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Baa?21248 Posts
I hate Light but this list is pretty objective. Hard to come up with anyone more deserving.
Midas is for sure one of the most unfortunate players. Extremely skilled but he happened to coincide with Savior destroying everyone.
Leta never would've been able to make a deep run in an individual league - as evidenced by the fact that he has never done so. He was good at doing a few specific things, such as gimmicky 2port Wraith builds in maps that favored cheesy TvZ, but he would've been picked apart in a series by any competent individual league player of any race.
It's a stretch to say he's just a bit better than Really, but he's certainly no contender.
Do we really even need a Zerg list? A single name on it in big bold letters would suffice and we can go home >_>
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On November 18 2014 09:09 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Leta never would've been able to make a deep run in an individual league - as evidenced by the fact that he has never done so. He was good at doing a few specific things, such as gimmicky 2port Wraith builds in maps that favored cheesy TvZ, but he would've been picked apart in a series by any competent individual league player of any race.
It's a stretch to say he's just a bit better than Really, but he's certainly no contender.
this is such bullshit
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Leta was an A-class player whose best matchup was actually TvT. He rocked people with 2port Wraith in TvZ because he was the best in the world at it, but he was very good at standard TvZ as well. He made it to the quarterfinals of both the OSL and the MSL. I don't want to debate the semantics of what it means for someone to be a contender, but he was in the same tier as players like Calm or Luxury - i.e. good enough to win a title given slightly favorable circumstances.
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To be clear - I'm fine with him not being on this list (he's probably #6). But it tilts me to see people ignorantly trashing my favorite player. You want to rag on Leta's meh-TvP? Fine. You want to say his TvZ wasn't strong enough to compete with Jaedong? Sure. But if you think he was anything less than an A-class Terran then you are wrong.
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On November 18 2014 09:09 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
I hate Light but this list is pretty objective. Hard to come up with anyone more deserving.
Midas is for sure one of the most unfortunate players. Extremely skilled but he happened to coincide with Savior destroying everyone.
Leta never would've been able to make a deep run in an individual league - as evidenced by the fact that he has never done so. He was good at doing a few specific things, such as gimmicky 2port Wraith builds in maps that favored cheesy TvZ, but he would've been picked apart in a series by any competent individual league player of any race.
It's a stretch to say he's just a bit better than Really, but he's certainly no contender.
Do we really even need a Zerg list? A single name on it in big bold letters would suffice and we can go home >_>
You're right. Neo.G Baller
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On November 18 2014 10:46 Crunchums wrote:
To be clear - I'm fine with him not being on this list (he's probably #6). But it tilts me to see people ignorantly trashing my favorite player. You want to rag on Leta's meh-TvP? Fine. You want to say his TvZ wasn't strong enough to compete with Jaedong? Sure. But if you think he was anything less than an A-class Terran then you are wrong.
He's the S-Class Test brother.
SHIN SANG MOON <3
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51710 Posts
On November 18 2014 11:14 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2014 09:09 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
I hate Light but this list is pretty objective. Hard to come up with anyone more deserving.
Midas is for sure one of the most unfortunate players. Extremely skilled but he happened to coincide with Savior destroying everyone.
Leta never would've been able to make a deep run in an individual league - as evidenced by the fact that he has never done so. He was good at doing a few specific things, such as gimmicky 2port Wraith builds in maps that favored cheesy TvZ, but he would've been picked apart in a series by any competent individual league player of any race.
It's a stretch to say he's just a bit better than Really, but he's certainly no contender.
Do we really even need a Zerg list? A single name on it in big bold letters would suffice and we can go home >_> You're right. Neo.G Baller
you mean Neo.G Bonjwa
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Russian Federation15 Posts
Do we really even need a Zerg list? A single name on it in big bold letters would suffice and we can go home >_>
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On November 18 2014 11:27 icystorage wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2014 10:46 Crunchums wrote:
To be clear - I'm fine with him not being on this list (he's probably #6). But it tilts me to see people ignorantly trashing my favorite player. You want to rag on Leta's meh-TvP? Fine. You want to say his TvZ wasn't strong enough to compete with Jaedong? Sure. But if you think he was anything less than an A-class Terran then you are wrong. He's the S-Class Test brother. SHIN SANG MOON <3
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we need to post more together
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On November 18 2014 11:27 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2014 11:14 L_Master wrote:On November 18 2014 09:09 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
I hate Light but this list is pretty objective. Hard to come up with anyone more deserving.
Midas is for sure one of the most unfortunate players. Extremely skilled but he happened to coincide with Savior destroying everyone.
Leta never would've been able to make a deep run in an individual league - as evidenced by the fact that he has never done so. He was good at doing a few specific things, such as gimmicky 2port Wraith builds in maps that favored cheesy TvZ, but he would've been picked apart in a series by any competent individual league player of any race.
It's a stretch to say he's just a bit better than Really, but he's certainly no contender.
Do we really even need a Zerg list? A single name on it in big bold letters would suffice and we can go home >_> You're right. Neo.G Baller you mean Neo.G Bonjwa
I'd like to think so.
But there was that ONE game vs FlaSh...
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/srsface
How does one become a good writer :o
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poor Really got quite the spanking in this thread
but i'm gonna say like one fellow mentioned, he probably deserves to be somewhere in the top 10 at least
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Baa?21248 Posts
On November 18 2014 14:28 figq wrote:
poor Really got quite the spanking in this thread
but i'm gonna say like one fellow mentioned, he probably deserves to be somewhere in the top 10 at least
The five mentioned in OP, plus:
Leta
Hwasin
Baby
Skyhigh
Hiya
firebathero
Chrh
TheMarine
Silent_Control
Canata
Ruby
That's at least 15 players who were more relevant than Really was, plus the long list of Terran OSL/MSL winners, and I'm probably forgetting a bunch too.
On November 18 2014 10:46 Crunchums wrote:
To be clear - I'm fine with him not being on this list (he's probably #6). But it tilts me to see people ignorantly trashing my favorite player. You want to rag on Leta's meh-TvP? Fine. You want to say his TvZ wasn't strong enough to compete with Jaedong? Sure. But if you think he was anything less than an A-class Terran then you are wrong.
I mean, there's a super long list of Terran MSL/OSL winners, plus five people here. When you're already reaching down 15+ slots, can you still be considered A-class lol.
S class is like the Boxer/Nada/oov/Flash etc. fantasy is like an A-class Terran. Are you really telling me Leta is one level below Flash and on par with fantasy?
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On November 18 2014 15:31 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2014 10:46 Crunchums wrote:
To be clear - I'm fine with him not being on this list (he's probably #6). But it tilts me to see people ignorantly trashing my favorite player. You want to rag on Leta's meh-TvP? Fine. You want to say his TvZ wasn't strong enough to compete with Jaedong? Sure. But if you think he was anything less than an A-class Terran then you are wrong. I mean, there's a super long list of Terran MSL/OSL winners, plus five people here. When you're already reaching down 15+ slots, can you still be considered A-class lol.
of course you can. that list covers the entire history of BW.
S class is like the Boxer/Nada/oov/Flash etc. fantasy is like an A-class Terran. Are you really telling me Leta is one level below Flash and on par with fantasy?
it's a spectrum. fantasy is A+ and Leta is A
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I consider it more like Leta's
TvT - S-Class (can stand toe-to-toe with the top TvTers)
TvP - fucking garbage seriously
TvT - A (give or take)
You gotta also consider that he had a team composed mostly of match-fixers.
just my 2c tho!
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United Kingdom12071 Posts
On November 18 2014 16:12 Crunchums wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2014 15:31 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On November 18 2014 10:46 Crunchums wrote:
To be clear - I'm fine with him not being on this list (he's probably #6). But it tilts me to see people ignorantly trashing my favorite player. You want to rag on Leta's meh-TvP? Fine. You want to say his TvZ wasn't strong enough to compete with Jaedong? Sure. But if you think he was anything less than an A-class Terran then you are wrong. I mean, there's a super long list of Terran MSL/OSL winners, plus five people here. When you're already reaching down 15+ slots, can you still be considered A-class lol. of course you can. that list covers the entire history of BW. Show nested quote +
S class is like the Boxer/Nada/oov/Flash etc. fantasy is like an A-class Terran. Are you really telling me Leta is one level below Flash and on par with fantasy?
it's a spectrum. fantasy is A+ and Leta is A
Oov/Boxer/Flash = S+
Fantasy = S
Leta = like B.
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I haven't kept up with BW since 2012 so I voted protoss forgetting that Jangbi and Stork both won OSLs -_-
Foolish me
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United States13143 Posts
On November 18 2014 19:17 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2014 16:12 Crunchums wrote:On November 18 2014 15:31 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On November 18 2014 10:46 Crunchums wrote:
To be clear - I'm fine with him not being on this list (he's probably #6). But it tilts me to see people ignorantly trashing my favorite player. You want to rag on Leta's meh-TvP? Fine. You want to say his TvZ wasn't strong enough to compete with Jaedong? Sure. But if you think he was anything less than an A-class Terran then you are wrong. I mean, there's a super long list of Terran MSL/OSL winners, plus five people here. When you're already reaching down 15+ slots, can you still be considered A-class lol. of course you can. that list covers the entire history of BW.
S class is like the Boxer/Nada/oov/Flash etc. fantasy is like an A-class Terran. Are you really telling me Leta is one level below Flash and on par with fantasy?
it's a spectrum. fantasy is A+ and Leta is A Oov/Boxer/Flash = S+ Fantasy = S Leta = like B.
hahahaha
this would have been accurate in 2007 when Leta was garbage
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On November 17 2014 09:05 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
As an aside, don't use apostrophes for plural. It should be Best Terrans To Never Win, not Best Terran's. because it's not possessive or a contraction <3
^ Most important comment in this thread so far.
I know that because I pressed Control+F and searched for "apost" and this was the only comment to be highlighted in five pages.
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How is Really even remotely relevant...? Was there ever a time when he was better than mediocre?
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