EPTLeta - Overrated as a player IMO. He's a slightly better Really.
FBH/UpMagic - Gimmicky players who would never be able to have won a championship no matter how much they prepared.
[Article] Best Terran's to never win a major. - Page 2
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GTR
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Leta - Overrated as a player IMO. He's a slightly better Really. FBH/UpMagic - Gimmicky players who would never be able to have won a championship no matter how much they prepared. | ||
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nbaker
United States1341 Posts
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
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c3rberUs
Japan11285 Posts
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IloveFlaSh
Russian Federation15 Posts
On November 16 2014 09:11 GTR wrote: Leta - Overrated as a player IMO. He's a slightly better Really. Leta ELO peak 2263 , 58,38% winning percentage Light ELO peak 2250, 55,17% winning percentage Leta>Light | ||
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GTR
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GTR
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On November 16 2014 09:52 c3rberUs wrote: I know TheMarine peaked during the days of no OSL and MSL but he was still a strong player nonetheless (even made it to the upper brackets of some leagues in 2004). With his skill set and 'game intellect' (discount 1999-2001 mechanics) could he have a realistic shot at winning a major title had he been born a few years later? I'm curious because he was beyond my time. I was tempted to put TheMarine in because he was the strongest proponent of the 'by-the-book' style of Terran, but unfortunately he was shadowed so much by Boxer that he didn't get the exposure he deserved. I think if he remained with GO with Xellos/Midas etc instead of moving over to KTF, I think he would have made several deep runs in individual leagues. | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On November 16 2014 09:11 GTR wrote: Re: Hwasin - Match fixer, also had one peak which coincided with Midas/Iris. Leta - Overrated as a player IMO. He's a slightly better Really. FBH/UpMagic - Gimmicky players who would never be able to have won a championship no matter how much they prepared. So, what you're saying is, you get to decide who is 'truly' talented and who isn't. | ||
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Jaded.
United States125 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/42563-progaming-gossip?page=3#46 | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
Light is GOOD but if I were to put my money down, he would be definitely behind Leta. | ||
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IloveFlaSh
Russian Federation15 Posts
On November 16 2014 09:11 GTR wrote: FBH/UpMagic - Gimmicky players who would never be able to have won a championship no matter how much they prepared. Like Casy. Oh wait... | ||
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
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TurboMaN
Germany925 Posts
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On November 16 2014 11:02 ReketSomething wrote: Wheres idra? that's a joke, right? | ||
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Probemicro
3708 Posts
Bonus Light with pimp hair | ||
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c3rberUs
Japan11285 Posts
On November 16 2014 10:01 GTR wrote: I was tempted to put TheMarine in because he was the strongest proponent of the 'by-the-book' style of Terran, but unfortunately he was shadowed so much by Boxer that he didn't get the exposure he deserved. I think if he remained with GO with Xellos/Midas etc instead of moving over to KTF, I think he would have made several deep runs in individual leagues. Man now that I think about it, if GO retained everybody - Nal_rA, Midas, XellOs, GoRush, TheMarine~, they would've been absurdly good if not unstoppable. | ||
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chaosTheory_14cc
Canada1270 Posts
On November 16 2014 09:12 nbaker wrote: I have to say I'd put Sea over Light if we're talking about who was better. Light definitely got better results from 2010 on in individual leagues, but Sea was more of a proleague beast. Definitely makes sense to weight individual performance more for an article about best players never to win one, though. I agree, I think Sea was a much more well rounded player compared to Light. I view it in the same regard that I see Stork vs other protoss; that consistency leads to a better overall player. In terms of match-up proficiency however, I would give the edge to Light as I believe his TvZ more than made up for his TvP and while Sea's TvT was pretty good, I still felt that it didn't quite balance out his deficit. | ||
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ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3209 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On November 16 2014 09:59 IloveFlaSh wrote: Leta ELO peak 2263 , 58,38% winning percentage Light ELO peak 2250, 55,17% winning percentage Leta>Light On November 16 2014 10:00 GTR wrote: Yes, because statistics mean everything. So........ Are you telling us that winning more games doesn't make a better player? | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On November 16 2014 14:47 JieXian wrote: So........ Are you telling us that winning more games doesn't make a better player? You have to put the statistics in context, who you played matters quite a bit. People might look at SK and see his 53% vs T and think "meh, pretty mediocre". But when you look at his matchlist it's something like 75% games versus the big boys: Sea, Flash, hiyA, Light, Fantasy, Bogus. Winning more than half against those guys is pretty damn good. Don't forget context too, some players can get good winrates (think Kwanro), without every truly having the complete skillset to be a championship contender caliber player. That requires adaptability, flexibility in play styles, generally really solid macro play, and a good mind. Personally though, I think GTR is still too hard on Leta though. Anyway you cut it, 58% is more than just solid. He wasn't a slightly better Really, he was a strong PL terran. That loved wraiths. A ton. Only other area I don't think got the attention deserved was Light's TvZ: Light would be the perennial example of a typical Korean Terran. Strong TvZ, Good TvT, Mediocre TvP. Blessed with impeccable multi-tasking, he could run circles around Zergs on unfavorable maps Lights TvZ sets him apart from the archetype of the generic Korean Terran. It wasn't just strong, it was masterclass, second only to a certain absurd Terran god. Guy didn't run circles around zergs on unfavorable maps, he ran circles around zergs everywhere. That's considering he had his awful nerves to contend with as well. You're talking about a guy that literally went several months without losing a practice game to zergs. Crazy. | ||
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