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On December 28 2017 14:51 BigFan wrote:
^ That game is extremely entertaining, must watch imo!
Personally, I've always thought that 1-1-1 is one of the most fun builds to play. So many branches to choose from and we all know valks are a cool unit as well so that's a huge plus! :D
Yes BigFan - but , as you can see, the best terran can't pull this off ~ it is very hard if the zerg opponent is good
And Flash manages to kill third zerg expo
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Great article with a nod to the great oov.
Would like to see more of this build. Dont wanna take anything away from Ssak, but Flash imo will determine whether this can actually be a standard build in TvZ. If he can't make this work or doesnt use it then it probably has a flaw and/or is sub-optimal in some shape or form.
Edit: just watched the oov vs zero game... God I miss bunkie 
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On December 28 2017 13:12 BLinD-RawR wrote:more proof that qikz has SKT in his blood
SKQikz #qikzwall
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Wonderful piece to read. I've seen a lot of that build on stream recently. Seems difficult to pull off though. Definitely going to check out that Flash video.
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What's a "government name"?
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United Kingdom11061 Posts
What a wonderful article about one of the most fun builds in the game.
Oov <3
FanTaSy <3
sSak <3
SKT Terrans are the greatest. Thank you oov for leaving your legacy behind in the younger players!
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Waching that oov game game me chills. Great write-up! Thank You
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Flash beat SoulKey twice in one of his youtube videos. However, it was a very risky build and at times it looked like he was in trouble. I'm noticing Zergs going Hydra busts and either a Muta follow up or Hydra/lurk drop afterwards.
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This is a refreshing meaty and entertaining article, which is often lacking on most fluff ones we read here.
Thanks to the writers, great job!
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Best article I've read in a while. Please write more, especially about other interesting terran builds.
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Wonderful article. Great explanation of the history of one of the more exciting builds in starcraft. When I read this I think of all the strats with a small number of specialized units that Fantasy used to come up with. He and Oov must have worked really well together.
Happy 5000 posts to me!
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On December 28 2017 15:01 prosatan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2017 14:51 BigFan wrote:
^ That game is extremely entertaining, must watch imo!
Personally, I've always thought that 1-1-1 is one of the most fun builds to play. So many branches to choose from and we all know valks are a cool unit as well so that's a huge plus! :D Yes BigFan - but , as you can see, the best terran can't pull this off ~ it is very hard if the zerg opponent is good And Flash manages to kill third zerg expo
i think flash screwed up the micro when defending vs the drops, this was holdable.
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I personally think if the late-mech build was designed with the intention to nullify the strength of defilers, the 1-1-1 build was designed with the intention to nullify the strength of mutalisks.
While it indeed is a viable alternative to the standard builds, I believe Light, who used the 1-1-1 build extensively during his professional career, said that anyone using this build should be aware of the fact that they can lose to a far inferior player while using this build order due to its unstable nature.
I used to think that using this build order was an admission of defeat of sorts, that these their godawful bionic players such as iloveoov or FanTaSy (back when these two had a really hard time defeating elite zerg players in a standard manner) were relying on cheap gimmicks to overcome their handicap, but after seeing mechanically sound terran players like Light make good usage out of this build, I became less salty with its success.
This article reminded how much I used to despise iloveoov, who I thought was an abomination sent to make Brood War all about optimization and abusive build orders. The number of mediocre terran players with absolutely zero talent who got an ego after copying iloveoov's manual for success was far too high for me. It was as if the man was trolling the other two races:
"See this build order? Now all these second-rate players who couldn't outplay anyone worth a damn will now be unbearably infatuated with the idea that they are now somehow talented at the game, as if opening and copying a replay of mine makes my smart ideas theirs by default."
The most infuriating thing about iloveoov is that he even helped the advancement of protoss build orders by playing a huge role in the development of the T1 build (build order optimization in the protoss-versus-terran match-up), but basically did nothing but make life hell for the zerg player pool whilst providing absolutely no antidotes for his supremely gay build orders. By far the most frustrating player of all-time as far as I was concerned, and probably the greatest genius of the game of all-time. In an alternative timeline, it would have been interesting to see his ideas for the zerg race, as he was quite proficient with it during his amateur years.
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There needs to be a like button for posts here. I'd definitely click it for this article 
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Ohhhh man what an amazing article!
Oov was truly a phenomenon, I was always cheering for him. He also had a really kind way about him, and showed a lot of respect to all other players. This article is so good, I hope he reads it
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Norway24929 Posts
I've been loving playing against this lately and I run into it a lot when playing random in ladder.
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On December 28 2017 10:15 JuNe-TrEe wrote:
it reminds me of the sair style of toss openings
This is exactly what I was thinking. Did the sair openings come out before or after this build? I'm sure one must have inspired the other. Although it's safer for terran because they can make walls easier
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great article, its great to read about bw =)
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On December 28 2017 23:39 Letmelose wrote:
I personally think if the late-mech build was designed with the intention to nullify the strength of defilers, the 1-1-1 build was designed with the intention to nullify the strength of mutalisks.
While it indeed is a viable alternative to the standard builds, I believe Light, who used the 1-1-1 build extensively during his professional career, said that anyone using this build should be aware of the fact that they can lose to a far inferior player while using this build order due to its unstable nature.
I used to think that using this build order was an admission of defeat of sorts, that these their godawful bionic players such as iloveoov or FanTaSy (back when these two had a really hard time defeating elite zerg players in a standard manner) were relying on cheap gimmicks to overcome their handicap, but after seeing mechanically sound terran players like Light make good usage out of this build, I became less salty with its success.
This article reminded how much I used to despise iloveoov, who I thought was an abomination sent to make Brood War all about optimization and abusive build orders. The number of mediocre terran players with absolutely zero talent who got an ego after copying iloveoov's manual for success was far too high for me. It was as if the man was trolling the other two races:
"See this build order? Now all these second-rate players who couldn't outplay anyone worth a damn will now be unbearably infatuated with the idea that they are now somehow talented at the game, as if opening and copying a replay of mine makes my smart ideas theirs by default."
The most infuriating thing about iloveoov is that he even helped the advancement of protoss build orders by playing a huge role in the development of the T1 build (build order optimization in the protoss-versus-terran match-up), but basically did nothing but make life hell for the zerg player pool whilst providing absolutely no antidotes for his supremely gay build orders. By far the most frustrating player of all-time as far as I was concerned, and probably the greatest genius of the game of all-time. In an alternative timeline, it would have been interesting to see his ideas for the zerg race, as he was quite proficient with it during his amateur years.
What's the T1 PvT build? I've heard of it before but never seen the specifics.
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The knowledge of the history and strategy of BW that you TL writers have is amazing. An awesome read, thanks for writing.
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