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[Interview] ZerO draws himself! - Page 5

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Glider
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States1353 Posts
January 07 2017 23:03 GMT
#81
haha nice
lemmata
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
468 Posts
January 08 2017 06:41 GMT
#82
On January 08 2017 07:51 parkufarku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2017 07:00 lemmata wrote:
On January 05 2017 18:10 parkufarku wrote:
Q: It appears that TvZ has tilted too far in favor of Terran. How much of an advantage does Terran have these days? Why?

A: I think that there is no way to beat a good Terran as Zerg. This is mainly because good mutalisk micro just cannot beat good marine-medic micro. It is almost natural that this is the case since marines have longer range. I actually think that TvZ balance was worse back in the KeSPA era because everyone’s physical abilities were at their peaks. That was why leagues kept trotting out maps unfavorable to Terran in those days. I think that TvZ balance is actually okay these days because marine-medic micro is not as sharp as it used to be.

Thank you Zero. We always knew TvZ was vastly imbalanced matchup, especially in the Kespa days. Flash should be required to give back some of his awards.


When he says that TvZ balance was worse in the KeSPA days, I think that he is talking about a theoretical absolute balance rather than empirical relative balance. As he mentioned, leagues used maps to balance the matchups in practice. This means that even if the theoretical absolute balance was worse, Zerg still had a chance against good Terran thanks to maps evening things out. So I guess Flash can keep his awards?

When he says that TvZ balance is okay now, I think that he is saying that Zerg has a chance against good Terrans on more maps than before. This is evidenced by Terran pros who whine about Blue Storm and Tau Cross because of mutalisks (and, in the case of Tau Cross, also the difficulty of making the late mech switch).


There's no such thing as two different types of balance. Yes maps were used to help balance, but when that happens, you know one race is stronger than another, its a sign of admission. And the fact that a race can abuse a map more (cliffs on natural = death for Z / P) just meant that the race itself is inherently faulty and broken.

He's not saying TvZ is ok now, but he's saying it's bad, and it was even worse back in Kespa days (when Flash won his awards).

You can deny all you want, but Zero is right. A good Terran will not lose to a good Zerg unless he makes mistakes / gets heavily outplayed. It's too bad BW is decades old; Terran should've been nerfed but they never had good community feedback back then.


You only need a bit of imagination to conceive of different notions of balance. The adjectives I used make that clear. Which one is the more useful notion depends on your objective.

Analogy: You can theorize that a coin flip has 50% chance of coming up heads. You can flip the coin 200 times under various real-life conditions and observe 117 heads.

I do tend to agree with you that TvZ is pretty darn tough for Zerg though at the pro level.

However, ZerO definitely said that the balance was okay these days. It's in the interview. Okay doesn't mean great or even good, but it's better than bad, right? His feelings might be different if Fighting Spirit was still the default map for balloon matches. Thankfully, Fighting Spirit is no longer being played as much as it used to be in balloon matches.
Ruff_kz
Profile Joined August 2015
Kazakhstan36 Posts
January 08 2017 08:02 GMT
#83
On January 06 2017 11:59 XenOsky- wrote:
sucks you didn't ask about politics.

BigFan wanted to be polite! Talking about politics is ill-mannered! So please, XenOsky-, do not blame him.
"Keep on dreaming, boy, cause someday you will shine" (Ogogo).
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