best for every type of game. If I'm playing FPS I might decide to use a IME 2.0 or 3.0 because they are bigger and heavier, and for RTS I might decide to use my old Razer Abyssus, since it is small and light. | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands5198 Posts
On July 14 2018 06:25 jimminy_kriket wrote: Logitech g102/203 is the best mouse on the market currently. This is of course my opinion. It is a gpro with a different sensor, and if anyone in this thread tells you they can tell the difference in a real world scenario they are lying. Thx for posting. That model looks great and is not stupidly overpriced. | ||
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TT1
Canada10012 Posts
![[image loading]](https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71ecWXHNG1L._SL1000_.jpg) | ||
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Gorgonoth
United States468 Posts
On July 14 2018 07:31 TT1 wrote: this is also a good combo Oh god that brings me back to playing on a macbook air with a shit mouse | ||
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vaL4r
Germany240 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/iC9XyHk.jpg) | ||
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neobowman
Canada3324 Posts
On July 14 2018 11:34 vaL4r wrote: ama There's this guy in your tabletop group that's really cool and handsome whose name starts with an 'n' and whose characters' names' start with 'L'. Why is he your favourite person and why is he so great? | ||
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vaL4r
Germany240 Posts
On July 14 2018 11:47 neobowman wrote: There's this guy in your tabletop group that's really cool and handsome whose name starts with an 'n' and whose characters' names' start with 'L'. Why is he your favourite person and why is he so great? It's cause he plays a female dnd character | ||
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neobowman
Canada3324 Posts
Equal-opportunity representation for life! | ||
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vaL4r
Germany240 Posts
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virpi
Germany3599 Posts
On July 14 2018 04:44 GGzerG wrote: Actually Razer Abyssus is probably the best mouse i've had for RTS, it is perfect for BW, generic mouse, cheap, accurate, no special buttons, it was actually designed specifically for RTS. I'm also using the Abyssus and it's the best mouse I've ever had. But as it is kind of small, it's not suited for everyone. @keyboard: Das Keyboard Ultimate 4. (MX Blue) I'm typing a lot, so blues were the natural choice. But I also like them while playing SC. They're not really nice in FPS games, though. | ||
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Malkiyah
Russian Federation92 Posts
Mouse: Mad Catz RAT8 (optical sensor Pixart PMW 3360). Adjustable size, suited for all hands - small and big. Keyboard: Tesoro Gram Spectrum (blue switches). Low-profile keycap design - slim 6.2mm vs standart 11.5mm. | ||
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elKa-ThE-FeArEd
Sweden177 Posts
Will have to quit when this one breaks | ||
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Jealous
10253 Posts
For me, I have relatively small hands. I can't use a keyboard that has wide spaces between the keys, and I can't use a mouse that's too big either. I generally get accustomed to the keyboard of whatever my current laptop is and have never seen a drop in skill over the years - that is, depending on the width of the laptop's keyboard. As far as mice go, I do an extended clawgrip and I found that the Logitech M525 is the perfect fit for my hand. https://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/wireless-mouse-m525 Prior to this I used a Logitech M325 which is smaller and lighter. https://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/wireless-mouse-m325 I realized that I only preferred light (as opposed to heavy) mice because I operate on high sensitivity. In the past, I could move my mouse from the bottom left corner of the screen to the top right corner of the screen with only an inch of physical distance covered on my mousepad. However, once I found out about pixels being skipped in BW as a result of my high sensitivity, I lowered it a bit and found my wrists and fingers burdened by mice that were too heavy, so I began trying out the lightest and smallest mice I could find (within reason). The M325 was a decent fit but because it is so small, it has what I call a poor "stop" mechanic where when I move my mouse in towards the palm with my fingers it takes too long for it to reach the base of my palm. A slightly larger but similarly light-weight mouse reaches there sooner, giving me quick access to immediate downward scrolling without in any way worsening my upward scrolling (on a BW screen). My suggestion would be as someone else mentioned to go to a store and try out different mice. BestBuy in the US may rip you off price-wise but they have a 14 day guarantee. You can go in, buy a mouse, use it, decide if you like it or not for 2 weeks, then return it and get a new one. This is something that is much harder to do off online vendors, in my opinion. BestBuy can also order mice to be delivered for you to buy in-store, at which point you can go through the same process. If you're really serious about finding the "best" for you, then I'd suggest going down that route. Now, I don't mean to take the conversation off-topic, but can anyone explain to me why mechanical keyboards are preferred over the more modern laptop-style keyboards with short, flat keys? I much prefer the laptop keyboard style, perhaps as a result of my handwidth. I like the fact that you don't have to press as much or as hard in order to get the outcome action, both in game and out of game. I probably type more words per day than 90% of the userbase here as a result of my job and my academic research and I've found it to be superior in every sense. Can someone who uses mechanical keyboards for the express purpose of competitive play explain why they are historically preferred, for any reason beyond "the pros use it" (which is a manifestation of the age of BW and not a true merit to one piece of technology or another)? | ||
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ProMeTheus112
France2027 Posts
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Gorgonoth
United States468 Posts
On July 17 2018 09:55 Jealous wrote: Now, I don't mean to take the conversation off-topic, but can anyone explain to me why mechanical keyboards are preferred over the more modern laptop-style keyboards with short, flat keys? I much prefer the laptop keyboard style, perhaps as a result of my handwidth. I like the fact that you don't have to press as much or as hard in order to get the outcome action, both in game and out of game. I probably type more words per day than 90% of the userbase here as a result of my job and my academic research and I've found it to be superior in every sense. Can someone who uses mechanical keyboards for the express purpose of competitive play explain why they are historically preferred, for any reason beyond "the pros use it" (which is a manifestation of the age of BW and not a true merit to one piece of technology or another)? This is why I use a Mechanical keyboard. Specifically I have blue swtiches.
I have typed so many essays and reports on my mechanical keyboard, redragon kunamara, and I love it for typing as well. | ||
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Poegim
Poland264 Posts
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QuadroX
386 Posts
I've tried tons of mice and keyboards over the year and my ultimate setup now is Cooler Master: NovaTouch TKL keyboard with Topre switches and ABKO Hacker A400 mouse. Can get them both on eBay. Mouse LMO way Almost all Korean pros were using Logitech Mini Optical Mouse (M-UV55A) which is just 400 DPI. It was perfectly fine for 640x480 brood war but for remastered the DPI is too low. So I bought some modern LMO clones with the same shape (FKminiv3, FKmini2, NKEY G007, ABKO A400, Teamwolf Archon). Out all of them A400 feels the best. It's glossy back reminds me of old Razer Diamondback, feels really nice and have DPI switch button adjustable with the drivers. I use 800-1000dpi depending on the monitor resolution (e.g. 800dpi for 1280x1024 or 1080p and 1000dpi for 1600x1200 or 1200p). Mouse Logitech MX-300 way Also many people were using Logitech MX-300, G1, G3. If you like their shape you can either get G1 refurbished from China or buy Logitech G100s/G90/NMouse 4K aka Zalman ZM M-600R/Ninox Aurora. Also could try G102/203/G-Pro, they have the best clicks on the market, however the shape is no longer like in G1 \_/ they are more of an egg shape. It's like G1 and LMO had sex and G-Pro is their baby. G102/G203 are same as G-Pro with sightly different sensor. But you won't feel the sensor difference out of all mentioned mice. Trust me, nobody can tell whether it's 3090 sensor or 3310 or even older G1 sensor whichever it was never looking at the mice specs. I won't believe those people who say it feels differently, for Starcraft it does not matter. However G-Pro has a stiff braided cable which would drag the mouse on the table and you don't want that. So I don't see any reasons to buy G-Pro over G102/G203 coz it's more expensive. Again aim for 800-1200 DPI (no acceleration) depending on your screen resolution. If you have like 4K display adjust accordingly. There are plenty of people who use other mice but for BW they are the best IMHO. They are all small enough and lightweight. Keyboards IMHO you should feel the clicks of your keyboard to tell for sure whether you build the unit or not or assigned a control group. So if you go mechanical I would avoid MX-Red/MX-Black switches. They are not tactile. I would go with Topre/MX-Brown/MX-Blue/Logitech Romer-G switch. They are all tactile. However be careful with MX-Blue (aka Razer Green) coz they are very clicky and loud, could even slow you down at higher APM (not sure). Topre (45gram) is the best switch but pretty expensive. Membrane keyboards are not that bad. Koreans still use DT-35 and you can get them on eBay still pretty cheap. They have tactile feeling. Also take a look at SteelSeries Apex 100, it has one of the best membrane switches. I also prefer TKL keyboards coz they don't take much space and closer to your mouse, feel more natural. If you use your computer at work I would get a trackball or trackpad/touchpad or at least a weird shaped ergo mouse instead of a normal mouse so your hands could relax at work (wrists, joints, palm position) and when you come home to play Starcraft your hands would feel as good as new. Cheers! | ||
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angrypofke
Lithuania174 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/Lz9Oecj.jpg) Don't mind the left key... victim of rage lol | ||
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Glueburn
United States496 Posts
On July 17 2018 16:39 QuadroX wrote: Hi spx! I've tried tons of mice and keyboards over the year and my ultimate setup now is Cooler Master: NovaTouch TKL keyboard with Topre switches and ABKO Hacker A400 mouse. Can get them both on eBay. Mouse LMO way Almost all Korean pros were using Logitech Mini Optical Mouse (M-UV55A) which is just 400 DPI. It was perfectly fine for 640x480 brood war but for remastered the DPI is too low. So I bought some modern LMO clones with the same shape (FKminiv3, FKmini2, NKEY G007, ABKO A400, Teamwolf Archon). Out all of them A400 feels the best. It's glossy back reminds me of old Razer Diamondback, feels really nice and have DPI switch button adjustable with the drivers. I use 800-1000dpi depending on the monitor resolution (e.g. 800dpi for 1280x1024 or 1080p and 1000dpi for 1600x1200 or 1200p). For what it's worth, 400 DPI mice are still just fine with Brood War. I'm using a wheel mouse optical, and all I have to do to make sure it feels good is just check Mouse Scaling in the input settings, and then it feels like it always does. I'll probably check out the ABKO A400 though, nice recommendation. | ||
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HaN-
France1920 Posts
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Cheesefome
314 Posts
On July 14 2018 11:34 vaL4r wrote: ama Was your fkmini faulty? I hear the sensor is unstable. | ||
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krocan.cz
58 Posts
Im going to buy again Logitech MX 518, because they started making it again. Im happy. :D | ||
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MeSaber
Sweden1235 Posts
Mine are G305 + Noppo Choc Mini. Edit: https://on-winning.com/flawless-sensor-mouse-list-perfect/ Not the most up to date but you get the drift which sensors are good and not. I bet whatever mouse you are looking at google/youtube has the answer if its flawless or not. | ||
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radley
Poland582 Posts
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/2O4HQkj.jpg) I personally use the classic QSENN SEM-DT35, and Razer Abyssus v2 for the mouse. I'm not too familiar with specific tech attributes of mechanical keyboards etc., but I have loved this setup for years and honestly wouldn't switch for anything else I've tried. If I had to get a mechanical keyboard though I would probably go with red/brown switches purely based on experience (with BW specifically) (sorry for the terrible image  ) | ||
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mythikdawn
United States25 Posts
As for mice, I'm not super picky on them, but I currently use a Corsair Scimitar RGB (with the 12 buttons on the side). Having the extra buttons is super nice for using control groups 7-9, as well as having camera locations for bases after the fourth, among some other uses. I think it's a relatively heavy mouse (147 grams), but I really like the weight of it - I play a lot of FPS games with a huge mousepad and low DPI, and the weight of the mouse feels really good for both SC2 and CSGO. But, at the end of the day, it's all about preference. For mice, just determine whether you like heavier, or lighter, and shop according to that parameter. For keyboards, switch types are all preference and there isn't a switch that's necessarily "better" than the other. Find a switch you like and go from there. I do recommend the Leopold board though, quite highly, and I'm sure most pros that use it would recommend it as well. Edit - just realized this was in the BW section and not the SC2 section but I think most of this is still relevant to BW. | ||
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FrankJovine
Sierra Leone2 Posts
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HaN-
France1920 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/0GJeWet.jpg) I just replaced my 3 years old Logitech G513 (Romer-G) with a Ducky Channel One 2 Horizon (Cherry MX Brown). The G513 was pretty good but the 1 and 2 keys kept breaking when playing BW. I considered other brands like Leopold, Niz (Plum) or WASD keyboards but it was too complicated (switching it from Qwerty to Azerty) and expensive (shipping cost to France) so I went for one of the last Ducky model still available in France. I heard a lot of good things from Ducky and I must say so far I'm very happy with it. It feels super solid and I like how I can raise the back much more than I could on the G513. | ||
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1168 Posts
On February 27 2022 21:49 HaN- wrote: I just replaced my 3 years old Logitech G513 (Romer-G) with a Ducky Channel One 2 Horizon (Cherry MX Brown). The G513 was pretty good but the 1 and 2 keys kept breaking when playing BW. I considered other brands like Leopold, Niz (Plum) or WASD keyboards but it was too complicated (switching it from Qwerty to Azerty) and expensive (shipping cost to France) so I went for one of the last Ducky model still available in France. I heard a lot of good things from Ducky and I must say so far I'm very happy with it. It feels super solid and I like how I can raise the back much more than I could on the G513. I'm waiting for about 5 months to get a One 3 mini from ducky, unfortunately - not yet available in Europe :/ I got Ducky shine 7 with silent red switches and I won't replace it for anything... Overall Ducky keyboards are a level above the usual 'premium gaming' brands like razer, SS, glorious, logitech, etc. And are on par with Leopold that got so popular in the last few years. You are in for at least a decade of cool gaming experience thanks to this keyboard! | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26223 Posts
On November 01 2019 06:49 radley wrote: If bigger price is not a problem I would recommend to try logitech g pro as many suggested, but in wireless version. I think it was first mouse with logitech lightspeed technology, which generally makes mouse reaction similar to cord ones. So you dont need any always frustrating me bungies for mouse cord. It is also fast chargable and lasts about 50 hours if you dont use rgb lighting. You can use mouse with usb cord when charging. And its ultra light. Like really I have never had in my hand mouse with so small weight. But of course you can adjust weight as in all top gaming mouses. For me it was number one when i bought it about year ago, at least for people who like claw grip and small shape mice. There are probably several newer mice with lightspeed tech from logitech and I think there were plans for newer version of HERO sensor so there can be better options now on market. It’s really good, I find that it’s wireless makes it move smoother and lighter than a cabled one. My only complaint is for gaming it’s not the best fit for my hand, but this is more an issue with FPS games (I’ll alter my grip depending on what I’m trying to do) The dream for me is a G9X in wireless form, maybe with a slight tweak to the side button. | ||
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ASad2
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KameZerg
Sweden1767 Posts
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Ikirouta
Finland738 Posts
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MeSaber
Sweden1235 Posts
On November 25 2023 22:08 KameZerg wrote: Logitech needs to re-release the logitech g1 or g100s. The g203 is basically it but its not quite the same. Those mices were really bad. In modern era you expect a flawless sensor (no smoothing or other prediction corrections). If im not mistaken G305 (that im using) uses this shape, is flawless, wireless, low latency, lightweight and cheap. | ||
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ffswowsucks
Greece2297 Posts
On November 26 2023 15:28 MeSaber wrote: Those mices were really bad. In modern era you expect a flawless sensor (no smoothing or other prediction corrections). If im not mistaken G305 (that im using) uses this shape, is flawless, wireless, low latency, lightweight and cheap. No. I have a G1 and its a perfect mouse for SC:BW. But nowadays I ve been using the G502X wireless and logitech's wireless is so so so good its as if its cabled and its one of the best mice ive used. To get an idea which mice I used to use alot back in the days my fav one was the microsoft intellimouse 3.0A / G1 for SC and later the razer deathadder. | ||
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MeSaber
Sweden1235 Posts
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oxKnu
1240 Posts
![[image loading]](https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/8d8jiTq3vopuv8rGsbksPE.jpg) It's quite light (with only one AAA battery) and has a decent shape (less eggy than the Logitech G Pro). One noticeable thing it's shorter than the G Pro, so moving your screen in widescreen is perhaps the easiest out of any mouse out there. Performance is the same with G Pro wireless. I find the maneuverability of it to be much better than the G-Pro with the same latency performance. | ||
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llIH
Norway2144 Posts
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MeSaber
Sweden1235 Posts
On November 26 2023 20:44 oxKnu wrote: You guys need to try Razer Orochi v2: It's quite light (with only one AAA battery) and has a decent shape (less eggy than the Logitech G Pro). One noticeable thing it's shorter than the G Pro, so moving your screen in widescreen is perhaps the easiest out of any mouse out there. Performance is the same with G Pro wireless. I find the maneuverability of it to be much better than the G-Pro with the same latency performance. Seems like an ok mouse but my question would be razer software, is it needed or not, hopefully not. For logitech you set what you want then add to on-board memory then uninstall software. Its also a smaller mouse than G305 and thats already 'small'. He also mentions there is no extension cable, i myself with G305 doesnt use an extension cable and i have no signal issues that i can notice, so questionable if its really needed. | ||
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oxKnu
1240 Posts
On November 26 2023 21:24 MeSaber wrote: Seems like an ok mouse but my question would be razer software, is it needed or not, hopefully not. For logitech you set what you want then add to on-board memory then uninstall software. Its also a smaller mouse than G305 and thats already 'small'. He also mentions there is no extension cable, i myself with G305 doesnt use an extension cable and i have no signal issues that i can notice, so questionable if its really needed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jABHOaQNMQ To be honest I don't know if it's needed or not. The Razer software seems less intrusive than the Logitech one. Extension cable for what? It's a wireless mouse and it works with no issues. (one meter distance tested) The G Pro is slim but when it comes to length it's actually a normal mouse. This Razer is a bit bumpier, doesn't have the annoying egg-shape and is shorter. Very reminiscent in shape of those Microsoft office mice, except good. | ||
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TT1
Canada10012 Posts
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