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StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-20 21:17:53
March 20 2016 21:16 GMT
#1701
result from todays stream?

Of course flash is losing a bunch. He just started playing again and he's been doing the same builds over and over which is predictable. Playing to improve and get skill back, not to win

When Flash is fully back, he'll probably start doing builds that punish what his opponent is doing. Like he use to.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
prech
Profile Joined March 2014
United States2948 Posts
March 20 2016 21:26 GMT
#1702
On March 20 2016 10:03 Foxxan wrote:
Isnt the mechswitch a thing because sk-terran gets hardcountered by hydra/lurk/defiler in lategame?

Many strong Terran players (Last, Sea, Mind, etc) will often mech switch as soon as Zerg gets defilers (and usually that third base), so that could be in the 10-15mins range.

Basically the Terran will try a first bio wave of M&Ms and if it's turned back by mutas, zerglings, and perhaps lurkers, he might try another bio army with 2-3 tanks for one more push before going mech switch. Other times, the Terran may go mech-switch right after the first bio army fails, thus giving up on bio altogether. In this case, the Terran will tend to go mass vultures to set mines all around the exterior of the Zerg base to stall/defend while expanding and amassing mech units.

Of course there are always those who persist with SK Terran and dropships, like PianO, and they're very potent against Zerg, even with defilers/swarm
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letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-20 22:01:45
March 20 2016 21:55 GMT
#1703
On March 21 2016 05:55 sickkungen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2016 20:27 letian wrote:
Flash needs to step up a little.
Also please correct me, cause I am not sure about some players.

[image loading]


Just looking at this post tells me that you are clueless about the korean BW scene :p

Ladder rank means pretty much nothing in the top tiers of korean progamers since most of the games they play against eachother is off ladder. Anyone of these players can get #1 by spamming games playing non-pros/top amateurs and a few games vs other pros. The most significant indicator these stats has to give us is who practices the most.

Yeah, kinda sucks being clueless 31 year old guy who was playing BW using a broken lan cable when Windows XP was the best PC OS and translating progamer interviews from Chinese for Russian web sites.
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
March 20 2016 22:03 GMT
#1704
On March 21 2016 06:16 StylishVODs wrote:
result from todays stream?

Of course flash is losing a bunch. He just started playing again and he's been doing the same builds over and over which is predictable. Playing to improve and get skill back, not to win

When Flash is fully back, he'll probably start doing builds that punish what his opponent is doing. Like he use to.

He played a lot with free, today's score was 4:3.
6th game is a must watch, really sick although chat agreed that both of them played rather sloppy.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
March 20 2016 23:18 GMT
#1705
So anyone uploading? =)
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2356 Posts
March 21 2016 05:23 GMT
#1706
i hated this kid for so long but now i'm really happy that hes back playing bw...

good luck Flash
ἡ τῆς Νεμέσεως τάξις
Connor5620
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia207 Posts
March 21 2016 05:46 GMT
#1707
On March 21 2016 08:18 StylishVODs wrote:
So anyone uploading? =)


im uploading them on dailymotion cos im not risking another one of my youtube channels getting deleted
i havent uploading yesterdays stream yet ill do that tonight when i go to sleep

http://bit.ly/1UdheYl
My Starcraft Youtube > https://www.youtube.com/@HomeofStarCraft
mechpaul
Profile Joined March 2016
9 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-21 08:31:51
March 21 2016 05:50 GMT
#1708
Flash (T) vs Movie (P)
Flash (T) vs Movie (P)
Flash (T) vs Movie (P)
Flash (T) vs hero (Z)
Flash (T) vs hero (Z)
Flash (T) vs Free (P) (Game is incomplete? Can't find rest of game)
Flash (T) vs Free (P)
Flash (T) vs Free (P)
Flash (T) vs Free (P)
Flash (T) vs Free (P)
Flash (T) vs Free (P), Part 2 [RECOMMENDED]


CrayonPopChoa
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Canada761 Posts
March 21 2016 12:04 GMT
#1709
man Movie is still trying to beat Flash with cheese lol reminds me of that OSL series they played where Movie cheesed like 3 out of 4 games and went carriers in the other i think
BW4LIFE
BonitiilloO
Profile Joined June 2013
Dominican Republic627 Posts
March 21 2016 12:54 GMT
#1710
On March 21 2016 21:04 CrayonPopChoa wrote:
man Movie is still trying to beat Flash with cheese lol reminds me of that OSL series they played where Movie cheesed like 3 out of 4 games and went carriers in the other i think


i enjoy watching a programer playing vs unorthodox builds, i liked those games, so people can see that flash is beateble after all. BesT and Movie are giving flash a hard time on BW.
How may help u?
BonitiilloO
Profile Joined June 2013
Dominican Republic627 Posts
March 21 2016 12:56 GMT
#1711
flash says something at the end of every match, what does it means?
How may help u?
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2042 Posts
March 21 2016 13:29 GMT
#1712
20/3 Flash stream on his official channel [720p]
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2042 Posts
March 21 2016 13:36 GMT
#1713
Best part of this last Flash stream is from 1:24:20 when tries to play rematch with Hero. :D
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
BonitiilloO
Profile Joined June 2013
Dominican Republic627 Posts
March 21 2016 13:38 GMT
#1714
i dont know man, but Free plays so sloppy and carelessly
How may help u?
Scarbo
Profile Joined January 2012
294 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-21 14:02:19
March 21 2016 13:56 GMT
#1715
On March 20 2016 20:27 letian wrote:
(T)Flash needs to step up a little.
Also please correct me, cause I am not sure about some players.

[image loading]


Melverc, Hild, Ever)T(aShley and GoSu = (T)Last
noinsung = (T)Sea
TossOneTop = Shinee
fa1con, na1st = (P)Bisu
StarMaster, Eros_Light = (T)Light
(T)NsP_Sharp = (T)Sharp

nto'yerim2, eternal.pose and baker221d = couldn't ID.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Smurf/List

Flash is fine. If he played a BO7 vs any of those guys they'd be buried alive. Pros don't care about ladder rankings.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
March 21 2016 14:41 GMT
#1716
On March 21 2016 21:56 SC2BF3Love wrote:
flash says something at the end of every match, what does it means?


I think it's something like GG or something. When I was watching Effort and Flash play (both streams), right after the game ended they both said the same exact words.

When I think of something else, something will go here
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-21 14:52:28
March 21 2016 14:51 GMT
#1717
On March 21 2016 06:26 prech wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2016 10:03 Foxxan wrote:
Isnt the mechswitch a thing because sk-terran gets hardcountered by hydra/lurk/defiler in lategame?

Many strong Terran players (Last, Sea, Mind, etc) will often mech switch as soon as Zerg gets defilers (and usually that third base), so that could be in the 10-15mins range.

Basically the Terran will try a first bio wave of M&Ms and if it's turned back by mutas, zerglings, and perhaps lurkers, he might try another bio army with 2-3 tanks for one more push before going mech switch. Other times, the Terran may go mech-switch right after the first bio army fails, thus giving up on bio altogether. In this case, the Terran will tend to go mass vultures to set mines all around the exterior of the Zerg base to stall/defend while expanding and amassing mech units.

Of course there are always those who persist with SK Terran and dropships, like PianO, and they're very potent against Zerg, even with defilers/swarm

How is this an answer to my question.
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-21 15:08:11
March 21 2016 15:05 GMT
#1718
On March 21 2016 23:41 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2016 21:56 SC2BF3Love wrote:
flash says something at the end of every match, what does it means?


I think it's something like GG or something. When I was watching Effort and Flash play (both streams), right after the game ended they both said the same exact words.


You both are probably talking about "수고하셨습니다" or some variant of it which has the same effect as like saying GG at the end of a game. If you want to know more of the nuances behind it this might help http://www.scribd.com/doc/128780692/Talk-To-Me-In-Korean-Level-5-Lesson-3 . If you scroll down a little its the 2nd expression.
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
March 21 2016 15:40 GMT
#1719
On March 21 2016 23:51 Foxxan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2016 06:26 prech wrote:
On March 20 2016 10:03 Foxxan wrote:
Isnt the mechswitch a thing because sk-terran gets hardcountered by hydra/lurk/defiler in lategame?

Many strong Terran players (Last, Sea, Mind, etc) will often mech switch as soon as Zerg gets defilers (and usually that third base), so that could be in the 10-15mins range.

Basically the Terran will try a first bio wave of M&Ms and if it's turned back by mutas, zerglings, and perhaps lurkers, he might try another bio army with 2-3 tanks for one more push before going mech switch. Other times, the Terran may go mech-switch right after the first bio army fails, thus giving up on bio altogether. In this case, the Terran will tend to go mass vultures to set mines all around the exterior of the Zerg base to stall/defend while expanding and amassing mech units.

Of course there are always those who persist with SK Terran and dropships, like PianO, and they're very potent against Zerg, even with defilers/swarm

How is this an answer to my question.

SK Terran is definitely not hard countered. That would imply that it always gets beaten, regardless of execution and micro, and that is just not true. Terms like hard counter should not be overused for things like this. With proper SK play you constantly harass and put pressure on the Zerg, while using all the gas you save by not making mech on creating a vessel cloud so you can irradiate the Zergs gas heavy units into oblivion. Sure, if you cannot poke a single hole in the Z defence, get any map control while Zerg is sitting comfortably on 4+ gas, throwing dark swarms in your natural, the game is over, but then you've simply been outplayed. SK is still a perfectly viable style, and it is not hard countered. It is however probably the most mechanically demanding thing a T can do, and Zergs have gotten so good defensively that it's simply easier, more solid and consistent to just switch to mech, split the map and abuse the true power of Terran; the defence.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Scarbo
Profile Joined January 2012
294 Posts
March 21 2016 15:43 GMT
#1720
On March 21 2016 23:51 Foxxan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2016 06:26 prech wrote:
On March 20 2016 10:03 Foxxan wrote:
Isnt the mechswitch a thing because sk-terran gets hardcountered by hydra/lurk/defiler in lategame?

Many strong Terran players (Last, Sea, Mind, etc) will often mech switch as soon as Zerg gets defilers (and usually that third base), so that could be in the 10-15mins range.

Basically the Terran will try a first bio wave of M&Ms and if it's turned back by mutas, zerglings, and perhaps lurkers, he might try another bio army with 2-3 tanks for one more push before going mech switch. Other times, the Terran may go mech-switch right after the first bio army fails, thus giving up on bio altogether. In this case, the Terran will tend to go mass vultures to set mines all around the exterior of the Zerg base to stall/defend while expanding and amassing mech units.

Of course there are always those who persist with SK Terran and dropships, like PianO, and they're very potent against Zerg, even with defilers/swarm

How is this an answer to my question.


No, SK is fine vs Lurker/Defiler. Mech switch is a thing because of Ultralisks armor. Marines deal low dmg on a high rate of fire, which is a problem against high armor targets since the dmg reduction is calculated for each attack. This means that the number of bio units you'll need vs a Ultraling army is too high to be manageable, APM-wise.
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