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ICCUP: New Rating System
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iCCup.Face
Italy447 Posts
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Mirabel_
United States1768 Posts
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
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TheGreatOne
United States534 Posts
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Filco
France154 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10691 Posts
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fearthequeen
United States788 Posts
For one it looks like the loss penalties at higher ranks are less. (for example b- vs b- was -100 in the past, now only -50) meaning you now can maintain, and with motw bonus actually gain points @ b-,b,b+ by having 33% win rate vs same rank (130 for 1 win, -100 for two losses = +30 net) Is 33% win rate against same rank really enough for someone to be considered a B ranker? In my opinion no way. Also, imagine you are sitting at D+. You have the choice of playing vs D- or C-. Vs D- you have 100/-50 and vs C- you have 125/-37. Is there any incentive to play vs C- if you are strictly trying to rank up? | ||
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Glioburd
France1911 Posts
 Thanks for your work Face ! | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On June 09 2015 07:58 fearthequeen wrote: At first glance it looks good, and i understand the reasoning behind doing this (relatively small player pool) but I don't think its better than previous system. For one it looks like the loss penalties at higher ranks are less. (for example b- vs b- was -100 in the past, now only -50) meaning you now can maintain, and with motw bonus actually gain points @ b-,b,b+ by having 33% win rate vs same rank (130 for 1 win, -100 for two losses = +30 net) Is 33% win rate against same rank really enough for someone to be considered a B ranker? In my opinion no way. Also, imagine you are sitting at D+. You have the choice of playing vs D- or C-. Vs D- you have 100/-50 and vs C- you have 125/-37. Is there any incentive to play vs C- if you are strictly trying to rank up? Yeah, this is what I was thinking, but too lazy to write out. This new system actually incentivizes noob-bashing. If ladder noobs thought they were getting "trolled" before (they weren't, just everyone starts at D, and they're just whining because they're bad) well, this is going to make it much more likely that they'll get picked on. | ||
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iCCup.Face
Italy447 Posts
The previous C+ skilled will be the next A-, with the difference to play more to get your real new rank, supposing you are here for the fun to play and to ladder up. We hope you will get more games with more different players and with the chance to play vs people much better than you. Something that never happened before since gosu players had no reason to play vs 2-3-4 lower ranks. And the MOST important you will not get bored to wait 20 minutes for a fu%&ing game. You get less points playing against 2-3 higher ranks? True, but how many B- players would have played vs C-/C? Now you will find many more willing to do, or it's what we hope for... | ||
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Ty2
United States1434 Posts
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fearthequeen
United States788 Posts
Honestly I thank you for taking the time to implement a new points system, I'm just not convinced it will be any better than the old one. | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On June 09 2015 08:18 ninazerg wrote: Yeah, this is what I was thinking, but too lazy to write out. This new system actually incentivizes noob-bashing. If ladder noobs thought they were getting "trolled" before (they weren't, just everyone starts at D, and they're just whining because they're bad) well, this is going to make it much more likely that they'll get picked on. Ladder noobs who dont kick an A- player and chose to play them instead don't deserve to even whine  | ||
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idegelchik
Russian Federation382 Posts
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GeckoXp
Germany2016 Posts
On June 09 2015 12:57 fearthequeen wrote: You have to think of it from both sides. Now C-/C stands to gain LESS points from beating a B- than they did in the old system. So while B- will be more willing to play vs lower ranks, the lower ranks have less reason to play against higher ranks (when they are 2 or more ranks apart) Honestly I thank you for taking the time to implement a new points system, I'm just not convinced it will be any better than the old one. The problem isn't the ranking, old or new, but the player base. If anyone is so invested in their rankings and the prestige that goes with it, no system will ever be perfect. The new adaption seems to target the problem of higher ranked players complaining about not finding people on their own rank - well it's a try. Yet, the majority is still like "I go to FISH because cool" or "lul Lancerx 5000 games only B", this obviously won't help too much. One can't make fun of mass gamers on one hand, and on the other complain about a small population. Also lol @ the newbie bashing argument by Nina. As if you weren't the perfect example of a newb basher, who pre-selects opponents based on their win ratio in the lobby. Hypocrite much? | ||
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LV-Hellscream
Great Britain154 Posts
Also would be nice that people are allowed to have just one or max 2 acc.  teams should be allowed not more than 10 palyers. and like this Clan league would be back too. f*ck ranks. most important is autogame search like in sc2. for example C+ rank player searches for game ,and he can appear to play vs any, from +-2 ranks. C-C B-B then they can't leave game or they lose pts. so they play. | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On June 09 2015 08:47 iCCup.Face wrote: You should look the full picture. Oh. I didn't think of that. Hm. | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On June 09 2015 15:31 GeckoXp wrote: Also lol @ the newbie bashing argument by Nina. As if you weren't the perfect example of a newb basher, who pre-selects opponents based on their win ratio in the lobby. Hypocrite much? You are the most bitter, angry and vindictive dude on this forum. I already said that was silly of me, but you have to go "hYpOcRiTe mUcH!?" because why? I don't understand why you do this to yourself. You rarely post here, but when you do, it's always to insult someone or literally tell them to "go fuck themselves". Also, zcorez. | ||
Falling
Canada11413 Posts
Why not? Although it seems a little rough that C+ can get 75 (or 97) points off of a D- players. Granted, I guess D- can just boot the C+ guys just the same. | ||
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