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My_Digital_Toss *
Profile Joined December 2004
Korea (South)267 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-28 22:40:58
November 07 2006 13:11 GMT
#1


srry , i cant find yet image-_-
have fun!
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
November 07 2006 13:14 GMT
#2
its a private video
jkillashark
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States5262 Posts
November 07 2006 13:15 GMT
#3
Man that's one crazy zealot bomb.
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We Are Here
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Australia1810 Posts
November 07 2006 13:15 GMT
#4
cant watch it, the second one is of who?
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skyglow1
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
New Zealand3962 Posts
November 07 2006 13:18 GMT
#5
I don't get how you did that. Get close to the mine then use attack command? The gif is really nice though
Coulthard
Profile Joined September 2005
Greece3359 Posts
November 07 2006 13:22 GMT
#6
nice zeal bomb :O
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
November 07 2006 13:24 GMT
#7
Patrol??
Lisk
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
Latvia376 Posts
November 07 2006 13:31 GMT
#8
Does he simply let the DT attack by itself?
FireBatLover
Profile Joined July 2006
United States203 Posts
November 07 2006 13:33 GMT
#9
gj in sharing allied vision now try it without
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rick the dangerous
Profile Joined April 2004
Turkey90 Posts
November 07 2006 13:35 GMT
#10
the second one shows the improtance of mine placing ^_^... terran should be very careful in each step ... that makes it more difficult to play but if u take care of everything it is very strong :D
KrAzYfoOL
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Australia3037 Posts
November 07 2006 13:37 GMT
#11
vid doesn't work
It's better to burn out than to fade away
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-07 13:42:03
November 07 2006 13:41 GMT
#12
On November 07 2006 22:33 FireBatLover wrote:
gj in sharing allied vision now try it without


dont understand a word... the video is broken
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skyglow1
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
New Zealand3962 Posts
November 07 2006 14:00 GMT
#13
The video works for me? o_O
Alborz
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Canada1551 Posts
November 07 2006 14:03 GMT
#14
never stop posting My_Digital_Toss, never
DarK]N[exuS
Profile Joined April 2006
China1441 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-07 14:15:28
November 07 2006 14:14 GMT
#15
It's cool that DT can do it without being hurt but pretty useless in a real game =_=

+ without allied vision you can't target the mine before reaching it. I guess obs would make up for that.
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L!MP
Profile Joined March 2003
Australia2067 Posts
November 07 2006 14:24 GMT
#16
its interesting and if it worked without vision that'd be useful, but with vision everyone would just use goons instead. still, funny trick
skyglow1
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
New Zealand3962 Posts
November 07 2006 14:27 GMT
#17
What I want to know is how you do it!!! XD Could be helpful in some endgame situation hehe. Rare, but its cool to know anyway.
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
November 07 2006 14:36 GMT
#18
UMMMMMMMM.......

Nobody gets how the zlot bomb really went?

If you look closely, a group of zealots advanced on the tank and semi surrounding them. 2 zlots went to the bottom/left part and attracted 3 or so mines to them. Just before those mines blow up however, those zealot got killed by vultures.
The mines were thus attracted into the tank clutter but reburrowed.
It then got attracted again (new target nearby) by the zealots in the middle of the tank clutter.
Those mines flew into the middle of the tank clutter and blew up the entire tank field.

Look closely O_O
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skyglow1
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
New Zealand3962 Posts
November 07 2006 14:40 GMT
#19
On November 07 2006 23:36 evanthebouncy~ wrote:
UMMMMMMMM.......

Nobody gets how the zlot bomb really went?

If you look closely, a group of zealots advanced on the tank and semi surrounding them. 2 zlots went to the bottom/left part and attracted 3 or so mines to them. Just before those mines blow up however, those zealot got killed by vultures.
The mines were thus attracted into the tank clutter but reburrowed.
It then got attracted again (new target nearby) by the zealots in the middle of the tank clutter.
Those mines flew into the middle of the tank clutter and blew up the entire tank field.

Look closely O_O


Who didn't know? I mean from which posts did you pick up that impression?
ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
November 07 2006 14:45 GMT
#20
Wow, thats really cool Mydigitaltoss.

Even with vision, how do you make a dt do that?
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27157 Posts
November 07 2006 14:47 GMT
#21
On November 07 2006 22:33 FireBatLover wrote:
gj in sharing allied vision now try it without


Use an observer? -_-
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ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
November 07 2006 14:51 GMT
#22
It looks like he walks the dt until it's just out of reach of the mine, then walks it in and pushes hold position at the perfect time to stop the dt exactly (with the delay in mind) beside the mine giving it just enough time to slash it.

Looks cool. I'm going to try this out myself.
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KrAzYfoOL
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Australia3037 Posts
November 07 2006 15:23 GMT
#23
ok it works in explorer.
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KrAzYfoOL
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Australia3037 Posts
November 07 2006 15:24 GMT
#24
ah cool watched it, AND NO HURT NOT 1 HURT.
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Blind
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States2529 Posts
November 07 2006 15:51 GMT
#25
Seems he just placed the dt close enough so that it was in aggressive range. Not to be confused with attack range, we all know dts are melee units with no range. I don't know what it's actually called, but I'm calling it aggressive range here. It's when an enemy unit gets too close so your unit follows it and tries to kill it (unless your unit is in hold position). What My_Digital_Toss did was get the dt close enough with the mine so the dt would attack the mine on its own. Notice how after the dt gets close to the mine, no extra actions are ordered. The reason he kept pressing stop prior to the dt moving in to kill the mine was because he didn't want the dt to get too close, causing the mine to set off. I'm guessing the range of a mine setting off and the aggressive range of dts are pretty similar, so some precision is needed.
Asta
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany3491 Posts
November 07 2006 15:53 GMT
#26
On November 07 2006 23:51 ManaBlue wrote:
It looks like he walks the dt until it's just out of reach of the mine, then walks it in and pushes hold position at the perfect time to stop the dt exactly (with the delay in mind) beside the mine giving it just enough time to slash it.

Looks cool. I'm going to try this out myself.


How do you get the idea of 'hold position' being involved?
He just moves towards the mine step by step until it attacks.
Should be useful sometimes, but normally you either don't have observers yet (dt rush) or you actually _want_ the mine to go off (later in the game).
azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
November 07 2006 15:53 GMT
#27
Look closely, he never clicks on the mine. Notice how the "stop" button is pressed. He walks just in range of the dt's auto attack and hits "stop" so then the dt automatically goes after the mine without triggering it first. This obviously wouldn't work with multiple mines that are close enough to each other though, which is often the case.

Am I right?
Sadir
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Vatican City State1176 Posts
November 07 2006 16:29 GMT
#28
funny vid...but pretty useless in real games....
the zeal bomb is damn impressive
skyglow1
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
New Zealand3962 Posts
November 07 2006 16:43 GMT
#29
Ah yeah that should have been obvious how he was doing it.
WhatisProtoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Korea (South)2325 Posts
November 07 2006 18:05 GMT
#30
Guys. Please look at the video closely. See that patrol is being hit. -_-;;
pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5098 Posts
November 07 2006 18:18 GMT
#31
cant see vid... anyone help?
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
Vin{MBL}
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
5185 Posts
November 07 2006 18:22 GMT
#32
zealot bombs like that make me wanna cry

and i think MDT deserves a special icon
GiveUp
Profile Joined October 2006
Netherlands91 Posts
November 07 2006 18:33 GMT
#33
nice one
the DT attacks the mine before it explodes...
hard...
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DaZe
Profile Joined November 2003
Sweden2111 Posts
November 07 2006 18:55 GMT
#34
its the basic hold move scenario ;o
SoDrunk
Profile Joined September 2004
United Kingdom291 Posts
November 07 2006 19:44 GMT
#35
Patrol is not being hit
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
November 07 2006 19:45 GMT
#36
The angle matters, too, doesnt it ?
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PePe QuiCoSE
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Argentina1204 Posts
November 07 2006 19:46 GMT
#37
On November 08 2006 03:05 WhatisProtoss wrote:
Guys. Please look at the video closely. See that patrol is being hit. -_-;;
Nope, patrol it is never hit. What the video shows is what was said above, he puts the templar close enough that it automatically switch from the 'stop' position to 'attack' without direct command from the player.
Legionnaire
Profile Joined January 2003
Australia4514 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-07 20:02:26
November 07 2006 19:56 GMT
#38
T_T afaik i invented the dt vs mines 3 years ago when i was in POS. I actually had a UMS to practice it on, bejjang kept telling me i was wasting my time, but i thought it was fun

Always wanted to win a game by using dts/obs vs mines in a tv match but i never had the opportunity.

You will notice that attacking from a diagonal position, mines pop up a lot earlier, but not from directly on the side, or if the dts a fraction above it. There is also a way to do it with attacking the mines.

Pretty useless if there are multiple mines around :S
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Dendra
Profile Joined July 2006
Croatia801 Posts
November 07 2006 20:00 GMT
#39
hmm my favourite is dt surviving 3mines hit,i did it 100+ times,but this dt killings mines...i did it once on bladestorm,i just sent my dt to his exp and on his way there he had to pass mine field,strangely when a mine ran onto him he simply killed it. we didn't share vision,i didn't have obs to c the minefield,or w.e so guess my dt used hax! perhaps i did it more times but didn't notice. i'm not sure how does dt manage to kill the mine before it hits him,could be the angle or w.e
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SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
November 07 2006 20:05 GMT
#40
O Leg.. I wonder what other grand secrets there are in that brain of yours.
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Solstice[gm]
Profile Joined November 2006
Korea (South)76 Posts
November 07 2006 20:38 GMT
#41
On November 08 2006 03:22 vinsc wrote:
zealot bombs like that make me wanna cry

and i think MDT deserves a special icon


Hahaha see what happens when you drop Zealots onto stacked Spider Mines. ^_^

Not pretty at all.
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Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
November 07 2006 21:08 GMT
#42
Sweet, is there a way to do this without vision of the mines? I love DT rushes, so getting rid of mines with 1 dt would be so fun
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freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
November 07 2006 21:22 GMT
#43
hehe, dt is funny ^^
i think you can do it with spead zealot +2 ups
imo it can be good in very late game, when both sides almost killed each other
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MarcX
Profile Joined February 2005
Netherlands772 Posts
November 07 2006 21:54 GMT
#44
It's possible without vision, however, you can't set it up without knowing where the mine is.

Fun trick, useless in a real game.
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Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
November 07 2006 23:50 GMT
#45
If you dt rush, and you make it to their natural, and they try to fight off your harrass with mines, you'll know exactly where every mine is.

If you can do it without vision, I don't see how this WOULDN'T be useful
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MyLostTemple *
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2921 Posts
November 08 2006 00:34 GMT
#46
i can not believe you people are saying this is useless

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IntoTheWow
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is awesome32277 Posts
November 08 2006 00:38 GMT
#47
Terrans usually spread mines in luna for example. They put their first 3 mines in a row. Using this after getting hit once can get you a very good advantage.
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nitram
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada5412 Posts
November 08 2006 00:43 GMT
#48
have you seen when toss players use 2 goons to kill mines without observers by constantly hitting attack, stop, attack, stop. This causes the goons to move only a little bit untill the mine pops up, then the goon will have enough time to shoot it be4 it goes off
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Profile Joined August 2004
Canada1255 Posts
November 08 2006 00:52 GMT
#49
The zealots one is so nice
SCNewb
Profile Joined June 2006
Canada2210 Posts
November 08 2006 01:01 GMT
#50
pretty cool vid

thanks mdt
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merz
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Sweden2760 Posts
November 08 2006 01:26 GMT
#51
Would be cool if someone invented some kind of ob / dtrush (gas costs T_T) and did this early game to a FD opening.
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skyglow1
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
New Zealand3962 Posts
November 08 2006 02:12 GMT
#52
On November 08 2006 03:55 DaZe wrote:
its the basic hold move scenario ;o


No you don't even need to use hold. The other guys have already explained how it works.
Polemarch
Profile Joined August 2005
Canada1564 Posts
November 08 2006 02:58 GMT
#53
On November 08 2006 10:26 meRz wrote:
Would be cool if someone invented some kind of ob / dtrush (gas costs T_T) and did this early game to a FD opening.


if you're getting obs you might as well get a shuttle and dt drop first in most cases i think. i can definitely see this being useful after a DT drop though, following up with obs to slash mines to delay terran's recovery
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skyglow1
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
New Zealand3962 Posts
November 08 2006 03:06 GMT
#54
On November 08 2006 06:54 MarcX wrote:
It's possible without vision, however, you can't set it up without knowing where the mine is.

Fun trick, useless in a real game.


How would you do it without vision?
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
November 08 2006 03:28 GMT
#55
On November 08 2006 12:06 skyglow1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2006 06:54 MarcX wrote:
It's possible without vision, however, you can't set it up without knowing where the mine is.

Fun trick, useless in a real game.


How would you do it without vision?


Actually if you know the enemy laid mines outside but you don't know exactly where you can still see a tiny little discoloration when a unit is burrowed. lings, lurkers, anything. Just have to look really hard.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
November 08 2006 05:25 GMT
#56
Regardless you would need vision, otherwise your dt won't go after it. The whole trick is that the dt automatically attacks the mine before it triggers it.
joohyunee
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
Korea (South)1087 Posts
November 08 2006 05:58 GMT
#57
awesome
Leath
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Canada1724 Posts
November 08 2006 06:18 GMT
#58
I have done the dt thing before on a 1v1. The spider mine seems to delay switchign directions at some points and DT strikes first.
I dont know how to do it consistenly though, and its probably a waste of time
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Netherlands772 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-08 11:41:51
November 08 2006 11:38 GMT
#59
You don't need vision. You need the proper angle and have to give attack command and the right timing.

I suppose you could practice for a million years and make it into another standard micro gimmick, but terrans would simply put 2 mines on top of each other etc.
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skyglow1
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
New Zealand3962 Posts
November 08 2006 13:57 GMT
#60
On November 08 2006 12:28 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2006 12:06 skyglow1 wrote:
On November 08 2006 06:54 MarcX wrote:
It's possible without vision, however, you can't set it up without knowing where the mine is.

Fun trick, useless in a real game.


How would you do it without vision?


Actually if you know the enemy laid mines outside but you don't know exactly where you can still see a tiny little discoloration when a unit is burrowed. lings, lurkers, anything. Just have to look really hard.


I've tried looking really really really hard but I couldn't see it like with a lurker. Can someone screen shot a piece of ground before and after putting like a lurker there then use the differennce command to see if theres any difference between the 2 pics??
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
November 08 2006 14:10 GMT
#61
On November 08 2006 22:57 skyglow1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2006 12:28 CharlieMurphy wrote:
On November 08 2006 12:06 skyglow1 wrote:
On November 08 2006 06:54 MarcX wrote:
It's possible without vision, however, you can't set it up without knowing where the mine is.

Fun trick, useless in a real game.


How would you do it without vision?


Actually if you know the enemy laid mines outside but you don't know exactly where you can still see a tiny little discoloration when a unit is burrowed. lings, lurkers, anything. Just have to look really hard.


I've tried looking really really really hard but I couldn't see it like with a lurker. Can someone screen shot a piece of ground before and after putting like a lurker there then use the differennce command to see if theres any difference between the 2 pics??


you probably won't see it in a messy tile (dirt, grass w/e) You will see it in a clean tile like instalation. ever played the ums laser tag w/ lings? you'll know what I mean. or paintball for that matter.
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skyglow1
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
New Zealand3962 Posts
November 08 2006 15:24 GMT
#62
On November 08 2006 23:10 evanthebouncy~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2006 22:57 skyglow1 wrote:
On November 08 2006 12:28 CharlieMurphy wrote:
On November 08 2006 12:06 skyglow1 wrote:
On November 08 2006 06:54 MarcX wrote:
It's possible without vision, however, you can't set it up without knowing where the mine is.

Fun trick, useless in a real game.


How would you do it without vision?


Actually if you know the enemy laid mines outside but you don't know exactly where you can still see a tiny little discoloration when a unit is burrowed. lings, lurkers, anything. Just have to look really hard.


I've tried looking really really really hard but I couldn't see it like with a lurker. Can someone screen shot a piece of ground before and after putting like a lurker there then use the differennce command to see if theres any difference between the 2 pics??


you probably won't see it in a messy tile (dirt, grass w/e) You will see it in a clean tile like instalation. ever played the ums laser tag w/ lings? you'll know what I mean. or paintball for that matter.


Oh thats too bad. I was hoping to counter hold lurkers by staring very hard at dirt terrain lol. It would look too hackish anyway and you'd get alot of accusations of hack T_T
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
November 08 2006 17:11 GMT
#63
only read first page but you know observer works just aswell as vision smart guys
LastWish
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
2015 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-11-08 19:10:49
November 08 2006 19:10 GMT
#64
I invented it on my own two year ago when my PvT build was always :
10 : gas
12: gate
15? core
...
the both robo and citadel about the same time
and up to 2 gateways afterwards -> up to a 4 dt drop with observer
With 10 gas you have enough to build all and even a dragoon or two would fit in
Too bad vs 2 fact vult, but then I can to builing blocking the ramp with only pylon if there was great danger.
Only trick attacking the mines from horisontal or vertical position, nothing else.


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