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TaDa1.
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
655 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-13 22:49:41
November 13 2006 22:48 GMT
#1
imo zvz right now is very exciting to watch and to play.
I play zerg and really like zvz
However, as people say, this mirror mu lacks variety and doesn't evole much. How can zvz reach pvp fun wise?
mid game
pvp have goon: key unit, reaver: damage dealer, high templar: spell caster, and zeal meat/rusher.
zvz now have muta: key unit, scourge: damage dealer, ling: meat/rusher -> zvz need a tier 2 spell caster that can damage the muta. but queen don't do any damage to muta, other than slowing them with ensnare, a research spell, or
parasite to track 1 muta. Queen need a spell to kill muta

Campaign story:
Kerrigan the Queen of Blade has wiped out more than half of the Jim Raynor force. Resource running out, the human can't have enough tanks to destroy waves and waves of the Swarm. Worse, when the Defilers cast out the orange Dark Swarm, the well trained Marines can't no longer aim at the zergs'vulnerable points and have no choice other than stim and run, leaving behind the seige tank. They then soon get killed by the Plague, the enormous Ultralisks and the carnivous Zerglings.

Human has no choice other than unleashing their most desvastating weapont, nuclear weapont. This weapont doesn't only kill the zergs, it will kill everything living organism, kill the entire environment. Jim is determined to kill Kerrigan, at any cost. Massive groups of science vessels were employed, loaded with nuclear materials from Korhal, with the protection of courageous massively irradites a great number of Defilers, Lurkers and Ultralisks. No longer bothered by the Dark Swarm, haunted by the Plague, or massmurdered by the Lurker's spines, the Marines toghether with Firebat and Medic lay waste tons and tons of Zerglings since there're not many Ultralisk left to provide cover.
With massive use of nuclear weapont, they now can keep the Zerg busy while reconstructing their bases and building a strong army.
Meanwhile, Artanis and Zeratul has successfully gather their loyal troups. They decided to move and hide on Luna, a twilight planet far away from Char. Of course, Kerrigan doesn't let them go so easily, she sends TaDa - a young Cerebrate under control of the Greastest Cerebrate sAviOr - to deal with the crumbled Protoss one last time. >
Of course, the low econ Protoss can't not match the might of the Swarm dreaded army Ultraling under the control of TaDa.
However, Zeratul has one trick up his sleeve. Using the power of Saru - an artifact made from Saurus bones, Artanis the High Templar and he, Zeratul the Dark Templar were able to sygnergize and merge into the rarest kind of Archon - Pink Archon . Pink Archons don't have great attack power, they can't be a warrior like Archon or help the army with spells like Dark Archon. They only have one ability, the ability to secretly Mind Control any creature that have weak spirit, no matter how big they are and one ultimate psychic power that enable them to control Psi-Listeners, a power similar to that of Kerrigan and her Cerebrates. In one black night, they secretly an morphing Hatchery in the east side of and a Spire.
They plays defenively and waits till TaDa's East side exansion grows strong enough to rival the main. Meanwhile, TaDa amass his force of Ultraling and Mutalisks, so that when he gets Hive, he will be able to create Guardian and crush the Protoss from all sides.
Right before the Greater Spire finish morphing, Zeratul and Artanis does the final sacrifice, claiming TaDa's east side expansion, the Swarm created by the Hatchery of that expansion and gained control over TaDa's Mutalisk forces.

Mutalisks ravages TaDa's base, TaDa defenses by building Spore Colony and Hydralisks while crushing now Zeratul'base with Ultraling and some uneffected Mutalisks. When the epic war ends, both sides are left with only 4 drones, 1 overlord and 1 hachery near the resources.
Feared that Zeratul will control his newly created Mutalisks, TaDa brainstormed to find a way to control the planet without Mutalisks and Scourges. He would need Spire units later of course, but in the meantime, he must survive and not fall behind before he finds out how to make sure he could control his Spire units once again.
He notice some mutant Queens, they have develop a parasite, can be used to kill Mutalisks, this parasite will cost the queen 110 mana. Due to that mutantion, it takes 30 min and 170 gas. Will this be enough for TaDa to deal with Zeratul mutaling ?

imo, make queen cost 30 min and 170 gas, let them cast mutasite for 110 will make zvz more interesting.
The two players can still mutaling each other.
If 1 side muta ling and the other hydra ling queen, it’ll look a bit like zvt , with ensnare acts as stimpack , lurker for more damage vs ling, mutasite acts as irradiate.
The muta side can harass, get 3rd gas sooner and fortified with sunken while mutasite eat when free/ / slow some of his muta in battle
If 2 side hydra ling it’ll be like pvp :D

do poll after u read pliz
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Poll: Is my idead cool ?
(Vote): yep your idea is cool, check it out!!!
(Vote): yep, but don't fix anything
(Vote): no, good story though
(Vote): u suck ! T_T
(Vote): more specific

sos bomber stork savior fan ^ http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/5160596/1/WXZ/achievements/category/4377898
RaGe
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Belgium9950 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-13 23:07:49
November 13 2006 23:07 GMT
#2
I can not imagine a post being more entirely random than this one
Moderatorsometimes I get intimidated by the size of my right testicle
iOi
Profile Joined August 2004
Canada1255 Posts
November 13 2006 23:15 GMT
#3
Good story
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44353 Posts
November 13 2006 23:17 GMT
#4
On November 14 2006 08:07 RaGe wrote:
I can not imagine a post being more entirely random than this one


Word. I don't know what to think about this to be honest. At first it's just kinda bad. But then it's funny in it's kinda bad way.
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary26003 Posts
November 13 2006 23:34 GMT
#5
So, to sum up you added a spell that is like Broodling but only kills Mutalisks? That's a terrible, terrible idea. I can't even guess if this is serious.

Basically this comes down to, Muta = 100 gas, Queen = 170 gas. That's too much of a difference to make this useful. And I know Queens regenerate mana, but if a Zerg let's you get an army of Queens without taking another base, there's something seriously wrong.

Think of Zerg versus Zerg like mech vs Zerg. The Hydras might be able to kill the Mutas, but if they move out he's going to lose his entire main and probably expansion. So the Hydra player has to sit around and get +1 or +2 carapace and a huge army before he can attack, and the Mutalisk player gets more gas expansions and thus more Mutalisks. It's a difficult style to play, Hydra vs Mutas.
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Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-19 11:33:17
November 19 2006 11:05 GMT
#6
If you look at your idea from a purely ZvZ perspective it is a ok - problem is those changes would not be ok with ZvT. By the way there is nothing stopping you from making an UMS with exactly those changes you suggest just to play ZvZ. That way you can test your own idea. Go to Staredit.net to their forums and ask someone to do it for you or help you.

If you want to have a different ZvZ experience another thing you can do is simply assume a few more loses and avoid the muta/ling yourself.. I would recommend you check out this recent thread and some of its replies ZvZ - but I see you been there already! Mind you there is also a ton more ZvZ threads in the strategy and the Brood War section that might change your mind about it being a boring match up.
"I have beheld the births of negative-suns and borne witness to the entropy of entire realities...."
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
November 19 2006 11:10 GMT
#7
that spell should be called TaDa
GaG[SharKy]
Profile Joined November 2006
New Zealand221 Posts
November 19 2006 11:25 GMT
#8
nah, but i like the story it was worth a few seconds of my time while i am at work
Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
November 19 2006 11:28 GMT
#9
good story.
Our Protoss, Who art in Aiur HongUn be Thy name; Thy stalker come, Thy will be blunk, on ladder as it is in Micro Tourny. Give us this win in our daily ladder, and forgive us our cheeses, As we forgive those who play zerg against us.
BboyRain
Profile Joined October 2006
Korea (South)85 Posts
November 19 2006 11:50 GMT
#10
good story weird idea.. i don't think it would be viable though
Seong C. Kim ... aka. nada_sk / yellos
Aukai
Profile Joined April 2003
United States1183 Posts
November 19 2006 12:46 GMT
#11
What the fuck, I don't even know what happen. Random story and then he mentioned a Pink Archon and I was completely lost.

And I don;t know if you should be changing or making spells for a MU just to make it interesting, maybe we should wait for a newer RTS to refresh the scene. Besides, when is a Mirror MU EVER interesting?
There was one really amazing gal. She was one of the biggest chick i ever seen.
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12816 Posts
November 19 2006 12:56 GMT
#12
I loved the pink archon. It was harlarious : )
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