Greatest player of all times

1tym

Korea (South)2425 Posts

February 17 2007 23:09 GMT

Throughout the history of Starcraft Pro-gaming many kings have risen and fallen..

We talk of domination of Saviour at the moment but we all know that he won't be reigning as king forever. So in the end, overall achievement is what matters the most.

Over the years most dominantly there has been Freemura era, Giyom era, Boxer era, Nada era, Julyzerg era, Iloveoov era and currently is the Saviour era.... Let's take a moment to think about who's the greatest player of all times..
I had to translate all the awards from Korean to English so some of them may not be accurate.

According to Uzoo, (from 1999)
*May not be up to date

1st Nada Pantech EX 774.4 1370.8 383 29.2 2557.4
2nd Boxer SK텔레콤 T1 1346.8 580.7 -7.8 415.4 2335.1
3rd Yellow KTF Magicⓝs 1055.2 659.7 21 112.8 1848.7
4th Iloveoov SK텔레콤 T1 811.2 891.8 0 31.2 1734.2
5th Julyzerg MBC게임 HERO 908.4 248.2 0 25 1181.6
6th Xellos CJ ENTUS 565 226.4 96.9 202.2 1090.5
7th Chojja KTF Magicⓝs 212.4 687 95.1 20 1014.5
8th Nal_ra KTF Magicⓝs 538.8 420.6 48 1 1008.4
9th Reach KTF Magicⓝs 756.6 226.8 -4.3 1.8 980.9
10th Gorush SK텔레콤 T1 427 430.8 0 52 909.8
11th HOTforever 은퇴 373.4 316.2 121.5 4.4 815.5
12th Kingdom SK텔레콤 T1 422 257.4 87.1 -0.4 766.1
13th Grrrr 은퇴 456.4 1.3 21 65 543.7
14th Mumyung SK텔레콤 T1 79 444 -17.4 10.6 516.2
15th Garimto 은퇴 506.8 0 -0.5 -0.8 505.5
16th Saviour CJ ENTUS 51.2 441 0 0 492.2

I have excluded all Team play wins and pro-league wins from the awards

Saviour

2005 Uzoo MSL win

2006 CYON MSL second

2006 Pringles MSL win

2006 Pringles MSL season 2 win

2006 3rd Superfight win

2007 OSL finalist

Julyzerg

2003 iTV Amateur tournament win

2003 KizooRodeo walk 2nd Starleague win

2003 iTV Rookie tournament 3rd

2004 Gillete OSL win

2004 iTV ranking 7th deciding tournament win

2005 KT-KTF premier league win (all leagues combined)

2005 EVER OSL win

2005 IOPS OSL 2nd

2006 Shinhan OSL 2nd

Iloveoov

2003 TG Sambo MSL win

2003 ITV gamespecial Rookie tournament winiTV

2003 Airwalk National Amateur tournament win

2004 Hanoforce Sengame MSL win

2004 Gillete OSL 3rd

2004 7th ITV ranking tournament 2nd

2004 Spris MSL win

2004 EVER OSL win

2005 So1 OSL 3rd

2006 CYON MSL 3rd

2006 Shinhan OSL win

2006 WCG2006 win

Nada

2nd Megapass Cybergame Grand Prix league win

1st Samsung Magicstation WCG win

2001 KPGA TOUR 4th league win

2002 KPGA TOUR 2nd league win

2002 KPGA TOUR 3rd league win

2003 Panasonic OSL win

2003 ghemTV 3rd Starleague win

2003 Hotbreak Ongamenet masters OSL win

2003 Byurook market FindAll challenger open Starleague 2nd

2003 Stout MSL 2nd

2003 TG Sambo MSL 3rd

2004 KTF BIgi premier league win

2004 KT-KTF Premier league combined championship win

2004 Hanaforce Sengame MSL 2nd

2005 IOPS OSL win

2006 Shinhan OSL season 2 win

2007 OSL finalist

Boxer

1999 1st SBS Multi Game Championship win

2000 Samsung Digital KIGL King of Kings win

2000 M.police Game league win

2001 The 1st World Cyber Games win

2001 Coca Cola OSL win

2001 Hanbit Soft OSL win

2001 3rd Game-Q starleague win

2001 Zzgame.com Progamer 32 invite win

2002 World Cyber Games win

2002 KPGA TOUR 1st league win

2003 KTF Bigi 4 Kings win

2003 EC KPGA Tour Winner's championship 2nd

2003 Olympus OSL 3rd

2003 Toona BIG 4 SPECIAL win

2004 KT Megapass Nespot Premierleauge win

2004 KT-KTF Premier leauge combined championship 2nd

2004 EVER OSL 2nd

2005 Sneakers All star league 2nd round 3rd

2005 So1 OSL 2nd

Xellos

2002 pgr21.com tournament win

2002 2nd Ongamenet challenge leauge 1st

2003 Olympus OSL win

2004 KTF Bigi Premier leauge 2nd

2004 WCG win

2005 EVER OSL 3rd

Yellow

KT OSL king of kings win

2000 GameRacer MeSa 2nd

2000 Battle Top 2nd Chunggang 3rd

2000 Gamei Captain league win

2000 iTV Hangame Survival league win

2001 Hanbit SOft KPGA Winner's Championship win

2001 PSB Megapass Cyber Grand Prix league 1st

2001 Ongamenet Star King selection league 3rd

2001 iTV Rookie tournament 1st

2001 GameBugs Championship 1st

2001 Coca Cola OSL 2nd

2002 WCG Progamer selection 1st

2002 KPGA Tour 1st and 2nd league 2nd

2002 WCG 2nd

2003 KTEC KPGA Tour Winner's Championship win

2003 Byurook Market FindAll Challenger Open Starleague win

2003 iTV Starcraft Ranking deciding tournament 5th league win

2003 MBC Yeo Soo 4 Kings win

2003 Olympus OSL 2nd

2003 TG Sambo MSL 2nd

2004 KT-KTF Premierleague KT Official League 2nd

2005 Sneakers MBC All star league win

2006 Shinhan OSL season 1 3rd

Grrrr (Guillaum Patry)

PGL Season 4 win

Blizzard World championship win

Seul Ki Bang invite win

i2e2 Starleague win

Crazio 8 All Stars win

SBS Starleague win

KBS Conet Stargleague win

Hanaro Tooniverse Starleague win

2000 Ongamenet Kings of Kings win

2001 WCG Canada 1st

2002 1st GhemTV Starleague 2nd

2003 WCG 3rd

SK.Testie

Canada11084 Posts

February 17 2007 23:12 GMT

Grrr is ranked 13th still?
Wow, amazing.

Carnac

Germany / USA16648 Posts

February 17 2007 23:15 GMT

mumyung is out of place

Locke.

Israel562 Posts

February 17 2007 23:17 GMT

They should add the CJ event where he won singlehandedly for his team. It was HIS win more than it was a team win.

Pressure

7326 Posts

February 17 2007 23:18 GMT

On February:17 Locke. wrote:
They should add the CJ event where he won singlehandedly for his team. It was HIS win more than it was a team win.

he excluded superfight adn stuff, i think that was it

SK.Testie

Canada11084 Posts

February 17 2007 23:19 GMT

Well, mumyung did qualify to a LOT of big leagues. Which in itself is an achievement.
He just never went far in them.

1tym

Korea (South)2425 Posts

February 17 2007 23:21 GMT

Mumyung is actually quiet old school..

2000 Jeonbook Ghetto League win

2000 i-touch017 league (4 consecutive wins)

2000 Jeonbook Western Sea University League win

2001 E-notes Captain League win

2001 zzgame Challenger League win

2002 KPGA Winner's Championship win

2003 iTV Staracraft Ranking Deciding 5th League 2nd

Carnac

Germany / USA16648 Posts

February 17 2007 23:21 GMT

On February 18 2007 08:17 Locke. wrote:
They should add the CJ event where he won singlehandedly for his team. It was HIS win more than it was a team win.

oh comeon, it was just 3 bo1 wins -.- not that noteworthy in terms of accomplishments

1tym

Korea (South)2425 Posts

February 17 2007 23:23 GMT

On February 18 2007 08:18 Pressure wrote:

Show nested quote +

he excluded superfight adn stuff, i think that was it

Well I didn't exclude superfight win from Saviour.. otherwise his list is too short.. T.T

FaCE_1

Canada6185 Posts

February 17 2007 23:27 GMT

#10

Grrr #1, fuck all the other

nah, cool ranking

iNcontroL

USA29055 Posts

February 17 2007 23:31 GMT

#11

actually its me.

I am the best around, and nobody is ever going to hold me down.

CC Rider

289 Posts

February 17 2007 23:34 GMT

#12

fuck all haters, mumyung #1

~chut~

France1317 Posts

February 17 2007 23:35 GMT

#13

Yellow achievement's list is the longest, he's the best, i always knew it!!!

Seriously, that's a very good list, thanks a lot. I'd like to know the meaning of all the numbers in front of the names, can you provide us that?

Ryp

31 Posts

February 17 2007 23:37 GMT

#14

sAviOr not saviour

Gandalf

Pakistan1905 Posts

February 17 2007 23:41 GMT

#15

For me BoxeR is the best player of all time.

His achievements list is very long and very impressive, and makes a strong case for him.

But a list of achievements ie top 4 finishes in tourneys shouldnt be the only criteria to decide the greatest player of all time. Boxer did a lot of shit that wouldnt show up in a list like that, he changed how the game was played in many ways, more than any other player has influenced it, and he was a major force behind starcraft exploding as a professional game in Korea.

Go Boxer!

1tym

Korea (South)2425 Posts

February 17 2007 23:41 GMT

#16

On February 18 2007 08:37 Ryp wrote:
sAviOr not saviour

Of all the players listed above, you've only noticed his id being mentioned inaccurately? Translation itself takes a lot of time.. as if I will care about gamer ID's upper and lower caps.. In Korea we all call them by their real names anyway..

DeadVessel

United States6269 Posts

February 17 2007 23:58 GMT

#17

I never knew yellow had so many accomplishments :S thanks 1tym.

Sun

United States551 Posts

February 18 2007 00:03 GMT

#18

Ryp deserve a punch to the face.

Gandalf

Pakistan1905 Posts

February 18 2007 00:10 GMT

#19

Hey 1tym I couldnt figure out what the figures in the first table represent. Could you please tell me?

<3

Hot_Bid

Braavos36402 Posts

February 18 2007 00:17 GMT

#20

these lists really can't be used as comparisons, if you look at lets say iloveoov's and savior's lists they are more recent, harder starleagues whereas Yellow's list is filled with shit like "2000 GameRacer MeSa 2nd, 2000 Battle Top 2nd Chunggang 3rd, 2000 Gamei Captain league win, or ITV rookie tournament win" who cares if he got 2nd in some random tournament in 2000 when progaming wasn't developed yet.

nada's are far more impressive with his recent success, and his career clearly has been the best of all time. nobody seems to mention that boxer's OSL finals record is pretty bad. after boxer's two starleague wins in like 2000/2001, he's lost 4 straight finals (garimto, reach, oov, anytime), making him 3-4, if you include his MSL win in 2002.

for comparison's sake, in starleague finals, Nada is 6-3 (with 1 OSL pending), oov is 5-0, and savior is 3-1 (with 2 pending). these guys also have won during the modern era, when competition was the toughest.

oov and savior have had the most amazing periods of dominance. savior has achieved probably the highest level of brood war ever played. nada has the best career. nobody is discounting Boxer or Yellow or Grrrr's contributions to the beginnings of BW, but their careers simply cannot be compared. it is SO much harder to win now than before.

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