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[Article] Best Terran's to never win a major. - Page 3

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L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
November 16 2014 06:19 GMT
#41
On November 16 2014 10:42 Xiphos wrote:
Leta, Midas, and Sea definitely makes it into my top 5 people to never win anything.

Light is GOOD but if I were to put my money down, he would be definitely behind Leta.


That's always a tough one. How do you class a guy with one insane MU, one solid one, and one weaker one versus a more all rounded player. Really hard for me to make a call there overall, can't overlook how good Light was in TvZ, but at the same time he had glaring weaknesses elsewhere
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
November 16 2014 06:29 GMT
#42
There were probably only 10 Terrans ever worth ranking in this. The ones you left out being Upmagic, ChRh, TheMarine, Silent_Control and possibly Gundam. Maybe a CBNC to Elky
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Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
November 16 2014 07:12 GMT
#43
On November 16 2014 15:29 Plexa wrote:
There were probably only 10 Terrans ever worth ranking in this. The ones you left out being Upmagic, ChRh, TheMarine, Silent_Control and possibly Gundam. Maybe a CBNC to Elky
To be fair, most of ChRh's high points were when he was playing random, and even then his best race was protoss IIRC. Definitely wasnt terran though, ironic as that is.
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duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-16 07:27:39
November 16 2014 07:23 GMT
#44
Please also start worst players insert race to ever win a major
edit worst players to almost win a major(which is silver)
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juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
November 16 2014 07:29 GMT
#45
On November 16 2014 15:16 L_Master wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2014 14:47 JieXian wrote:
On November 16 2014 09:59 IloveFlaSh wrote:
On November 16 2014 09:11 GTR wrote:
Leta - Overrated as a player IMO. He's a slightly better Really.

Leta ELO peak 2263 , 58,38% winning percentage

Light ELO peak 2250, 55,17% winning percentage

Leta>Light


On November 16 2014 10:00 GTR wrote:
Yes, because statistics mean everything.


So........ Are you telling us that winning more games doesn't make a better player?


You have to put the statistics in context, who you played matters quite a bit. People might look at SK and see his 53% vs T and think "meh, pretty mediocre". But when you look at his matchlist it's something like 75% games versus the big boys: Sea, Flash, hiyA, Light, Fantasy, Bogus. Winning more than half against those guys is pretty damn good.

that's exactly where the ELO ratings come in handy
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50637 Posts
November 16 2014 08:10 GMT
#46
light and sea

light came so close during BigFile MSL, but then he made Jaedong so mad that game 4 in the semis
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Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
November 16 2014 09:26 GMT
#47
Nice write-up. Personally, I would put Sea up higher though. He was one of the best and most consistent players in PL over several seasons.
prech
Profile Joined March 2014
United States2948 Posts
November 16 2014 10:01 GMT
#48
Very interesting, perfect for incorporating in http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/History_of_Korean_Professional_Scene
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
November 16 2014 10:35 GMT
#49
On November 16 2014 16:12 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2014 15:29 Plexa wrote:
There were probably only 10 Terrans ever worth ranking in this. The ones you left out being Upmagic, ChRh, TheMarine, Silent_Control and possibly Gundam. Maybe a CBNC to Elky
To be fair, most of ChRh's high points were when he was playing random, and even then his best race was protoss IIRC. Definitely wasnt terran though, ironic as that is.

Good point.
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Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
November 16 2014 10:55 GMT
#50
On November 16 2014 16:23 duke91 wrote:
Please also start worst players insert race to ever win a major

Zerg: Luxury/ogogo (WCG)
Protoss: fOru (WCG), the starleague winners are all deserving
Terran: forgg/casy
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
November 16 2014 11:16 GMT
#51
no Shin Sang Moon

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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50637 Posts
November 16 2014 11:36 GMT
#52
On November 16 2014 19:55 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2014 16:23 duke91 wrote:
Please also start worst players insert race to ever win a major

Zerg: Luxury/ogogo (WCG)
Protoss: fOru (WCG), the starleague winners are all deserving
Terran: forgg/casy

even sync?
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Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
November 16 2014 12:56 GMT
#53
On November 16 2014 20:36 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2014 19:55 Scarecrow wrote:
On November 16 2014 16:23 duke91 wrote:
Please also start worst players insert race to ever win a major

Zerg: Luxury/ogogo (WCG)
Protoss: fOru (WCG), the starleague winners are all deserving
Terran: forgg/casy

even sync?

sync wasn't protoss
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50637 Posts
November 16 2014 13:00 GMT
#54
On November 16 2014 21:56 Carnac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2014 20:36 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On November 16 2014 19:55 Scarecrow wrote:
On November 16 2014 16:23 duke91 wrote:
Please also start worst players insert race to ever win a major

Zerg: Luxury/ogogo (WCG)
Protoss: fOru (WCG), the starleague winners are all deserving
Terran: forgg/casy

even sync?

sync wasn't protoss


I thought he meant ALL starleague winners not just the protoss ones, nvm
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rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-16 15:19:12
November 16 2014 15:16 GMT
#55
I wouldn't call light an average terran, he had the second best tvz of all time - considering absolute skill, not relative to his time (oov)
perhaps one with "exaggerated traits"
(see above)
saltywet
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Hong Kong1316 Posts
November 16 2014 16:01 GMT
#56
On November 16 2014 16:23 duke91 wrote:
Please also start worst players insert race to ever win a major
edit worst players to almost win a major(which is silver)


fantasy
Mirabel_
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States1768 Posts
November 16 2014 16:25 GMT
#57
WCG Korea 2004 wasn't a major?

What the heck qualifies as a major?
get stronger play longer
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50637 Posts
November 16 2014 17:18 GMT
#58
OSL and MSL
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Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
November 16 2014 17:34 GMT
#59
Midas

I really wish he could have beaten Savior after choosing him... I respect him for being ballsy enough to choose him in the first place.
LuMiX
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
China5757 Posts
November 16 2014 17:43 GMT
#60
midas #1 as expected. his games vs savior were so good!
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