EPTWho is that Iccup player..? - Page 4
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trutaCz
Poland686 Posts
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
On October 01 2016 00:27 trutaCz wrote: That's simple, people who play ICCup server have no idea about skill of fish players, so they're super excited about someone who just came from fish server, and own us foreigners players. Foreigner players are weak, that's it. Can it be really to the point no one can take a game from him? | ||
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LV_426
Poland436 Posts
You can see in the match list, none of those games were even close (judging from points) - you could argue with zvz, but still.. It would be pretty unlikely for C lvl zerg to get 100% win ratio with so many onesided games(not impossible, but less likely). | ||
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SuGo
United States681 Posts
On October 01 2016 02:29 LV_426 wrote: imo it has to be B+ lvl zerg (fish) - decent chance for pro/semi pro then.. You can see in the match list, none of those games were even close (judging from points) - you could argue with zvz, but still.. It would be pretty unlikely for C lvl zerg to get 100% win ratio with so many onesided games(not impossible, but less likely). People really need to stop speculating fish ranks. No one except a few who have posted here like trutacz/Scan/etc and such have any idea of what Fish really is... Most people posting here about "OH HE'S B FISH I BET!" don't even know how the system and skill over there even is. They're just saying these things based off what they've heard on iccup. A solid D-rank fish player can come here and get 90%+++ stats easily without batting an eye. Look, even Bonyth who is E/D on Fish got something along the lines of 120-15 last season. You think a legit D/C fish player can't do better? People who can maintain E rank on fish can get A+ here on iccup (and E rank on Fish isn't even really that good lol, it's just good for foreigners). The point is, foreigners suck, and MANY of these fish players can come here and do this. People are just too excited to see someone at 100% and just forget to realize, we as foreigners, are garbage compared to them. And that's all there is to it. It's probably just some random D (maybe C, but I don't doubt a solid D ranker from Fish can do this) ranker who is on a 3 weeks ip-ban from fish and is just here to wreak havoc until he gets unbanned. Anyways, my point is: Stop being so surprised. If you play any fish at all, you know that this is just how it is and that's how good these people are. Don't be shocked. | ||
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kogeT
Poland2042 Posts
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SuGo
United States681 Posts
On October 01 2016 04:02 kogeT wrote: I played vs C rank zergs and they were not even close that good. Probably weren't trying... This guy probably is actually trying because he wants to humiliate the foreigners and go 100%. I play people on fish all the time who are D/C and they play off race / chat with their followers on afreecaTV while in game / etc. Doesn't mean anything that you played one C rank and this was much different. My point is, the capability of a true D/C to come to iccup and do this is really no surprise and I hope people stop being so shocked. Just use bonyth's stats from last season as some context for you all. | ||
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kogeT
Poland2042 Posts
This guy has stated that he is max A rank on Fish and I don't have a reason to not to believe him. | ||
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LV_426
Poland436 Posts
On October 01 2016 04:09 ProtossGG wrote: Probably weren't trying... This guy probably is actually trying because he wants to humiliate the foreigners and go 100%. I play people on fish all the time who are D/C and they play off race / chat with their followers on afreecaTV while in game / etc. Doesn't mean anything that you played one C rank and this was much different. My point is, the capability of a true D/C to come to iccup and do this is really no surprise and I hope people stop being so shocked. Just use bonyth's stats from last season as some context for you all. Bonyth had 109-17 and that proves what? He was doing pretty well on fish anyway.. i watch fish streamers quite often and i can see difference between C/B/D players.. All of them are skilled enough to get top1 icc with 100% win ratio, but imo most likely this guy was B + | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On October 01 2016 04:35 LV_426 wrote: All of them are skilled enough to get top1 icc with 100% win ratio, but imo most likely this guy was B + That's called an opinion. Until someone does it, you cannot be sure. Note that I don't play or watch BW anymore, but my point stands. | ||
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B-royal
Belgium1330 Posts
The foreigners that go 100-10 in stats don't get this from playing people of their own level (obviously), they play against less skillful opponents (D-C-B ranks mainly). | ||
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SuGo
United States681 Posts
On October 01 2016 04:35 LV_426 wrote: Bonyth had 109-17 and that proves what? He was doing pretty well on fish anyway.. i watch fish streamers quite often and i can see difference between C/B/D players.. All of them are skilled enough to get top1 icc with 100% win ratio, but imo most likely this guy was B + It proves that someone like Bonyth who is E/D can get 90% type statistics on iccup.... You're telling me a TRUE D/C fish player which means that person is levels above Bonyth can't do better aka get 100% on icc? That is my point. None of this should be a shock to anyone. Also when you said you can "tell the difference between D/C/B" - I'm not trying to argue with you because I don't really care about this anymore; it's not shocking to me. But just know, unless you're a very high level player yourself, you can't easily distinguish at these levels lol. Even Scan posted earlier in here after watching one replay that the guy couldn't be B rank just based on his muta micro. Scan's opinion and analysis > yours, sorry. | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
On October 01 2016 04:02 kogeT wrote: I played vs C rank zergs and they were not even close that good. Uh... Current C rank isn't same as fish server previous ladder system.. I spent slightly more than 130 games to achieve C rank as zerg 80-50ish. Btw, I watched your VODs. I think you are max E rank terran with this current ladder system. | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
On October 01 2016 04:09 ProtossGG wrote: Probably weren't trying... This guy probably is actually trying because he wants to humiliate the foreigners and go 100%. I play people on fish all the time who are D/C and they play off race / chat with their followers on afreecaTV while in game / etc. Doesn't mean anything that you played one C rank and this was much different. My point is, the capability of a true D/C to come to iccup and do this is really no surprise and I hope people stop being so shocked. Just use bonyth's stats from last season as some context for you all. I'm one of them. Trying to get into a habit where I can read/communicate with viewers and play at the same time. :D Today, I saw trutacz is also trying to commentate his game while he's playing his game on his headset. | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
On October 01 2016 04:35 LV_426 wrote: Bonyth had 109-17 and that proves what? He was doing pretty well on fish anyway.. i watch fish streamers quite often and i can see difference between C/B/D players.. All of them are skilled enough to get top1 icc with 100% win ratio, but imo most likely this guy was B + I think dong222 is max C rank zerg to my eyes  | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
On October 01 2016 06:45 ProtossGG wrote: It proves that someone like Bonyth who is E/D can get 90% type statistics on iccup.... You're telling me a TRUE D/C fish player which means that person is levels above Bonyth can't do better aka get 100% on icc? That is my point. None of this should be a shock to anyone. Also when you said you can "tell the difference between D/C/B" - I'm not trying to argue with you because I don't really care about this anymore; it's not shocking to me. But just know, unless you're a very high level player yourself, you can't easily distinguish at these levels lol. Even Scan posted earlier in here after watching one replay that the guy couldn't be B rank just based on his muta micro. Scan's opinion and analysis > yours, sorry. Le last sentence.. Too much pressure on me :o :o :o | ||
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SuGo
United States681 Posts
On October 01 2016 06:58 LaStScan wrote: Le last sentence.. Too much pressure on me :o :o :o Well, I'm just trying to be logical here. That's all. I play Fish as well, I'm just an E rank player myself, not good, but good for foreigners, I guess. So I know the ropes and what goes on in Fish. I know that a D rank player can come to iccup and crush us all. That's why none of this is a surprise to me. Thanks for supporting my statements against these people | ||
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LV_426
Poland436 Posts
On October 01 2016 06:55 LaStScan wrote: I think dong222 is max C rank zerg to my eyes im confused, now ladder system is different? if he is C rank zerg right now, maybe he was B few months ago? or maybe he wasnt lying about his A max? (from like 2 years ago?) I saw foreigners hit B/C ranks, so its kinda confusing.. | ||
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Bonyth
Poland605 Posts
On October 01 2016 10:28 LV_426 wrote: im confused, now ladder system is different? if he is C rank zerg right now, maybe he was B few months ago? or maybe he wasnt lying about his A max? (from like 2 years ago?) I saw foreigners hit B/C ranks, so its kinda confusing.. The ladder system at Fish changed very slightly over the last years, not too significant changes. BUT, the biggest change is progamers returning to BW. Back in the day let's say it was amatours that were occupying top ladder spots, now obviously progamers are at top of the ladder. So foreigner who hit, let's say, B rank several months ago, now would have trouble getting C rank. Let's have a look at foreigners now. Trutacz is E/D (allthough he hit C but its not easy thing to maintain high rank), eon E/D (mostly D i think), Dewalt is E, Lancer E/F (mostly E). | ||
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abuse
Latvia1945 Posts
His profile description ingame says 'i never lose' And just look at his matchlist. He is playing against anyone. Not only top foreigners but also all the koreans that come into his scope. That is supreme confidence that he cant lose vs anyone. A random C player wouldnt have that. Not while playing vs koreans on iccup and not knowing who they really are. This guy doesnt care, he plays vs anyone. I think all our 'fish players' here who are saying he is a random person are ignorant and wrong. Hell, even from the reps and streams, there is no way to know that he is actually trying in his games and judging a person only by muta micro is stupid. Yes foreigners are way weaker than koreans but just cause we people here dont actually play on fish does not mean we have no brains and cant tell the approx rank of a player. Chances are we have seen more fish gameplay than you have. And while it might not be the case with scan, he is arrogant and his comments here are basically just saying that koget is not a good enough player to judge a players skill. I bet he didnt even watch more than 1-2 games. So his words are to be taken with a bucket of salt. Just because a C rank player can come to iccup and crush everyone does not mean every crusher who comes to iccup is c rank. | ||
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mca64Launcher_
Poland629 Posts
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