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On September 15 2017 21:16 Golgotha wrote:
is outsider bad or should I keep it in? I have so far vetoed arcadia, nostalgia, and python based on what folks said here. outsider also looks funky though so Im not sure
I don't like it, but I also don't play it a lot (I do not have it vetoed). It's far better than Arcadia, Nolstalgia and Python imo though.
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Norway28727 Posts
Outsider is different, but a really good map. Games tend to play out in a different manner, more scrappy, more harassment and drops, less focus on macro and big army control. I really recommend keeping it in. There are some balance issues but honestly that's not all that significant on a lower level.
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United Kingdom12024 Posts
On September 16 2017 00:45 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Outsider is different, but a really good map. Games tend to play out in a different manner, more scrappy, more harassment and drops, less focus on macro and big army control. I really recommend keeping it in. There are some balance issues but honestly that's not all that significant on a lower level.
I'd like it if they shifted the map pool around every 2 weeks or so. No need to keep one map in all the time!
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I think that every 2 weeks is way too often... I wouldn't even get to really enjoy the maps and learn them before they are changed. 1 month would be better. Or maybe I should just play more... :D
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Norway28727 Posts
Shifting the map pool around would be great. Could even keep FB and CB semi-permanently (I assume they are vetoed significantly less than the rest). Could just make the pot bigger also, like make it 12 maps and give 6 veto or whatever.
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Trading two out every quarter seems like a good pace. Regardless, I just hope they DO keep it fresh.
And nonstandard maps are good too. Give me some Blue Storm, Monty Hall, or Baekmagoji (or new, better equivalents, perhaps even Skull Desert).
Just as long as they actually do keep things moving rather than destroying the game. I know Blizz is addicted to that so I hope they can hold off the urge.
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United Kingdom12024 Posts
All I want is more maps. I'm getting bored of the ladder maps now (and most of them I've been bored with for a while) 
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I'm down for shifting the map pool. Was it iccup that made it more pts when you played on the map of the week? that was the only thing that ever got me not to play luna every game back in the day LOL
edit - i guess that wouldnt work since we dont pick which to play on. Either way I'm down for some variety in there.
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On September 16 2017 01:24 Qikz wrote:All I want is more maps. I'm getting bored of the ladder maps now (and most of them I've been bored with for a while)
I'd be fine with 10 maps at a time, but also give 4 "less often" choices then imo.
Learning maps isn't exactly trivial. I hate Nostalgia with a passion but I don't veto any because I'm a glutton for punishment. I can see how it would greatly affect people's enjoyment though.
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I wish they'd add more maps (and more vetoes) as well. I would love to have the ASL map pool added. I wouldn't mind playing Gold Rush, the other map, FS and CB only. Those 4 maps would be a good rotation for me. I hate most of the current map pool (I like FS and CB only).
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bring back Gorky Island ^^
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I would rather play Outsider than Python.
Python is an unholy relic from the past where it deserves to rest.
Outsider is a crazy map!!
Just accept you're playing a crazy map and don't play atypically.
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United States10253 Posts
On September 16 2017 00:49 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2017 00:45 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Outsider is different, but a really good map. Games tend to play out in a different manner, more scrappy, more harassment and drops, less focus on macro and big army control. I really recommend keeping it in. There are some balance issues but honestly that's not all that significant on a lower level. I'd like it if they shifted the map pool around every 2 weeks or so. No need to keep one map in all the time!
lol 2 weeks. far too early, and some people dont even play the game for a period of 2 weeks due to busy lives.
id say once every 3 months is fine or even 2 months is ok. but wtf 2 weeks lol
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Wish they changed the map pool a bit more often, so many great old and new maps to choose from. Getting a bit bored with Fighting Spirit.
On a side note, how do you guys feel about the ladder and point system?
I would prefer a simpler system with +100 or +130 (map of the week) for a win and -50 for a loss.
Winning a game for +10 +15 points and losing the exact same the game after does not really motivate mass gaming in my opinion. And it can be even worse, I just spent a 20 min game (which was fun though) for +6 points. Sorry just need to rant ^^ But some changes are necessary in my opinion if Blizzard wants to keep the community active and entertained.
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I'm too bad to even figure out how to play Outsider and its just bad for protoss. I currently have Outsider, Python and Arcadia banned. I would love if there was a semi permanent 5 map pool for the season and a 6th map that changed every week or two. Also I was surprised that there was no Destination in the first pool, its a legendary map to not be included along with FS and CB
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They should have added a 2 player map like Desti, Blue Storm or Match Point. Would have been nice to see Medusa as well.
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On September 16 2017 04:43 Power[Xp] wrote:
Wish they changed the map pool a bit more often, so many great old and new maps to choose from. Getting a bit bored with Fighting Spirit.
On a side note, how do you guys feel about the ladder and point system?
I would prefer a simpler system with +100 or +130 (map of the week) for a win and -50 for a loss.
Winning a game for +10 +15 points and losing the exact same the game after does not really motivate mass gaming in my opinion. And it can be even worse, I just spent a 20 min game (which was fun though) for +6 points. Sorry just need to rant ^^ But some changes are necessary in my opinion if Blizzard wants to keep the community active and entertained.
I disagree, because this is a system that makes it so that if you are not mass gaming, it will take a long time to reach where you get consistently matched against players of equal skill level. This coupled with resets every 3 months is what got me bored of iccup. I have more fun mass gaming personally if the system just gives me good matches and.. awards fairly without bugs^^
like in your example, if you gain +6 points with this MMR system it seems equal skill gives you like 20 points or so for a win, so +6 means your opponent has quite a bit lower MMR. In theory it is not too tough a win for you to take, but in practice since the MMR is bugged and keeps waving up and down abnormally, maybe your opponent is actually of nearly equal skill you take a tough game and only get 6 points now its annoying
I think the MMR system is much better than that, but currently MMR just keep going up and down because games are counted double irregularly or smtg like that, so it really doesnt work as well as it should. #1 thing missing for me is just fixes to the bugs in the match counting stuff. I think probably, MMR represent different level of skill from a server to another, so with global matchmaking it maybe makes a trouble because you only get matched global when you are higher it seems? so it makes point distance after a threshold maybe
but yeah I think smtg like 2 month for a map pool, sounds pretty nice, maybe even 3 months, not alienate if you stop playing for a week or two, and time enough to try lot of things and really learn from each map rather than always trying to learn maps lol
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thanks bros, i kept in outsider and watched some pro games on it. seems alright! I've been drugged on FS for far too long, feels good to play games on something else other than FS. FS is like crack
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On September 16 2017 07:12 TT1 wrote:
They should have added a 2 player map like Desti, Blue Storm or Match Point. Would have been nice to see Medusa as well.
I hope either Blue Storm or Medusa make it into the next map pool. Love those maps ^^
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On September 16 2017 00:45 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Outsider is different, but a really good map. Games tend to play out in a different manner, more scrappy, more harassment and drops, less focus on macro and big army control. I really recommend keeping it in. There are some balance issues but honestly that's not all that significant on a lower level.
If you increase the map size, and especially if you increase the vetoe amount relative to the map pool, you get longer wait times. I don't think you should be able to vetoe 50% of the map pool.
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