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result from todays stream?
Of course flash is losing a bunch. He just started playing again and he's been doing the same builds over and over which is predictable. Playing to improve and get skill back, not to win 
When Flash is fully back, he'll probably start doing builds that punish what his opponent is doing. Like he use to.
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United States2948 Posts
On March 20 2016 10:03 Foxxan wrote: Isnt the mechswitch a thing because sk-terran gets hardcountered by hydra/lurk/defiler in lategame? Many strong Terran players ( Last, Sea, Mind, etc) will often mech switch as soon as Zerg gets defilers (and usually that third base), so that could be in the 10-15mins range.
Basically the Terran will try a first bio wave of M&Ms and if it's turned back by mutas, zerglings, and perhaps lurkers, he might try another bio army with 2-3 tanks for one more push before going mech switch. Other times, the Terran may go mech-switch right after the first bio army fails, thus giving up on bio altogether. In this case, the Terran will tend to go mass vultures to set mines all around the exterior of the Zerg base to stall/defend while expanding and amassing mech units.
Of course there are always those who persist with SK Terran and dropships, like PianO, and they're very potent against Zerg, even with defilers/swarm
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On March 21 2016 05:55 sickkungen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2016 20:27 letian wrote:Flash needs to step up a little. Also please correct me, cause I am not sure about some players. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/pB4eFKG.png) Just looking at this post tells me that you are clueless about the korean BW scene :p Ladder rank means pretty much nothing in the top tiers of korean progamers since most of the games they play against eachother is off ladder. Anyone of these players can get #1 by spamming games playing non-pros/top amateurs and a few games vs other pros. The most significant indicator these stats has to give us is who practices the most. Yeah, kinda sucks being clueless 31 year old guy who was playing BW using a broken lan cable when Windows XP was the best PC OS and translating progamer interviews from Chinese for Russian web sites.
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On March 21 2016 06:16 StylishVODs wrote:result from todays stream? Of course flash is losing a bunch. He just started playing again and he's been doing the same builds over and over which is predictable. Playing to improve and get skill back, not to win  When Flash is fully back, he'll probably start doing builds that punish what his opponent is doing. Like he use to. He played a lot with free, today's score was 4:3. 6th game is a must watch, really sick although chat agreed that both of them played rather sloppy.
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i hated this kid for so long but now i'm really happy that hes back playing bw...
good luck Flash
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On March 21 2016 08:18 StylishVODs wrote: So anyone uploading? =)
im uploading them on dailymotion cos im not risking another one of my youtube channels getting deleted i havent uploading yesterdays stream yet ill do that tonight when i go to sleep
http://bit.ly/1UdheYl
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man Movie is still trying to beat Flash with cheese lol reminds me of that OSL series they played where Movie cheesed like 3 out of 4 games and went carriers in the other i think
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Dominican Republic626 Posts
On March 21 2016 21:04 CrayonPopChoa wrote: man Movie is still trying to beat Flash with cheese lol reminds me of that OSL series they played where Movie cheesed like 3 out of 4 games and went carriers in the other i think
i enjoy watching a programer playing vs unorthodox builds, i liked those games, so people can see that flash is beateble after all. BesT and Movie are giving flash a hard time on BW.
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Dominican Republic626 Posts
flash says something at the end of every match, what does it means?
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Best part of this last Flash stream is from 1:24:20 when tries to play rematch with Hero. :D
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Dominican Republic626 Posts
i dont know man, but Free plays so sloppy and carelessly
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On March 21 2016 21:56 SC2BF3Love wrote: flash says something at the end of every match, what does it means?
I think it's something like GG or something. When I was watching Effort and Flash play (both streams), right after the game ended they both said the same exact words.
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On March 21 2016 06:26 prech wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2016 10:03 Foxxan wrote: Isnt the mechswitch a thing because sk-terran gets hardcountered by hydra/lurk/defiler in lategame? Many strong Terran players (  Last,  Sea,  Mind, etc) will often mech switch as soon as Zerg gets defilers (and usually that third base), so that could be in the 10-15mins range. Basically the Terran will try a first bio wave of M&Ms and if it's turned back by mutas, zerglings, and perhaps lurkers, he might try another bio army with 2-3 tanks for one more push before going mech switch. Other times, the Terran may go mech-switch right after the first bio army fails, thus giving up on bio altogether. In this case, the Terran will tend to go mass vultures to set mines all around the exterior of the Zerg base to stall/defend while expanding and amassing mech units. Of course there are always those who persist with SK Terran and dropships, like  PianO, and they're very potent against Zerg, even with defilers/swarm How is this an answer to my question.
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On March 21 2016 23:41 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2016 21:56 SC2BF3Love wrote: flash says something at the end of every match, what does it means? I think it's something like GG or something. When I was watching Effort and Flash play (both streams), right after the game ended they both said the same exact words. You both are probably talking about "수고하셨습니다" or some variant of it which has the same effect as like saying GG at the end of a game. If you want to know more of the nuances behind it this might help http://www.scribd.com/doc/128780692/Talk-To-Me-In-Korean-Level-5-Lesson-3 . If you scroll down a little its the 2nd expression.
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On March 21 2016 23:51 Foxxan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2016 06:26 prech wrote:On March 20 2016 10:03 Foxxan wrote: Isnt the mechswitch a thing because sk-terran gets hardcountered by hydra/lurk/defiler in lategame? Many strong Terran players (  Last,  Sea,  Mind, etc) will often mech switch as soon as Zerg gets defilers (and usually that third base), so that could be in the 10-15mins range. Basically the Terran will try a first bio wave of M&Ms and if it's turned back by mutas, zerglings, and perhaps lurkers, he might try another bio army with 2-3 tanks for one more push before going mech switch. Other times, the Terran may go mech-switch right after the first bio army fails, thus giving up on bio altogether. In this case, the Terran will tend to go mass vultures to set mines all around the exterior of the Zerg base to stall/defend while expanding and amassing mech units. Of course there are always those who persist with SK Terran and dropships, like  PianO, and they're very potent against Zerg, even with defilers/swarm How is this an answer to my question. SK Terran is definitely not hard countered. That would imply that it always gets beaten, regardless of execution and micro, and that is just not true. Terms like hard counter should not be overused for things like this. With proper SK play you constantly harass and put pressure on the Zerg, while using all the gas you save by not making mech on creating a vessel cloud so you can irradiate the Zergs gas heavy units into oblivion. Sure, if you cannot poke a single hole in the Z defence, get any map control while Zerg is sitting comfortably on 4+ gas, throwing dark swarms in your natural, the game is over, but then you've simply been outplayed. SK is still a perfectly viable style, and it is not hard countered. It is however probably the most mechanically demanding thing a T can do, and Zergs have gotten so good defensively that it's simply easier, more solid and consistent to just switch to mech, split the map and abuse the true power of Terran; the defence.
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On March 21 2016 23:51 Foxxan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2016 06:26 prech wrote:On March 20 2016 10:03 Foxxan wrote: Isnt the mechswitch a thing because sk-terran gets hardcountered by hydra/lurk/defiler in lategame? Many strong Terran players (  Last,  Sea,  Mind, etc) will often mech switch as soon as Zerg gets defilers (and usually that third base), so that could be in the 10-15mins range. Basically the Terran will try a first bio wave of M&Ms and if it's turned back by mutas, zerglings, and perhaps lurkers, he might try another bio army with 2-3 tanks for one more push before going mech switch. Other times, the Terran may go mech-switch right after the first bio army fails, thus giving up on bio altogether. In this case, the Terran will tend to go mass vultures to set mines all around the exterior of the Zerg base to stall/defend while expanding and amassing mech units. Of course there are always those who persist with SK Terran and dropships, like  PianO, and they're very potent against Zerg, even with defilers/swarm How is this an answer to my question.
No, SK is fine vs Lurker/Defiler. Mech switch is a thing because of Ultralisks armor. Marines deal low dmg on a high rate of fire, which is a problem against high armor targets since the dmg reduction is calculated for each attack. This means that the number of bio units you'll need vs a Ultraling army is too high to be manageable, APM-wise.
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