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Tchado
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Jordan1831 Posts
July 01 2017 06:57 GMT
#261
On July 01 2017 14:31 riotjune wrote:
You know what I can buy with $15? Three Big Macs and a large coke.


damn.....that does sound good right now......
Little-Chimp
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada948 Posts
July 01 2017 07:43 GMT
#262
On July 01 2017 11:04 Dazed. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2017 10:47 ROOTFayth wrote:
It's a good thing remastered is required for ladder, if I was blizzard and wanted to make moneys I'd do the same thing obviously, it's a business decision, it's also totally going to be worth the 15$

hell I'd pay 15$ only for automatch making without anything else new
Well thats a frankly ridiculous tact to take, and if more people looked at games like that, we would be force fed shit on a regular basis and never get a good game.

No company is owed my support or my gratitude, unless they make something I'm actually grateful for. Which, at this point, is up in air. Blizzard is not my friend, they are not my buddy, I owe them nothing. If their product is shite, or they lied about what they were intending, or whatever, I'm not going to give them any leeway, because why would I?

This mcdonalds burger tastes like ass! But mcdonalds needs my support...what?

You either give me a product I want, or you dont and your irrelevant to me. Thats how the market works. Worse than that however, they could be giving us a product that destroys a pre-existing product! Thats not just a bad tasting burger, thats something far worse.


Then don't buy it lol

I think it's a sick deal and matchmaking is by far my favorite aspect about it.
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
July 01 2017 13:34 GMT
#263
$15 is fking peanuts. god bless blizz.
Tchado
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Jordan1831 Posts
July 01 2017 15:02 GMT
#264
On July 01 2017 08:15 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2017 07:10 Cele wrote:
On July 01 2017 05:10 danielias wrote:
On June 30 2017 21:59 raff100 wrote:
On June 30 2017 20:52 danielias wrote:
$15 and you complain? You are demanding so much...I hate such clients. If you dont like it dont play it, simple. Go cry under your bed

Do you realize that people are not against the 15 $ price of remastered,but against the fake promises of Blizzard employers who said that Matchmaking was going to be free?


You dont understand how bussiness works. Sometimes you have to make changes/adjust along the way.

Can you be more grateful? They need support too.


it's a multi-billion dollar company. They don't give a c*** about your support, they just want you to buy the product.


Earnings are broken down by product, and the success of a product determines the direction and approach that future products will take. Saying "it's a multibillion dollar company" is a cop-out because resources and funding aren't fungible in that way. They don't just throw a million dollars to this team or that team on a whim. Game development is a very strict process of return on investment. The vision-holder needs his pitch backed up by reliable metrics and evidence or it won't get funded.

I've been in various roles of game development ranging from QA to Production for 15 years, and I've learned there are three universal quality metrics: revenue (how well your game is doing financially), retention (how regular is your playerbase over time), and perception (how well received your game is). You can have high revenue, but with poor retention and perception (it's not fun so the playerbase dwindles, or it feels like a cash grab) that revenue stream won't last. You can have good retention, but with poor revenue and perception (your game is engaging, but buggy or with a poorly-tuned economy) players will eventually get fed up and negative word-of-mouth will stop new players from coming in. You can have good perception, but with poor revenue and retention (your game is maybe visually appealing but lacks depth, or is well-balanced but lacks content) it won't be able to stay afloat.

In order for SC:R to get greenlit, the PM had to make a case that yes, it will be a profitable venture because we have this huge playerbase in Korea, there's a groundswell of support for BW rising again, we can modernize it with all these features. We expect to move X units over Y time at Z price with a development cycle of 18 months, therefore it will be profitable.

Maybe since the release of 1.18 they ran some more simulations over the demand of SC:R and determined that the X units they initially projected was now only going to be 0.8X, so they had to increase the value of the Remaster product by moving matchmaking exclusively to that in order to hit their numbers. I don't know. But it's absolutely imperative that the playerbase supports the development team (not just the developer) if the product is going to succeed. If SC:R hits 2X or 3X its initial projection, that's going to ripple out to other teams that SC:R's approach was a little different, and this is what worked for them and what the players like the most, therefore this is something we could apply to other projects.


Best post on TL , hands down !

I really hope SC:R works out and becomes a great profitable product , because if it does I'm sure in a couple of years Wc3:R will follow
Tchado
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Jordan1831 Posts
July 01 2017 15:12 GMT
#265
and regarding the MM issue , I dont believe MM is the real selling point as some claim here, its a big one no doubt but not the main thing , Im a casual BW fan who only started watching in 2010 alongside sc2 , I utterly suck at BW , I dropped the 15 $ because I wanna relive that epic campaign again in modern graphics on my modern PC and I think 15$ is totally worth it , if I ever feel like giving up on Wc3 or DoW 3 I might give BW:R MM a shot+ Show Spoiler +
who am I kidding ? that ain't happening anytime soon XD
, I may be a minority voice on this forum but it is something to consider , Im sure there are many like me.
Poly_Optimize
Profile Joined March 2016
Canada156 Posts
July 01 2017 15:32 GMT
#266
15$ is the perfect price. I dont think blizzard really want new players.. they probably just want old school players to spend a few buck. The players are probably all 30 years old+ so they dont have a lot of time to play an old game. So if it was 40$ and more, they might find the price too expensive and just pass. But 15$ is quite cheap and almost everybody will just say why the fuck not! Blizzard will earn more money by selling more copies at a lower price instead of less copies at higher price! I will pre-order it! For auir
MymSlorm
Profile Joined May 2017
Chile187 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-01 17:00:15
July 01 2017 16:57 GMT
#267


has somebody saw this? This guys says that Gorush was invited to play the game this week, and Gorush stated that Blizzard has only revealed 1080p. When you upgrade it to 4K(Pressing F7), the graphics get enhanced, there are better ligth and shadows, aditional glow effects, there is water animations, etc.
"There will always be a new generation of youth, they will be more beautiful, more vigorous, and they shall inspire greater hope for the future in the hearts of the living"
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17411 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-01 18:02:08
July 01 2017 17:28 GMT
#268
On July 01 2017 08:15 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Earnings are broken down by product, and the success of a product determines the direction and approach that future products will take. Saying "it's a multibillion dollar company" is a cop-out because resources and funding aren't fungible in that way. They don't just throw a million dollars to this team or that team on a whim. Game development is a very strict process of return on investment. The vision-holder needs his pitch backed up by reliable metrics and evidence or it won't get funded.

financing of entertainment software development goes through the same process as any other form consumer used software. how much money will it make?

the guys at the top like to keep their chests puffed out and talk big about how important every nickel is... its their way of making sure everyone below them takes everything super seriously. they need to people in the middle and at the bottom to believe its a very strict process and every month and every quarter is "do or die" for the project.

their "metrics" and "projections" are just guesses. these MBAs want you to think that they have everything mapped out correctly so that you'll do the project on-time and on-budget; when their GUESSES of sales turn out correct the ground level development staff gets a nice big bonus. when their GUESSES are wrong they point fingers in every direction and you get fuck all for a bonus.

One of the products a consultancy (i work at part time) sells is called "Project Rescue". The guys doing "Project Rescue" just move from one disaster to the next. Time and again big-name, big-talk, tough-ass executives fund the re-doing of a project 2, 3,4 or more times. They do this with their chests puffed out, shoulders wide... while wearing a $2,000 suit. Listening to Blizzard's history it sounds like they re-do projects all the time..i think the code word is "iterative process"

i could start a puppy farm with the amount of dog fucking i've seen in software projects over the last 7 years.
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JWD[9]
Profile Blog Joined November 2015
364 Posts
July 01 2017 17:45 GMT
#269
On July 02 2017 01:57 MymSlorm wrote:
has somebody saw this? This guys says that Gorush was invited to play the game this week, and Gorush stated that Blizzard has only revealed 1080p. When you upgrade it to 4K(Pressing F7), the graphics get enhanced, there are better ligth and shadows, aditional glow effects, there is water animations, etc.


When a 20 year old game is the best reason to upgrade, that's funny and sad.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-01 19:06:15
July 01 2017 19:00 GMT
#270
I love how terrible the Protoss UI looks, and how bad the flying shoulder pads in the marine death animation looks. It's as if it was an indie project remaster, like a small team of 3 guys, and they all had a go at the animations. The probably spent more on the marketing than the actual programmming and art assets. $15 is cheap compared to sc2 but expensive compared to what is effectively an indie project that will sell millions. At least the visual problems with zergling animations are gone now. Buildings in particular look great. So do the more mechanical units like goliaths. One of the you tube vidoes have some wierdness with dark swarm though.
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
July 01 2017 19:13 GMT
#271
On July 01 2017 11:04 Dazed. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2017 10:47 ROOTFayth wrote:
It's a good thing remastered is required for ladder, if I was blizzard and wanted to make moneys I'd do the same thing obviously, it's a business decision, it's also totally going to be worth the 15$

hell I'd pay 15$ only for automatch making without anything else new
Well thats a frankly ridiculous tact to take, and if more people looked at games like that, we would be force fed shit on a regular basis and never get a good game.

No company is owed my support or my gratitude, unless they make something I'm actually grateful for. Which, at this point, is up in air. Blizzard is not my friend, they are not my buddy, I owe them nothing. If their product is shite, or they lied about what they were intending, or whatever, I'm not going to give them any leeway, because why would I?

This mcdonalds burger tastes like ass! But mcdonalds needs my support...what?

You either give me a product I want, or you dont and your irrelevant to me. Thats how the market works. Worse than that however, they could be giving us a product that destroys a pre-existing product! Thats not just a bad tasting burger, thats something far worse.

well to me the new product isn't the HD quality, it's the auto match making with a leaderboard, everything else I don't really care for but it will bring in some players which is also what we want
IShowUMagic
Profile Joined August 2010
United States104 Posts
July 01 2017 19:28 GMT
#272
On July 01 2017 11:04 Dazed. wrote:
You either give me a product I want, or you dont and your irrelevant to me. Thats how the market works.


So you really don't think matchmaking, profiles with stats, widescreen, custom hotkeys and a refreshed playerbase are worth a measly $15? Not even including the other upgrades, I'd easily pay $50 for that. Why is it that you get off so much on holding out on paying such a small amount of money and talking shit about blizzard? Like you said, they're offering you a product at a price. Buy it or don't, get off of your high horse and stop acting like the big mean man did something to you that warrants outrage.
ShambhalaWar
Profile Joined August 2013
United States930 Posts
July 01 2017 22:56 GMT
#273
On June 30 2017 13:11 thedeadhaji wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2017 12:55 ShambhalaWar wrote:
On June 30 2017 10:27 thedeadhaji wrote:
O_o Windows only.


The main page literally says mac right next to pc XD


They definitely updated that page since the time I looked at it (actually layout looks very different from the version I saw). There was only a Windows logo that was substantially larger and in blue, not white and next to the Mac logo. I guess they caught their error quickly (glad it was just a clerical error!)


Me too, I play on mac
MymSlorm
Profile Joined May 2017
Chile187 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-02 00:16:24
July 02 2017 00:15 GMT
#274
On July 02 2017 02:45 JWD[9] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2017 01:57 MymSlorm wrote:
has somebody saw this? This guys says that Gorush was invited to play the game this week, and Gorush stated that Blizzard has only revealed 1080p. When you upgrade it to 4K(Pressing F7), the graphics get enhanced, there are better ligth and shadows, aditional glow effects, there is water animations, etc.


When a 20 year old game is the best reason to upgrade, that's funny and sad.


the good thing is that i don't need to upgrade, i have a GTX 970. And i don't really think SC remastered is going to be too demanding of resources, i'm sure that with a 1050 or R7 260x is enough to run the game at 4K
"There will always be a new generation of youth, they will be more beautiful, more vigorous, and they shall inspire greater hope for the future in the hearts of the living"
franzji
Profile Joined September 2013
United States583 Posts
July 02 2017 00:42 GMT
#275
a thread of paragraphs of people complaining that the game that went free might not get the new matchmaking.

I know you guys might only play starcraft or free to play games, but some companies are releasing remasters for $40+ but I would say most are around $30, that's double the prices of sc:rm.
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4206 Posts
July 02 2017 23:36 GMT
#276
On July 01 2017 11:04 Dazed. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2017 10:47 ROOTFayth wrote:
It's a good thing remastered is required for ladder, if I was blizzard and wanted to make moneys I'd do the same thing obviously, it's a business decision, it's also totally going to be worth the 15$

hell I'd pay 15$ only for automatch making without anything else new
Well thats a frankly ridiculous tact to take, and if more people looked at games like that, we would be force fed shit on a regular basis and never get a good game.

No company is owed my support or my gratitude, unless they make something I'm actually grateful for. Which, at this point, is up in air. Blizzard is not my friend, they are not my buddy, I owe them nothing. If their product is shite, or they lied about what they were intending, or whatever, I'm not going to give them any leeway, because why would I?

This mcdonalds burger tastes like ass! But mcdonalds needs my support...what?

You either give me a product I want, or you dont and your irrelevant to me. Thats how the market works. Worse than that however, they could be giving us a product that destroys a pre-existing product! Thats not just a bad tasting burger, thats something far worse.

We already know its a great game. They made improvements on top of a great game we love by adding those features which are going to make the same game far more enjoyable for most enthusiasts.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
stevemachine17
Profile Joined April 2017
45 Posts
July 04 2017 03:33 GMT
#277
$15 - hell yeah I'm in!!
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10033 Posts
July 04 2017 04:22 GMT
#278
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/starcraft/topic/20757485677
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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12027 Posts
July 04 2017 06:07 GMT
#279
On July 04 2017 13:22 TT1 wrote:
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/starcraft/topic/20757485677


We want to encourage a healthy, competitive ecosystem for StarCraft, and this measure will limit griefing of new and lower-level players.


Although they didn't add this to that sentence it'll also add a higher barrier of entry to hackers.
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Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12240 Posts
July 04 2017 07:07 GMT
#280
On July 04 2017 13:22 TT1 wrote:
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/starcraft/topic/20757485677


Interesting that it wasn't a monetary decision (although I'm sure that doesn't hurt). Instead it's to mitigate smurfing.
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