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My_Digital_Toss
Korea (South)267 Posts
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Ivory Coast856 Posts
just saw the game, awesome who was who tho? | ||
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Sadir
Vatican City State1176 Posts
impressive | ||
Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
I imagine if his opponent actually used his probes to attack instead of running them towards and then away from kingdom's goons, he would have had a better chance of winning --;; still, that's some insane micro. | ||
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anch
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zulu_nation8
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ZaplinG
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especially with ranged goons... | ||
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Australia6103 Posts
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Alborz
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Aukai
United States1183 Posts
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comebackGyunTae
Korea (South)76 Posts
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exalted
United States3612 Posts
On November 05 2006 01:24 ZaplinG wrote: We v-tec players have been doing micro like this for yeaarrss. especially with ranged goons... wow u r truly pro | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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thedeadhaji
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PoP
France15446 Posts
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United States2007 Posts
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Storchen
Sweden4385 Posts
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ButterCake
Thailand192 Posts
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
G Fucking G! | ||
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Poland5130 Posts
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Austria1763 Posts
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Greece3359 Posts
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Vietnam711 Posts
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
especially when you only have 3 goons to play with ZaplinG said them v-tec players could do that no problem I havent played v-tec or know what it is but i could do goon control just same like the video fine, when i ONLY have goons to play with that is | ||
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Vin{MBL}
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mYm.Alpine
United States465 Posts
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In)Spire
United States1323 Posts
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Night[Mare
Mexico4793 Posts
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TT1_banned
Canada1206 Posts
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ChoboCop
United States954 Posts
On November 05 2006 01:24 ZaplinG wrote: We v-tec players have been doing micro like this for yeaarrss. especially with ranged goons... You're right. How could we have missed the crazy innovation and skill required to play the V-TEC UMS?! We are truly foolish. Thanks for enlightening us, especially about ranged goon vs melee micro! | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On November 05 2006 04:38 Guybrush wrote: Long time since I've seen this one, I believe it was a KT-KTF or YATGK MSL match. Definitely a classic. 2nd kt-ktf. | ||
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iOi
Canada1255 Posts
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
It wasn't only the goon micro that was impressive, for example putting his probe next to Rage's gateway to stop the goon from moving out might well have won him the game... | ||
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joohyunee
Korea (South)1087 Posts
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Seraphim
United States4467 Posts
thanks digital toss <3 | ||
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gg_hertzz
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lololol
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The other player knowing that he has to hold 1 attack, instead of getting more cannons, built zealots(just wtf?), not to mention he moved his probes back and forth without any real purpose other than losing them to the dragoons, without doing damage. | ||
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skyglow1
New Zealand3962 Posts
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PoP
France15446 Posts
On November 05 2006 22:46 lololol wrote: Both players played very bad... one cannon placed closer to the nexus, could've saved it from the dts, even if it's started after he saw the other did not protect it, instead he waited for the observatory to finish and an observer to come out, which took more time and he lost the nexus. Well obviously that's not what the pimp part is about. Kingdom did screw up completely against those early DTs. The other player knowing that he has to hold 1 attack, instead of getting more cannons, built zealots(just wtf?) He was probably a bit short on gas after making continuous DTs out of 2 gates. 2/3 zealots are pretty good against mass probes as well. not to mention he moved his probes back and forth without any real purpose other than losing them to the dragoons, without doing damage. I think his purpose was mainly to hold him off a bit while new troups were being produced. Of course his micro and choices were far from perfect and he could have defended, but to have such a comeback you need imperfect play (just like in the famous Boxer/Joyo game). You've gotta give credits to Kingdom's flawless probes/goons micro. Esp the probes. One slight mistake and it was over. I actually think most other pros would have failed, except maybe Reach/Ra. | ||
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DarK]N[exuS
China1441 Posts
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Dexxus
United States329 Posts
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KrAzYfoOL
Australia3037 Posts
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
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Evilmonkey.
United States1628 Posts
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CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
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roMAD
Russia2355 Posts
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Raidern
Brazil3811 Posts
it was from KT-KTF hahaa rage was like 0-4 and didn't have win a single game, when he was winning that happened hahaha. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
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Zea!
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pyrogenetix
China5094 Posts
On November 05 2006 01:24 ZaplinG wrote: We v-tec players have been doing micro like this for yeaarrss. especially with ranged goons... yes thats probably why youre playing sc in korea as a full time progamer right? | ||
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BlueOgre
Vatican City State16 Posts
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Knickknack
United States1187 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25977 Posts
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SCNewb
Canada2210 Posts
thanks MDT | ||
ManaBlue
Canada10458 Posts
 Awesome game. Best PvP I've ever seen. | ||
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ZaplinG
United States3818 Posts
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BeaTeR
Kazakhstan4130 Posts
My_digital_toss, you are doing a great job releasing such a cool videos, much love from me! | ||
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CoralReefer
Canada2069 Posts
On November 06 2006 21:49 ZaplinG wrote: Chobocop: Are you suggesting V-tec doesnt require insane amounts of skill that most people cannot even begin to dream about? Because if you are, you are wrong. I havn't played it seriously in about 2 years, but I am almost 99% sure I could still take anyone here. he's right. i dreamed about V-tec last night. needless to say, i have to do the laundry today. | ||
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Wasabi
United States3085 Posts
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lightman
United States731 Posts
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lololol
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On November 05 2006 23:02 PoP wrote: Well obviously that's not what the pimp part is about. Kingdom did screw up completely against those early DTs. He was probably a bit short on gas after making continuous DTs out of 2 gates. 2/3 zealots are pretty good against mass probes as well. I think his purpose was mainly to hold him off a bit while new troups were being produced. Of course his micro and choices were far from perfect and he could have defended, but to have such a comeback you need imperfect play (just like in the famous Boxer/Joyo game). You've gotta give credits to Kingdom's flawless probes/goons micro. Esp the probes. One slight mistake and it was over. I actually think most other pros would have failed, except maybe Reach/Ra. I agree he had top notch micro, but the thing that spoiles it for me is that the whole situation was generated by mistakes. | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
^^ That was hell of a game, all the excitement and tention! Who cares if it's not "pimp" or "uber micro technique". Think about the arbiter recall game of rA... | ||
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pyrogenetix
China5094 Posts
On November 06 2006 21:49 ZaplinG wrote: For the rest: Don't get me wrong - Kingdom pulled amazing micro here under intense pressure and it should be noticed and respected thoroughly. well then im terribly sorry we all misunderstood ur cocky half assed attention whoring for something it wasnt. | ||
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iD.NicKy
France767 Posts
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viejo
Chile49 Posts
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ZaplinG
United States3818 Posts
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
On November 05 2006 08:48 Orome wrote: Like the fourth time I've watched this now, I love this game. :O It wasn't only the goon micro that was impressive, for example putting his probe next to Rage's gateway to stop the goon from moving out might well have won him the game... Also, did you catch when the goon count was cut to 3, and he wiggled out that 2 zealot 14 probe pinch and he did the goon trap earlier in the game with the 1st Rage dragoon too. Then the second dragoon came out and he lost his weak goon to it before killing it. Then the 3rd dragoon that came out got probed hardcore... How stylishly Kingdom. Probe God. Can't believe some people are just so annoying. "Oh it's so normal and nothing special". Yeah? Find me one other progaming game like that one. Goon Dancing like a fuckn Champ. Like Evan said.. elegant grapevine baby~ That's how the stupidest ai in the game walks. Art | ||
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decafchicken
United States20008 Posts
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Painbringer
Norway446 Posts
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Xeofreestyler
Belgium6768 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
On November 07 2006 06:35 ZaplinG wrote: Haha, why does this offend you so much? Calming down seems to be your best solution right now. As for me, this topic has officially been JLIGd ^_^ Probably offends him because you're being an arrogant dick. "V-tec players" are NOTHING SPECIAL and you seem to bring it up time and time again. I've played v-tec, easily one of my favorite UMS games, since about '99 or so, back in the good ol' days of templars, cloaked kerri's, and recall, all the way through techniques/evolution, and played in the east op channels (that they kept changing the name of), and everytime I'd play with those people(I forget most names, but brittney, gambit, come to mind), it was pretty consistent; they were terrible at the game of SC itself (all were BGH/moneymappers), but extremely good on one single UMS map that they had the warp timing and fog of war timing down pat(and even then, I'd still beat them just fine). Good micro, sure, but NOT FUCKING SPECIAL at all. They simply played the shit out of the only game they knew how to play, and thus, were fucking good at it, but that's it. I honestly don't ever want to hear you overglorifying them ever again, ever. You're not special because you played V-tec, and no one gives a shit. | ||
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United States2916 Posts
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
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tKd_
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
I was searching for it but couldn't find the map. If anyone could PM me with the V-Tech map, I'd love em. | ||
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KwarK
United States42420 Posts
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Adaptation
Canada427 Posts
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Flaccid
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
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Day[9]
United States7366 Posts
On November 05 2006 01:24 ZaplinG wrote: We v-tec players have been doing micro like this for yeaarrss. especially with ranged goons... rofl | ||
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BrutalMenace
United States1237 Posts
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ZaplinG
United States3818 Posts
What ID did you use? Did you know Brittany was a smurf? Haha, kinda like Zia here, but for only about 3 years not 5 ^^;. But I believe you have misconceptions about V-tec. There were many excellent melee players in the bunch. And spells were the most imbalanced things ever Once west combined with east and enhanced/evolutions came out, the game dramatically changed. You could no longer win just by sheer solo skill, unless the skill gap was huge. It forced the game into more of a team-oriented sort of deal.I'll edit out my former posts. They seem to be causing too much of a ruckus. Sorry if I offended anyone, that was not my intent. Not just the ultimate paintball UMS, Superjong, the ultimate UMS ever -.- | ||
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MaZza[KIS]
Australia2110 Posts
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HeadBangaa
United States6512 Posts
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KrAzYfoOL
Australia3037 Posts
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Oxygen
Canada3581 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
On November 07 2006 18:30 ZaplinG wrote: What ID did you use? Several different ones over the years. Did you know Brittany was a smurf? Haha, kinda like Zia here, but for only about 3 years not 5 ^^;. Of course, I always thought it was kinda obvious... But I believe you have misconceptions about V-tec. There were many excellent melee players in the bunch. Not that I ever saw... most were money mappers, and the ones that weren't were very pub level players. I'll edit out my former posts. They seem to be causing too much of a ruckus. Sorry if I offended anyone, that was not my intent. I don't doubt it wasn't your intent, but it was still arrogant. You share the same unwarrented elitist attitude most tec players had, and it drove me crazy to no end... they were pretty much the BGH-equivolent of UMS players; immature one map ponies with lots of ego, completely oblivious to just how little everyone else thought of them. Not just the ultimate paintball UMS, Superjong, the ultimate UMS ever -.- That's one thing we agree on. ^_^ | ||
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skyglow1
New Zealand3962 Posts
On November 05 2006 22:46 lololol wrote:not to mention he moved his probes back and forth without any real purpose other than losing them to the dragoons, without doing damage. He had to do that. If he didn't attack with his probes, the goons are free to pick off the probes while his unit is still building from his gateway. Once the goons had been pushed beyond the choke, there was no point in attacking anymore because the goons had free space to move around, so he had to retreat at that point. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
PS. Kingdom would own anyone in VTEC. | ||
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pyrogenetix
China5094 Posts
On November 08 2006 03:06 KissBlade wrote: PS. Kingdom would own anyone in VTEC. damn fucking straight | ||
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Guybrush
Spain4744 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10371 Posts
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Dendra
Croatia801 Posts
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MarcX
Netherlands772 Posts
We are omfging because of the comeback, not because of the micro which is indeed progamer level and can *NOT* be easily matched by some random "solid" player. These guys are professionals for a reason. | ||
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Dendra
Croatia801 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
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ZaplinG
United States3818 Posts
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ZaplinG
United States3818 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25977 Posts
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ZaplinG
United States3818 Posts
00:24 He sends probes to mine again to mask the counter attack while building an observatory as well as get a few more dollars for more goons 00:44 Observer is comming out and he moves probes out to block dark templars retreat path north east while covering south/south west with dragoons. (Or perhaps he is trying to stall the destruction of his nexus by offering probe kills instead) 00:50 Rage notices this and starts taking swipes at the probes. Kingdom begins to dance around with them to slow the killing down. 00:54 The casualties were beginning to be too costly, so he sends probes back to mine while moving goons to cover all retreat lanes. 01:08 The observer finally comes out and Kingdom, instead of firing right away and giving the DT time to escape, manually moves closer with his goons to get a few extra shots in. 01:12-17 Kingdom is able to kill one of the DTs with great sherb micro (using the cooldown time to move and stay in range instead of just standing there reaquiring the target) and take the other to near death 01:17 Scouts with probe to see if an all-in counter attack is possible. DTs have walled the base in and Kingdom is unable to get more info than that. 01:18 Based on that information, Kingdom decides to go for it instead of typing out. (Showing some great big balls here) 01:28 Rage is able to see the goons going for the counter attack and prepares by putting up cannons/making zealots. 01:40 Rage sends the weak dark templar back to see excatly what is comming at him. He now knows Kingdom is also attacking with his probes. 01:46 Rage determines he needs more cannons to help. 01:55 Kingdom waits with his initial dragoons for his probes + observer and spreads them out in a parabolic shape (semi-circle) to create a focal point for increased expected damage just incase Rage comes out before Kingdom attacks. 02:10 The probes are now arriving and the observer cuts midway into Rage's base to scout. 02:15 Kingdom sees 2 warped and 2 warping cannons and decides to attack now with drilled probes + goons before those 2 cannons finish. 02:18 A third cannon is online now, but Rage makes a micro mistake and retreats with his dts/zealots only to turn around again to attack the goons. 02:20 Note here that Rage manually shoots that observer with his middle cannon, but was unable to control the newly spawned right cannon too to finish it off. Kingdom is able to pull it back and save it. If he had managed to kill this observer, the game would have been over. 02:20 Kingdom undrills his probes and locks the left-most cannon with them, while sending 4 down to his main goons to help with the dts/zealots. 02:24 Rage knows he can no longer hold the choke and sends his remaining ground forces (2 dts) back to safety. 02:26 Mico mistake again by Rage. The dt that he saved by retreating 2 seconds before were not told to hold position. Rage moved his screen to send out his probes, and in this time the DT autoretargeted the goons and start heading back towards them resulting in the death of both and now exposed probes. 02:28 The leftmost cannon is destroyed by probes. Since there are no more DT's in the area, Kingdom retreats his observer to a safer position. 02:30 Rage's drilled-probes ignore Kingdom's probes and head straight for his goons trying to get behind them and trap them. Kingdom notices this and pulls back his goons to allow himself an escape route. 02:33 The middle cannon goes down to probes, but the left-warping cannon now comes online. Rage thinks he is in the same situation as before and continues to attack the goons with probes, but the way the cannons are now positioned allows the goons to not be able to be trapped in the choke anymore. Kingdom realizes this and stops retreating with his goons and starts going forward again. 02:36 Rage now realizes this too and stops attacking the goons. He instead goes for the pack of probes who are destroying the cannons. 02:40 Kingdom capitalizes with his now-free goons and helps the probes kill the right cannon. Rage moves his probes left in a retreating feint (he is really setting up a counter with his new zealots that have spawned) 02:43 Kingdom falls for the feint by not retreating himself and loses all but 3 goons and a couple probes. or does he? Kingdom realizes what is happening, but determines that losing 2 goons yet killing the last cannon is a good trade. 02:45 Rage thinks he has Kingdom fallen for his feint and continues to press with it. Kingdom shows great goon micro and is able to score a couple free kills. 02:48 Rage now realizes the situation he is in and retreats, setting up for yet another feint. 02:56 Kingdom falls for the feint again and overcommits his goons. Rage drills his probes to try to take the advantage. 02:59 Kingdom catches his mistake in time and starts to retreat to the safety of outside Rage's base. 03:02 Rage makes another mistake here undrilling too early in an effort to catch the middle dragoon. Kingdom sees this and takes advantage of it by manually retreating the dragoon in danger. He then presses on Rage's mistake and scores a couple of probe kills. 03:05 Rage realizes his mistake and sends his men back, taking casualties while doing so. He is trying to retreat in time with the arrival of his dragoon, but is a milisecond too early. 03:08 At this point, Rage has retreated too far. His dragoon comming out will be cut off from his main army and will take serious damage before being able to join it. 03:10 Kingdom gets lucky (yes, thats right. he could not have known the dragoon was comming right then out of that gateway) and is able to take full advantage of it+Rage's mistake of retreating too far by trapping the goon in with his 2 remaining probes. Rage does not realize it has happened yet and does nothing to save it. 03:12 Rage now sees it and frantically tries to move away, but is unable to. He send out his zealots to save it and retargets the weak dragoon with his trapped one. however... kingdom notices this lock and wisely retreats the dragoon. 03:12 The zealots have killed a probe freeing the trapped dragoon, but the dragoon is still locked on kingdoms now-retreated dragoon. This pulls Rage's goon and Kingdom is able to finish it off with his other goons. 03:14 Rage had sent back the weak DT that was scouting and it now finally has made it. Kingdom notices it quickly (only after 1 attack) and is able to demolish it with 2 well timed group shots. 03:16 Rage once again retreats his zealots, giving the goons free range (is an ok play) but then makes the mistake of sending them back towards the 3 dragoons + probe with no probe support of his own. 03:19 Noticing the mistake, Rage pulls them back. Kingdom now presses on this and is able to manage a couple sherb shots as well as kill on of the many probes comming out to defend. 03:22 Rage finishes building a dragoon, but does not issue the attack command for another 2 seconds. Kingdom uses this time to kill more probes. It is also now apparent that Rage is going to try one last final attack now with his probes+dragoon+zealots. 03:24 Kingdom knows this force Rage has now is too much for his 3 weak goons, so instead of retreating (the play most people would make) he decides to focus on the thing that can hurt him the worst before it gets into motion: the new dragoon. He moves his dragoons left instead of down and begins to target the dragoon. Rage does not realize at this point that if he loses that dragoon he will be outmicroed and continues to attack. 03:26 The new dragoon scores a lucky kill on Kingdoms weakest dragoon as the auto AI picked up on it first because of the positioning it was in. Not quite a micro mistake, per-say, from Kingdom - he just didnt have enough time to switch them around. 03:28 Kingdom realizes he could be trapped by the oncomming probes and sherbs _away_ from the danger. (For me, this is the best micro part in the game. Sherbing is such a fast technique that you normally do not have time to relock the same target every shot in addition to moving in the direction you want. If they try, most people just either miss and cause a shot error or they overload the dragoons AI and cause them to stall. Kingdom, however, does it flawlessly here.) 03:31 The new dragoon goes down. Rage desperately tries to compensate by trying to trap a dragoon against the choke wall, but fails. 03:37 Rage is forced to retreat and wait for his new dragoon to come out. 03:43 Kingdom rides this retreat and is able to kill a zealot. 03:48 Another mistake from Rage, as he blocks his zealot from retreat with his own mining probe. The trailing goons/probe catch up and exterminate it. 03:48-4:08 Kingdom takes advantage of no combat units for Rage and scores a couple more probe kills. During this time, Rage runs north east to north west to south behind the mineral lines with his probes. In the effort of preserving his probes like this, Kingdom must know now that Rage has something building and about to appear from his gateways. He stops chasing the probes directly and heads south, back to the gateways. 04:08 Sure enough, a dragoon spawned for Rage. It now has ample probe support due to his excellent positioning in the seconds beforehand. He will be able to defend. 04:12 BUT WAIT, WHATS THIS? Rage mismicroes AGAIN and send his probes to attack without first clearing a path for his dragoon to retreat. Kingdom picks up on this and uses it to his advantage. His remaining attacking probe blocks the forward advancement of the dragoon and he moves his goons just out of reach for Rage. (he has range, while Rage doesnt). 4:14 The last of Kingdom's probes join the mix and add to the wall for the new dragoon. By now, it is in the red from Kingdom's goons. 4:16 Kingdom's goons pull back to deal with the probes that are just now becomming a threat while his remaining probes finish off the weak dragoon. 4:30 GG from Rage [For the people who do not see what is going on and think this is just 'standard micro play' ^_^ If anyone sees something I missed, please tell me so I can edit it in] [Chill: V-tec is a different sort of micro. You would not understand everything that was happening unless someone told you. That goes for all sports, not just silly UMS games. Trying to compare myself to Kingdom is impossible and im not even remotely trying to. Apples are not oranges even though they are both fruit. Now please, enough about it, everyone, and lets get back to the great video posted] | ||
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zobz
Canada2175 Posts
you mean to seperate yourself from the doubters of the vod, and proove your objectivity in your ability to appretiate kingdom's skill while stating at the same time the superiority of v-tech micro. | ||
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lawl mart
United States1289 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22251 Posts
On November 08 2006 10:06 ZaplinG wrote: Chill: V-tec is a different sort of micro. No, it isn't. At all. There are going to be some obvious nuances, as is the case with virtually any UMS game, but that's it. Nothing more, nothing less. Now please get your goddamn head out of your ass and lose the pride/ego, you're acting like a typical newbie east pub moneymapper, and I've had about enough of it. V-tec is a fun UMS, probably my favorite UMS of all time to be perfectly honest with you, but that's really all it is; there is nothing special about the people who played it; I know this from firsthand experience. Your over-compensation attempts for your previous retarded, now editted, comments are cute, though.. I actually like the analysis. | ||
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DarK]N[exuS
China1441 Posts
On November 08 2006 05:04 Dendra wrote: that micro was nothing special,every solid player can do 2x better than thatg This statement makes me think that you are a complete newb. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
and zapling comes in and starts talking crazy shit about v-tec (which nobody's heard of, for good reason, and after reading ETT's summary of it it sounds not even worth mentioning) equivalent of me going to watch the nba, seeing kobe dunk on someone then walking into a sports bar as they are discussing the lakers and saying hey, i've seen better at the local gym i play at, its a different kind of basketball, you can't really compare it, kobe would take hardcore practicing to beat these guys and me do you know how ridiculous you sound zapling haha | ||
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ZaplinG
United States3818 Posts
Hot_bid: I realized my comments before were unwarrented and removed them because I no longer feel that way. You also seem to think ETT does not like the game, which is quite the opposite of how he feels. Edit: There is no mention of anything like that in the analysis hot_bid. I even ask at the bottom to help me make it better by saying if i missed something | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
edit: you say at the end "this is to show its standard micro play" and earlier in the thread you said "v-tec players have been doing this for years" i think that your implications are pretty clear edit2: and i realize that ETT likes whatever random UMS, everyone like UMS... i just don't think it has anything to do with this video and comparing to the video is pointless, esp. with the way you brought it up, out of nowhere, like zomg v-tec players!! that's all i said, vtec should not be mentioned at all | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
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NotJumperer
United States1371 Posts
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ZaplinG
United States3818 Posts
And you are right about it having nothing to do with this video. That is why I edited my posts out. Stop pretending they are still there and that I am still defending that position, please. Also, I could compare this to Dota/war3 instead since most people here are familiar with it. V-tec = Dota, war3 = Starcraft. Now tell me they have the same micro and that pro war3 players can automatically start playing and winning vs the dota pros. Jumperer: I could say to you "No one gives a damn about shitty Egypt", but that would not be very nice, now, would it? Stop attacking me and I'll stop defending myself. I have already admited I was out of line earlier. | ||
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Dendra
Croatia801 Posts
On November 08 2006 14:50 Mortality wrote: The micro was amazing. Anyone who disagrees is crazy. No foreigner can do that so perfectly. rofl,i disagree,there are zillions of talented players out there,it's only question would they be able to cope with the pressure. u'r making an elephant out of a fly just because its kings of bw,the progamers. if u obs any brilliant non-kor player u'd c alot more crazy stuff,it's just not recorded as a vod and they ain't got famous names so their micro is forgotten. i ain't saying toss didn't do nice micro,i'm just sayin ppl have done x better micros. also i doubt kingdom planned to go counter cuz he tried to save his nexus with probe micro,which failed,so once his nex was dead he switched to do or die mode. | ||
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DarK]N[exuS
China1441 Posts
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Insane
United States4991 Posts
On November 08 2006 15:46 ZaplinG wrote: And you are right about it having nothing to do with this video. That is why I edited my posts out. Stop pretending they are still there and that I am still defending that position, please. Great, glad to see you abandoning your retarded position (or at least shutting up about it). Oh wait... Also, I could compare this to Dota/war3 instead since most people here are familiar with it. V-tec = Dota, war3 = Starcraft. Now tell me they have the same micro and that pro war3 players can automatically start playing and winning vs the dota pros. . And then of course you go RIGHT FUCKING BACK to where you were before where progamers are incapable of playing V-Tec. Woohoo.  | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27139 Posts
Thanks for the awsome video MDT, you always make interesting posts. | ||
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QuietIdiot
7004 Posts
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ZaplinG
United States3818 Posts
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PauL_JoneS
United States373 Posts
People who're shitting on Kingdom's micro are complete idiots. B.net pubbie UMS compared to a Pro game where there's shit at stake lol ;\ | ||
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Zalfor
United States1035 Posts
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ScorpioN-
Portugal1 Post
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lykk
China38 Posts
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OctoPuSs
Canada5279 Posts
On December 20 2006 06:28 lykk wrote: omg rage sucks Damn, and I thought this bump was going to be so insightful. | ||
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Vin{MBL}
5185 Posts
On December 20 2006 07:15 OctoPuSs wrote: Damn, and I thought this bump was going to be so insightful. me too | ||
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Lycaeus
United States1420 Posts
On December 20 2006 07:15 OctoPuSs wrote: Damn, and I thought this bump was going to be so insightful. he could probably be discussing the decline in rage's skill and an attempt at wanting to spread it out with discussions of his play. or he could just be an idiot. | ||
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ROOTheognis
United States4482 Posts
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Foresaken_Foreskin
Canada92 Posts
NO ONE WILL EVER USE GOONS THAT EFFECTIVELY :D unless.. u follow my quote! | ||
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pzeta
Spain106 Posts
I really enjoy watching it!!!! It's the best awesome micro i have seen. if you analize the replay, you realize that kingdom play very smart. there are a lot of details that kingdom does i had not seen the second time i have seen it. | ||
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-Carlodajin-
Peru235 Posts
8. Dec 4 Free (P) vs UpMagic (T) on Longinus 2006 SKY Proleague Term 2 Hanbit Stars vs E-Stro | ||
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satanslittlehelper
United States114 Posts
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GaG[SharKy]
New Zealand221 Posts
On November 08 2006 17:42 Manifesto7 wrote: Good lord, shut up everyone. Thanks for the awsome video MDT, you always make interesting posts. i concur. | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On December 20 2006 07:15 OctoPuSs wrote: Damn, and I thought this bump was going to be so insightful. it was | ||
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Cpt Obvious
Germany3073 Posts
it was good micro, but i've seen better. really nothing special imho. and plz, for heaven's sake, don't start flaming again, its MY opinion. and i did in no way say that i can do it in any way this good ^^ | ||
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Myxomatosis
United States2392 Posts
On December 20 2006 13:31 pr0n- wrote: seriously, i have seen amateur players pull very similar things with goons, even less impressive considering he had not a thing to do except microing the shit out of his last units. it was good micro, but i've seen better. really nothing special imho. and plz, for heaven's sake, don't start flaming again, its MY opinion. and i did in no way say that i can do it in any way this good ^^ it may be your opinion, doesn't change the fact your claim has absolutely no validity, but yeah, its definitely your opinion. | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
but it's not a bad thing to bump. Too classic | ||
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We Are Here
Australia1810 Posts
On November 08 2006 14:58 Jumperer wrote: no one gives a damn about shitty V-tec isnt v-tec the valve technology in cars? :s, someone explain please? On November 07 2006 08:40 tKd_ wrote: what the heck is v-tec On November 07 2006 08:44 SuperJongMan wrote: The Ultimate Paint Ball UMS. I was searching for it but couldn't find the map. If anyone could PM me with the V-Tech map, I'd love em. Edit:nvm | ||
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ilovezil
United States4143 Posts
On December 20 2006 06:28 lykk wrote: omg rage sucks I detect yet another victim on my bandar... pr0n-, as people have already stated, this is WAAY different than a public game on b.net. The game is being played on a whole different level, meaning that even though the skills seem to be the "same" as games any two x17er tosses battle, it isn't. | ||
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hefty
Denmark555 Posts
Any way to download it? | ||
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humblegar
Norway883 Posts
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EntertainMe
864 Posts
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pyrogenetix
China5094 Posts
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Cpt Obvious
Germany3073 Posts
On February 08 2007 04:23 pyrogenetix wrote: lol capt obvious digging his own grave in this one too eh? the two of us would make for such an awesome rehash of the Dark]N[exus - zulu_nation8 pair, you know? OMG YOU STALKER | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
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Taiche
France1963 Posts
What you will see is completely different (IMHO) : + Show Spoiler + Free has 4 goons, 2 are ahead and are shooting at a marine. Then a mine pops up in front of these 2 goons and almost immediately the 2 others target the mine while Free moves the first 2 goons at the same time. It is very impressive because of the reaction time and the perfect execution but it is not related to what is shown in this topic. I think. | ||
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pyrogenetix
China5094 Posts
On February 08 2007 05:24 Cpt Obvious wrote: the two of us would make for such an awesome rehash of the Dark]N[exus - zulu_nation8 pair, you know? OMG YOU STALKER lol hahaha ok ok i take back the shit i was throwing on u but seriously dude how can u not be impressed by that pimp pimp shit?!?!?! =D i mean srsly gotta put in prespective theyre under soem huge pressure lolz | ||
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Locke.
Israel562 Posts
On December 20 2006 16:54 EntertainMe wrote: That was godly micro by Kingdom... back then. Nothing special today. And I agree with Free's goon dance vs UpMagic is another revolutionary micro. Free stunned everyone including the commentators. That's nonsense. It was brilliant micro back then and it's brilliant now. Please show us more of those "nothing special" moves.. | ||
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