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dont think this belongs in the draft experts thread so
ill post the teams/people after every round.
1st round
sclegacy-sen
reps.ru-sea.finepix
gg.net-white-ra
broodwar.de-sea.jang
pgr21-nal_keke
teamliquid-kosiro[shield]
ygclan-in_dove
fighterforum-tempest)is(
2nd round
fighterforum-only[s.g]
ygclan-s2[fou]
teamliquid-siz)fantasy
pgr21-polaris[arnc]
bw.de-zergstory_namoo
gg.net-testie (and they noted that he will be playing random)
reps.ru-siz)cozy
sclegacy-sea.pie
3rd round
sclegacy-super
reps.ru-nal_paris
gg.net-Mondragon
bw.de-hitemup[name]
pgr21-siz)o.ov
teamliquid-lx
ygclan-pj
fighterforum-kimtaerang
4th round
fighterforum-active
ygclan-hullah
teamliquid-plto
pgr21-midian
bw.de-Iloveyoukh
gg.net-ex
reps.ru-phoenix66
sclegacy-zelotito
5th round
sclegacy-day[9]
reps.ru-reason
gg.net-raven
bw.de-squall
pgr21-kaaz
teamliquid-ret
ygclan-Fenix
fighterforum-draco
6th round
fighterforum-nal_crayon
ygclan-sarens
teamliquid-theognis
pgr21-idra[media]
bw.de-notforu[s2]
gg.net-pomi
reps.ru-legionnaire
sclegacy-lastgosu
7th round
sclegacy-incontrol
reps.ru-advokate
gg.net-suker
bw.de-strelok
pgr21-oldy
teamliquid-fisheye
ygclan-paranoid
fighterforum-quirion
8th round
fighterforum-not enough mins, gets ovvi
ygclan-odin
teamliquid-daze
pgr21-fayth
bw.de-schniblor
gg.net-darki
reps.ru-not enough mins, stuck with selector
sclegacy-gorky
teams:
sclegacy-sen,sea.pie.super, zelotito, day[9], lastgosu, incontrol, gorky
reps.ru-sea.finepix, siz)cozy,nal_paris, phoenix66, reason, legionnaire, advokate, selector
gg.net-white-ra, testie, mondragon, ex, raven, pomi, suker, darki
bw.de-sea.jang,zergstory_namoo, hitemup[name], iloveyoukh, squall, notforu, strelok, schniblor
pgr21-nal_keke, polaris[arnc],siz)o.ov, midian, kaaz, idra[media], oldy, fayth
teamliquid-kosiro[shield], siz)fantasy, lx, plto, ret, theognis, fisheye, daze
ygclan-in_dove, s2[fou], pj, hullah, fenix, sarens, paranoid, odin
fighterforum-tempest)is(, only[s.g], kimtaerang, active, draco, nal_crayon, quirion, ovvi
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round 1
sclegacy > sen @460
reps.ru > finepix @358
ggnet > white_ra @352
bw.de > sea.jang @340
pgr21 > nal_keke @376
tlnet > kosiro[shield] @272
ygclan > in_dove @440
fighterforum> Tempest)is( 334
round 2
fighterforum > only[s.g] @300 (634)
ygclan > s2[fou] @280 (716)
tlnet > siz)fantasy @292 (564)
pgr21 > polaris[arnc] @244 (620)
bw.de > zergstory_namoo @284 (624)
ggnet > testie @400 (752)
reps.ru > siz)cozy @276 (634)
sclegacy >sea.pie @322 (782)
round 3
sclegacy > super @268 (1050)
reps.ru > nal_paris @310 (1026)
ggnet > mondragon @480 (1232)
bw.de > hitemup @264 (888)
pgr21 > siz)o.ov @370 (990)
tlnet > lx @364 (928)
ygclan > pj @394
fighterforum > kimtaerang @316
i give up  should have set up a spread sheet for this
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we're not getting FA right off the bat??
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that would be a waste of a pick
no offense jonathan
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zergstory's the first pretty retarded pick imo, lots of better players left.
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Australia4514 Posts
Well-Hung-Zerg can you just edit the first post, and have the rounds in bold text to make it easy to find for everyone who reads this thread at a later date?
thx
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yes actually i like how somuchbetter is posting the results
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siz)fantasy over polaris? hrmm
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heh, the koreans are going fast 
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
ooh omg i wonder what the final TL team will be O_O
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gg net got mondi + testie lol
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hmm how good is siz)fantasy and what was his price?
edit: aaah I see now. good choice then.
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gg.net making an all-foreigner team ?
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fantasy was 292, hes on skt1, hes good.
ya gg.net prob thinks its honorable not to take any koreans or something.
hope they dont pick me i dont like losing.
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Round 2 total minerals
sclegacy@782
reps.ru@628
ggnet@752
bw.de@642
pgr21@620
tlnet@564
ygclan@720
fighterforum(@634
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weird picks are starting.
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ygclan is gonna win the tournament easy
you heard it right here ^^
edit: oh shit, i didn't see they bought pj 4th round. bad pick.
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pgr21 and reps.ru's lineups look better than ygclans atm.
ya id put money on pgr21 right now, if they have the mins to pick 1-2 more good players.
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LOL. GG.net blew 1232 minerals on 3 players. 5 to go. HF.
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"pito" is ours
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hmm, if we continue like this we will get draco cause we're the only ones that can afford him ;\
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Mani should have picked Midian, no one would steal FA anyways.
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Pj looks like a really bad pick. I don't understand why they did that. why did tl.net pick LX? these two protoss are good but not worth their minerals -_-.
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On September 16 2006 06:49 HungZerg wrote:
pgr21 and reps.ru's lineups look better than ygclans atm.
ya id put money on pgr21 right now, if they have the mins to pick 1-2 more good players.
right pgr21 has by far the best team now. but reps.ru wasted all their minerals on finepix who isn't nearly as good as the other picks.
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Taiche
France1963 Posts
Yay, FA But no Midian 
pgr21's line-up looks very strong so far (but I don't know how many minerals are left on their side).
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Taiche
France1963 Posts
On September 16 2006 06:54 haduken wrote:
Pj looks like a really bad pick. I don't understand why they did that. why did tl.net pick LX? these two protoss are good but not worth their minerals -_-.
IMO, LX is awesome but is quite underrated because he hasn't accomplished much since he's in Korea. I have seen his replays at WCG China, he looks great when he's in shape.
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On September 16 2006 06:54 haduken wrote:
Pj looks like a really bad pick. I don't understand why they did that. why did tl.net pick LX? these two protoss are good but not worth their minerals -_-.
we didnt have a toss player yet, probably why.
all the kor p's were gone at that point so lx was probably one of the better choices.
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TL is at least making pretty cheap choices which could be good. GG.net probably fucked themselves over with their first 3 picks, they have to go with ~200 for the rest.
Also perhaps we picked FA because we were happy with 3 korean players? To many migth be a problem, better to have a few players in the team that you know will care.
Edit: And we have money to burn so we'll probably end up making decent choices towards the end when we'll take some massivly overpriced person.
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On September 16 2006 06:57 Taiche wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2006 06:54 haduken wrote:
Pj looks like a really bad pick. I don't understand why they did that. why did tl.net pick LX? these two protoss are good but not worth their minerals -_-. IMO, LX is awesome but is quite underrated because he hasn't accomplished much since he's in Korea. I have seen his replays at WCG China, he looks great when he's in shape. I think lx was a good choice, imo he'll be the favorite vs most players exept mondi/sen and the top korean zergs. Besides that he can play with siz)fantasy in SKT.
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k so theyre going over the teams thus far and its boring
crayons the only korean left
a2/draco/fish are the only 'big' non kors left, along with leg's insanely high 388 mins
after that its all under 200 mins cept for some z's like squall/kaaz/inc who prob wont till near the end as everyone starts making value picks.
tl outa take squall next round, we have a decent amount of money and he looks like the best value/skill overall left. a2 would be good too but hes quite a bit pricier.
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I think nobody will pick Draco.. too expensive, unless they save points from last draft rounds
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I respect legionnaire a lot for all of what he has done in Korea, for all the help he gave at the strategy forum, and for all stories and interesting stuff he has brought to us from korea (like the leg > july's money osl final stuff), but I think tlnet shouldn't pick him because he always looks so much better offline than online, and I don't really think he is into the game anymore.
[edit] I'm 23% sure ggnet will get Reason, he worths a lot more than his price.
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so much for my theory. 3 of those z's have gone already.
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Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
GG.net has the funniest lineup
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Imo pgr21.com made the best picks on the first 3 rounds.
I think we are doing quite well, beside the LX pick. Dont get me wrong. He is a good player, but maybe his cost is a little bit too expensive compared to other possible picks.
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nah midian over fa is the only thing we shoulda done diffrent.
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wow, Fifo picked CryOn. Good lineup for Fifo.
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kickass im on the best team
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WHY THE OGNIS ??? u guys are crazy -.- choose odin for god sake!
and me 2 -.-
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for 90 less minerals ognis's value > odin's
not a bad pick but there are better.
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idra i really dont think so.... odin is by far better than ognis not to mention he have more experience in offline and online events but bleh more of the choices are based of who are the friends of the people choosing and well not everyone knows the skill of everyone
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we got fucked
they took leg
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CruiseR
Poland4014 Posts
I wonder why ParanOid isn't taken yet o_o
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Australia4514 Posts
we didn't get fucked.
i was way overpriced, it is better to get someone else.
and now when we take on reps.ru its 9 players vs 7. Mwuhahahaha
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does this mean we finished 6th in the logo contest?
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On September 16 2006 07:19 Darki[Per] wrote:
idra i really dont think so.... odin is by far better than ognis not to mention he have more experience in offline and online events but bleh more of the choices are based of who are the friends of the people choosing and well not everyone knows the skill of everyone odin isnt that much better than ognis, and offline experience doesnt matter here.
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TheOgnis good? Anyone got reps of him. I wanna see how he plays.
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On September 16 2006 07:23 HungZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2006 07:19 Darki[Per] wrote:
idra i really dont think so.... odin is by far better than ognis not to mention he have more experience in offline and online events but bleh more of the choices are based of who are the friends of the people choosing and well not everyone knows the skill of everyone odin isnt that much better than ognis, and offline experience doesnt matter here.
yes it matters because when you play offline you learn more to control your nerves anyways odin have more online experience and that matters a lot
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On September 16 2006 07:21 Legionnaire wrote:
we didn't get fucked.
i was way overpriced, it is better to get someone else.
and now when we take on reps.ru its 9 players vs 7. Mwuhahahaha Mwahaha we got undercover agents in all the teams XD
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On September 16 2006 07:21 Legionnaire wrote:
and now when we take on reps.ru its 9 players vs 7. Mwuhahahaha
i love you! :D
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fisheye
selector
fayth
oldy
gorky
darki
daze
odin
schniblor
paranoid
ovvi
quirion
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ToT)MidiaN(
England2183 Posts
tl just got screwed by having to pick so late ;/
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i hope he's hot now since he didn't qualify for wcg
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OMG, why we pick low mineral players on the eariler rounds then save them to pick fisheye?!!?
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fifo got quirion the cheapest player in the tournament!
[edit] fifo has no money for an eight player left
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PGR21.com logo is crap, how they get 5th?
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fifo doesnt have enough mins left to pick anymore players, so theyre being skipped.
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hmm if we're gonna have any chance in this ret and fish will have to be top shape ;|
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So what happens to the eight player then ? One team will get him as well ?
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On September 16 2006 07:32 HungZerg wrote:
fifo doesnt have enough mins left to pick anymore players, so theyre being skipped.
Doesn't that mean that they will have to concede 1 game everytime they play another team?
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or they get last player which is left? ;:D
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On September 16 2006 07:33 Guybrush wrote:
So what happens to the eight player then ? One team will get him as well ?
i guess it will go to fifo.
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pgr21 has a really stong team as does reps.ru. i think we are second or third best. it was a mistake not getting polaris.
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they havent explained, i assume theyll get whoever isnt picked.
which would be selector and ovvi if im not mistaken.
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On September 16 2006 07:30 new_construct wrote:
OMG, why we pick low mineral players on the eariler rounds then save them to pick fisheye?!!?
cuz the low mineral players were better than fish, ke °_° ?
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tl is dumb today, and i am not just saying this because of the draft...
edit, we should have picked schniblor instead of fisheye, he is a good z, read the WCG Germany forum.
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So its over now. This will be our roster:
Zerg - Kosiro[shield] , ret
Terran - Siz)fantasy , Daze , theognis
Protoss - LX , Plto , Fisheye
We didnt get the best team but neither the worst. I just hope for a lot of fun, altho i would have loved to see Leg in our roster.
Can´t we do trades now?
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i think tl.net will win this -_-. we got good enough players to beat anyone on other's team and we got so many of them lol. figterforum will crash and burn. their choice of pick is seriously retarded.
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I think we have too many protosses hehe
[edit] anyone knows the map pool?
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ok all rosters are done
opinions on best to worst:
pgr21
reps.ru
teamliquid
fighterforum
sclegacy
gg.net
ygclan
bw.de
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Imo FiFo and YGC will be the best.
tl.net and reps.ru are very strong also
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i think our zerg needs some trade -_-. we need at least some one like midian or mondragon will can auto-win against protoss.
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On September 16 2006 07:39 HungZerg wrote:
they havent explained, i assume theyll get whoever isnt picked.
which would be selector and ovvi if im not mistaken.
If they get the remaining player, they´ll be over the cap. Nice draft strat.
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we picked plto when we could have picked leg -.-.
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YGclan's team is incrediblly good
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LOL they get the last 2 players...
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
imho we have the worst team...
best team is fifo...
fifo will win imho
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Ya, our team is decent but no where near some of the others .
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On September 16 2006 07:46 Plexa wrote:
imho we have the worst team...
best team is fifo...
fifo will win imho
"our" team is strong, but there could have been better picks imo.
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wtf was that in the end?
the teams who didn't have money left got the players who the other teams couldn't afford anymore? lol
my opinion:
1. pgr
2. ygc
3. bw.de
4. fifo (when there were no other koreans left they picked active [lol] and then after they had picked draco they just took whoever had the coolest name apparently)
5. reps.ru (when will you ppl understand that finepix != firefist? duh)
6. tl.net
7. gg.net
8. scl
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Best roster: PGR21.com
Worst roster: BW.de
I think we can compare to a 1st round playoff team in the worst case, and conference finals team in the best scenario. But i dont think we can be considered title contenders.
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how will teams vs teams work?
7 1x1?
5 1x1 + 2 2x2?
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fighterforum getting free picks is seriously fucked. -_-. and who is s2[fou], is he nada? loool
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ToT)MidiaN(
England2183 Posts
On September 16 2006 07:47 new_construct wrote:
who is Kosiro[shield]
Used to be known as Chaos[Shield], he was on KTF proteam, I don't know if he still is. He was A+ on pgtour several times and 1650 on neo gamei. There's many replays of him on ygclan beating on progamers, and he used to be one of my very favourite zergs. He was definitely a better zerg buy than the other koreans there (except for Nal_keke, who got taken one before it was our go)
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how the hell was pgr allowed to assemble that team lol?
no offense but I think FA before Midian was a mistake, especially because pgr ended up with midian.
should be fun though.
edit
just noticed GG's team lol. rooting for them after us of course
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Btw, the logo rankings were an absolute joke.
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On September 16 2006 07:51 haduken wrote:
fighterforum getting free picks is seriously fucked. -_-. and who is s2[fou], is he nada? loool
fairy or fairly [alive], forgot which
a good z.
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Daze, FA and ret are too weak. TL.net won't win this.
PGR21 is clearly the best team here, oldy midian and kaaz are very strong and the koreans are amazing.
I can't see why so many ppl think YGClan has the best lineup... Fenix Sarens Paranoid and Odin all too weak
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we only used 1950 mins total
FiFo used 2178..
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Our mineral saving strategy clearly backfired >.<
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On September 16 2006 07:55 SiRo- wrote:we only used 1950 mins total ugh we shoulda picked one of the overpriced but still good players somewhere in the middle. This team looks so inconsistant.
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I think relatively to our spot (6th in line) we had the best picks out of everyone. Three times it happened that a player that was by far our favorite was choosen by PGR (5th). We have a strong team, but not as strong as others since we were't first to pick.
Most importantly though out of 8 players we have 0 players we are unhappy about, which is better than what goes for most other teams who all have 1-2 players they would rather not have in their team. In the ending we thought we could get leg+advocate because the other teams had no minerals but they spent their whole budget after 7 rounds and since we were 6th to pick we couldn't take those guys anymore.
We're also very glad we have 3 TL contributors in FA, Ret and Daze. We have a nice and fun team with a possible shot at some good results. The logo contest is what will probably hold us down to take the crown, though. But again I don't think any other team would have had this good of a squad when being 6th to pick.
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i think fighterforum wins this =)
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dont know if anyone really knows how difficult it was for mani/naz to select the players for this team when a) our logo got beat by a line of text and b) pgr21, the team that had the liberty of choosing before us half the time, took 3 of the exact ppl we were going to select the very next turn. that's pretty much just the surface of things, but wait for mani's writeup =]!
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nicely said naz. i still think we can make a mark because we have a good balanced team, unlike most of the others who blew their budget on their first few picks, then were scrapping the bottom of the barrel the rest of the time
and i apologize to mani for the message i sent him during the drafting
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My rank of the teams
#1SCLegacy is the best team imo. SEn, Super, Pie and ITO are very good picks. The rest are players who have atleast one MU they can do very good in ie Day ZvT iNc ZvZ
#2Bw.De. Jang, Zergstory, and HitEmUp great choices inside all 3 races. They also have a high standard on their lowest players like Squall and Strelok who are very good.
#3Reps.Ru. Very strong first four players. The others like Leg, and Advokate can beat very good opponents in their best MUs.
#4FighterForum. Great players. Much pressure on Draco to fit his bill, Other[S.G], Tempest and Sonjjang carries this team imo, and it all comes down to their shape.
#5PGR.com. This team has Midian and Kaaz who are some of the best ZvT/ZvP players outside KOR, and in addition they have a very good korean lineup. This team is the darkhorse imo. It all comes down to Midian and Kaaz delivering the goods if their koreans somehow slip up.
#6TeamLiquid. Heavy pressure on their two koreans, but players like Fisheye, and ret need to shape up and its all good. LX needs to avoid PvZ, and he'll be a HIT. Ognis, Plto and Daze are players who are hungry and will play with their hearts
#7Gosugamers. The pride of the nonkoreans. Mondragon and Testie has to do well here. White-Ra and EX are imo around same level, and they're well practiced now that its WCG time.
#8YGClan Well their two koreans have to kick ass. Dove needs to get Zergs, PJ needs to avoid Zergs. After those 3 theres Sarens and Odin who hold a high level, but Im afraid its going to be short if any of these doesnt show up.
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tempest)is(, only[s.g], kimtaerang, active, draco, nal_crayon, quirion, ovvi
I dunno I really think this is an average team that we can beat. Active is not good, Sonjjang is a huge question mark. Tempest/only are very good but not the best. Draco said something like his schedule can only be from 2:30 to 5:00, which is the reason we didn't pick him, because we didnt think he would show up for his matches. Then they have Crayon, Quirion, Ovvi.
We felt PGR had the best picks by far. nal_keke, polaris[arnc],siz)o.ov those three were all in our favorite choices they are really highly rated in terms of skill (not minerals per se). Add to those 3 monsters Kaaz, Midian, Idra, Oldy and Fayth and you have a very solid team.
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TL.net chose before PGR21 many times aswell
Those times TL chose before pgr21, tl chose Kosiro(V good), FA(not so good), theognis(bad), daze(bad)... so i think TL only have themselves to blame here (
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Russian Federation17 Posts
i`d like to point one thing - GG team is really good in terms of: "WTF, where is our first line-up for clan-war in 21:00" ?!?!?!
These players dont have any language barrier and most of them are willingly participating and giving their best in online events.
And the non-korean teams who get koreans - i think they will have troubles with that.
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Here's a list with the picks we had in mind. They go per round first 6 were options for round 6 and so on. As you can see according to our list there's some teams out there with very bad picks. But we will have to see about this. I still say PGR has by far the best picks and they were 5th, meaning the first four teams didn't do so well. I like Reps.ru's picks as well but am really unimpressed with SCL and GG. Seeing the spots they held when making the picks I really think they did horrible. Regardless they might still do good since picking first was a huge advantage in this thing.
Nal_keke Dong-hyuk Lim Z Korea 376
Sea.Jang Hee-jong Shin T Korea 340
Kosiro[Shield] Jae-uk Lee Z Korea 272
Polaris[Arnc] Hak-jou Kim T Korea 244
Tempest)Is( Jae-young Park P Korea 334
Siz)FanTaSy Myung-hoon Jung T Korea 292
Siz)o.ov Chang-gyu Hwang P Korea 370
s2[fOu] Seung-suk Lee Z Korea 280
Sea.Pie Ju-hyun Park P Korea 322
Only[S.G] Hyun-sik Jung T Korea 300
Nal_Paris Yong-sam Shin T Korea 310
Sea.FinePix Chul-min Bae T Korea 358
Super Minglu Zhang T China 268
Lx Luo Xian P China 364
Pheonix66 Chuanhai Zhuang T China 252
White_ra Aleksey Krupnick P Ukraine 352
In_Dove Ho Young Song T Korea 440
MidiaN Jamie Hallam Z England 296
PltO Jonathan Walsh P Sweden 128
ret Jos de Kroon Z Holland 212
theognis Michael McClelland T USA 80
ReasoN Paulo Cardoso Z Brazil 146
SarenS Pierre Guivarch T France 164
In round 4 we would try to save some minerals with a good/cheap pick so we could continue some good buys in the last couple of rounds and not be stuck with people we didn't want (like other cheap players we considered less good for example. After round 4 things would become so messy we couldn't really make a list beforehand, but during the draft we were on MSN with Manifesto, Yosh, Midian and myself to make sure we got the right people in.
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On September 16 2006 08:09 AnOth3rDAy wrote:TL.net chose before PGR21 many times aswell Those times TL chose before pgr21, tl chose Kosiro(V good), FA(not so good), theognis(bad), daze(bad)... so i think TL only have themselves to blame here (
actually, pgr chose keke over kosiro but both are good.
It's next round that TL chose siz)fantasy over polaris which is about even I think?
We won't know if our picks are bad until the games are played. As Naz said it's a fun team.
GG has by far the funnest team
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On September 16 2006 08:09 AnOth3rDAy wrote:TL.net chose before PGR21 many times aswell Those times TL chose before pgr21, tl chose Kosiro(V good), FA(not so good), theognis(bad), daze(bad)... so i think TL only have themselves to blame here (
You're only looking according to skill. FA is no Korean pro but he is pretty damn solid. With this pick we could go for more expensive players in round 7 and 8 (Fisheye and Daze). Same goes for Theon. Both him and FA are better than you might think otherwise we wouldn't have choosen them. They are cheap+good whereas other teams in round 7 and 8 have gotten cheap and bad players. So in order to be able to make good picks in later rounds we picked those players. They are very good picks and we are happy with them. You can't go for the most expensive player all the time. I don't know why you say Daze is bad though, he's a pretty good player.
Bottom line; others choose TOP players in round 4-5 and ended up with the worst in 7-8. We choose to pick good/cheap players in 4-5 and end up with good/top players in 7-8.
Another thing I would like to say about GG's team is that I don't agree with their choices in accordance with skill/minerals, however their strongest point might turn out to be that their players will actually show up for their matches. In that way they might have done a smart job. SCL is totally unexplainable. Guybrush putting SCL as his #1 is very wrong.
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Hehe I think it was funny how GG picked, and I wonder whose idea that was. Maybe Testie was the one behind the picking ? If Testie had to pick nonkoreans I think hed pick like that. I might be wrong though =]
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yea well, I think if ret and fish takes this serious we'll be one of the better teams, if not the best.
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schniblor is good, thought he once won a tournamnet or something should have picked him over daze
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I like our team
grats to the one who did the picks ^^
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Ahahaha SCLegacy... LOL
LOL oh man... they just went after name value it seems.
I am honestly quite happy with our team. I think I could see us vs Fifo in the finals if Fifo presents their A roster every time. This is gonna be a fun event for everyone...
Cept Day cuz he's on a clearly losing team. T.T sorry
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Im not saying they are bad, just compared to some other picks.
Im saying that when PGR made their choises before TL they chose keyplayers compared to when TL chose before PGR they chose "mediocre" players so they can chose better next time(but then its PGR21 before TL again so its a waste...)
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anyone know how these wars will be played?
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well we know our war room tried it's best, and damn we had a sophisticated war room by the sounds of it, nazgul yosh midian thats tl.net at it's finest baby
too bad they let teams who run out of minerals get players who put them over the cap, and somehow our logo got shrunk like a prune (sabotage?) ... but it's all good we're still gonna do a better job than any other team would do with these obstacles
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Russian Federation17 Posts
watching on the lineups i can say that every team (except SClegacy %))) has three or four players which are very good - and i cant really say who will win in their battles. So i think main battle will be in actual clan-wars and proper player\race\map picking will be the key to victory.
On my opinion in terms of overall players skill - the best teams are FiFO and REPS.ru
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Whats the system of clanwars ?
Koth or a-b,b-a or 1234vs1234 or what ?
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My favourites for this tourney are GosuGamers and SC Legacy their line ups are just awesome
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It will definitly come down to player/race/map between some of the better teams.
Captains will pick who gets to go up against who right?
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On September 16 2006 08:23 new_construct wrote:
schniblor is good, thought he once won a tournamnet or something should have picked him over daze
Well I don't think skill means it `all` why they're picked.
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I think the overall best team is Bw.De. They also have the best player in the tournament(Jang)
Reps.ru have the strongest lineup, though PGR is close behind.
Still I think ScLegacy made the best picks by costefficiency(Super, Pie and ZelotITO), and I stick by that. I expect great things from Pie, and Super. I might have been slightly blinded by SEn and Super are imo the best nonkoreans in this tournament as Androide and F91 arent competing.
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On September 16 2006 08:45 Musli wrote:
Whats the system of clanwars ?
Koth or a-b,b-a or 1234vs1234 or what ?
1stv1st
2ndv2nd
3rdv3rd
4thv4th
5thv5th
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wasnt there like a prize or reward for the best player in each "spot" so to speak, the one with best score overall in the tournament for its own spot? well i might be mistaken and thinking of something else~~
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I think teamliquid won this~ only team with 3 progamers~
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ah wait, so the captains won't pick the matchups?
More mirror matchups then I would like
pgr and TL will have 6/8 mirror matchups if the matchups go by rank.
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ah i just got info that the captains will random-pick the draw so to speak--v
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On September 16 2006 08:23 new_construct wrote:
schniblor is good, thought he once won a tournamnet or something should have picked him over daze
Schiblor was a no-pick for us. No matter what. There were a couple of those players in there that no matter under what condition we would not have picked them. MAYBE I agree with Schniblor being the better pick but we didn't even have to think about it, so I don't know who's better
On September 16 2006 08:32 AnOth3rDAy wrote:
Im not saying they are bad, just compared to some other picks.
Im saying that when PGR made their choises before TL they chose keyplayers compared to when TL chose before PGR they chose "mediocre" players so they can chose better next time(but then its PGR21 before TL again so its a waste...)
You are wrong because the choices we are talking about are nal_keke, siz)o.ov, midian. Nal_Keke was according to us together with Sea.Jang by far the best pick. That we even came close (1 team before us) to picking either of those two players is on itself ridiculous, but had we been 5th we would have had Nal_Keke. Same goes goes siz)o.ov who we had as our #1 pick in second round and we had the opportunity to pick him in third round (because we choose our #6 of round 1 in round 2). Again we were one spot late.
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the tl.net crew did a good job so don't blame them
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It's a neat and interesting set up.
The # 3-5 players despite most of them not being anywhere near a top level can still win a valuable player award by winning the most games for their team as they are usually against worse players as well. So those that have a strong #4 - #5 can consistently win some games there. While the #1 / #2 guys will have to play the other top gents, and some dangerous koreans.
Interesting stuff. =]
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I was a little annonyed at first... but then i realised that we did great. Along with some solid Koreans, we picked up some people that loves and regularly posts on teamliquid.net. They'll defend their home well. GL HF tl.net
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Canada9720 Posts
nice, we've got fa and ret, plus some solid kors.
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United States5262 Posts
T_T reps.ru took Legionnaire
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I think we did the selection wrong
we should've picked the better players earlier...
it seemed like we tried to pick the good cheap players earlier on, so that we could have lots of minerals left for later - but that just left us with the overpriced better known people, because all the others were taken T_T
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so u say the first 3 picks were prettey bad ?
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On September 16 2006 09:21 yosh wrote:
he's lying
nope. "by picking Plto you can see PvP 2gate lot ---> speedlot rush f.i." was that post.
@FA didn't know you could read Korean^^ 
That drafting was really interesting~~ (if the bankrupt teams wouldn't have got gifts it would have been perfect ) I'm really thrilled to see the matches^^
PS: imo the team with the most remaining minerals should have been rewarded with the extra player
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United States5262 Posts
This is probably corny. Whether TL wins or loses, it's all about the fun right and having the BW communities bond even more.
But if TL wins that would be so sick.
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On September 16 2006 09:39 FirstProbe wrote:
I think we did the selection wrong
we should've picked the better players earlier...
it seemed like we tried to pick the good cheap players earlier on, so that we could have lots of minerals left for later - but that just left us with the overpriced better known people, because all the others were taken T_T
Yea I think we made a mistake in picking theo so fast (no offense yo) but we were thinking others would spend their minerals wisely and not put all their minerals on 1 player while leaving them with 0 for the players in round 7-8 (meaning they got the worst players). If we had forseen this we had gone for 200-250 players all the way after picking FA.
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I'm just glad i'm on a team with Mondi. I think that's very cool. Even if we lose to koreans, har.
Sure wish there was some 2on2 action in this.
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Damn, midian wont be playing for us T.T
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I'm just glad you're not on ours.
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if there were 2on2's every team would have torn you and Mondi off
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just read that there will be 5 1v1's. the captains will choose the 5 players and they will play each other according to rank.
lol, so the teams that got left with bad players can avoid putting them in the line-up or choose them to go up against favorable teams.
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On September 16 2006 09:41 bioboyAT wrote:
so u say the first 3 picks were prettey bad ?
they wouldn't have been my picks personally
I might have taken Lx at some point, but I would've gone with Tempest)is( first round.
Then I would've gone for one of the other zergs (I personally don't know too much about kosiro) - probably Mondragon because he seems to get the job done...
polaris would've been better than siz)fantasy imo
I dunno if I would've picked plto 4th either (even though I like him), cos I think we could've scored one more high level player. This means he could've gone to another team, but there are other players equally as good as him, even if a little pricier.
see the thing is, while I think fisheye is great, he hasn't been playing for some time. We ended up saving all that money by choosing the better of the cheaper players (with some loyalty choices methinks), only to buy someone who was probably overpriced. Even if he was cheap, I don't think he would've been a good choice anyway, so we missed out on getting a more active and better player, and ending up spending extra minerals (sure we had enough) that could've been spent earlier and better.
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On September 16 2006 09:49 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2006 09:39 FirstProbe wrote:
I think we did the selection wrong
we should've picked the better players earlier...
it seemed like we tried to pick the good cheap players earlier on, so that we could have lots of minerals left for later - but that just left us with the overpriced better known people, because all the others were taken T_T Yea I think we made a mistake in picking theo so fast (no offense yo) but we were thinking others would spend their minerals wisely and not put all their minerals on 1 player while leaving them with 0 for the players in round 7-8 (meaning they got the worst players). If we had forseen this we had gone for 200-250 players all the way after picking FA.
fair enough, I was sitting in the channel pulling my hair out (no offense), and praying that they'd at least leave the most expensive player alone (who is, quite good really) and we could snap him up - but he was taken at the end of round 5 T_T
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On September 16 2006 10:05 Spike wrote:
just read that there will be 5 1v1's. the captains will choose the 5 players and they will play each other according to rank.
lol, so the teams that got left with bad players can avoid putting them in the line-up or choose them to go up against favorable teams.
Everyone has to play atleast once though I think.
edit: lol Testie jokes up please.
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fair enough, I was sitting in the channel pulling my hair out (no offense), and praying that they'd at least leave the most expensive player alone (who is, quite good really) and we could snap him up - but he was taken at the end of round 5 T_T
yea, after FA I thought we were going to snap up draco considering we had been pretty cheap so far and we actually had the chance to get him.
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Well TL got a team to not lose rather than to win.
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On September 16 2006 10:15 Spike wrote:
yea, after FA I thought we were going to snap up draco considering we had been pretty cheap so far and we actually had the chance to get him.
We were fully intending to buy Draco at one moment until Mani told us this was in his player profile:
Can Play:
M-F 2:30PM - 5:00PM CET
Cannot Play:
M-F 12AM - 2:30PM & 5PM - 12AM CET
Which is quite ridiculous. If he actually holds himself to this schedule I doubt he is much use to any team. Out of all those guys who have school and work, his life is based around StarCraft but he can't find more than 2 and a half hours to play? Anyway I think by the time it was our turn again Draco was gone already. And if he wasn't it was because we didn't want to pick him anymore.
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We were fully intending to buy Draco at one moment until Mani told us this was in his player profile:
Can Play:
M-F 2:30PM - 5:00PM CET
Cannot Play:
M-F 12AM - 2:30PM & 5PM - 12AM CET
Which is quite ridiculous. If he actually holds himself to this schedule I doubt he is much use to any team. Out of all those guys who have school and work, his life is based around StarCraft but he can't find more than 2 and a half hours to play? Anyway I think by the time it was our turn again Draco was gone already. And if he wasn't it was because we didn't want to pick him anymore.
oh ok
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LX is a great player and better than a huge number of the people we could have bought, so he was definitely worth his minerals.
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TL team looks pretty decent, the only downside being that theo, ret, and fisheye are all fairly inactive aren't they? and what about kosiro[shield]? i know he used to be ownage but i haven't seen any reps of him in ages :O
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Belgium9947 Posts
now we need to find some motivation for ret and fisheye to become active again.
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just inform them of the prizes:
What is the prize distribution?
The following prizes will be awarded during the Sandlot:
* 1st Prize
o $1000 will be awarded to each player on the winning team
o $1000 will be awarded to the community site
* 2nd
o $500 will be awarded to each player on the team that comes in second place
o $500 will be awarded to the community site
* Other
o $500 will be awarded to each team MVP (the player who wins the most individual games for his or her team)
o $200 will be awarded to each player of the Best Overall Game
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I think we should have gone for the best players (that we thought we could afford) first rather than trying to save minerals for the end, but we ended up with an ok team.
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Oh yeah FISHEYE!!!!!! Please prepare and you will smoke!!!
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nazgul, so you mean first you got to chose 6th place, and the next round you also got to chose 6th?
I thought it was 1-8 8-1 1-8 8-1 etc... and then you would be able to get both kosiro and siz)o.ov
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tl and pgr will do well i think
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On September 16 2006 11:07 AnOth3rDAy wrote:
nazgul, so you mean first you got to chose 6th place, and the next round you also got to chose 6th?
I thought it was 1-8 8-1 1-8 8-1 etc... and then you would be able to get both kosiro and siz)o.ov
it was 1-8 8-1
they were going to pick kosiro and o.ov 1st and 3rd rounds, taking siz)fantasy in the 2nd round. they were 6th in both 1st and 3rd rounds, and pgr21 took kosiro/o.ov 5th in those rounds.
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ah ok so u wanted fantasy over o.ov then.
littlechava, we havent seen many reps from kasiro lately coz he is a pro gamer^^
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On September 16 2006 11:07 AnOth3rDAy wrote:
nazgul, so you mean first you got to chose 6th place, and the next round you also got to chose 6th?
I thought it was 1-8 8-1 1-8 8-1 etc... and then you would be able to get both kosiro and siz)o.ov
It did go 1-8, 8-1, etc.
It's true that o.ov could have been picked up in the second round but siz)fantasy was chosen instead. former progamer I believe? Even pgr chose a terran(polaris) and picked up o.ov later on. It's amazing how he lasted so long in the draft.
edit
very slow lol
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So is there some sort of penalty for people who got free players for over spending? I mean, they should just get auto losses if they can't fill a spot.
Just checked, so some people had to buy people that cost less then Selector and reps.ru got him for free. gay
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pgr21's totally got this. gg.net is probably going to end up as a nonfactor, and I think the rest of the teams will take games on pgr21 but will not beat it.
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On September 16 2006 10:23 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2006 10:15 Spike wrote:
yea, after FA I thought we were going to snap up draco considering we had been pretty cheap so far and we actually had the chance to get him. We were fully intending to buy Draco at one moment until Mani told us this was in his player profile: Can Play: M-F 2:30PM - 5:00PM CET Cannot Play: M-F 12AM - 2:30PM & 5PM - 12AM CET Which is quite ridiculous. If he actually holds himself to this schedule I doubt he is much use to any team. Out of all those guys who have school and work, his life is based around StarCraft but he can't find more than 2 and a half hours to play? Anyway I think by the time it was our turn again Draco was gone already. And if he wasn't it was because we didn't want to pick him anymore.
Im sure its not his schedule but his team's practice schedule.
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So, basically, the way I get this:
TeamLiquid - Progamers and outsiders
GosuGamers.net - European power
SCLegacy - Americans with backup
Fighterforum - The odd choices: the girl, the expensive Draco, the semi-retired CrayOn, the cheap Quirion and the inactive Ovvi
ygclan - Mediocre with a flavour of top
broodwar.de - Good Korea with a bit of Europe
reps.ru - The Koreans and the weak
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The amount of koreans in this makes a nice balance actually. It makes relatively weak teams that would have been steam rolled into formidable solid opponents. This is the first event i've seen in a while where it is nearly impossible to predict a winner with great accuracy.
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Pgr21 definitly has the best roster but who knows many unenexptected things can happen.
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at first i wasn't so sure about tl.net's picks but nazgul's explanations helped a lot =O
we have an OK team (especially for picking 6th)
I don't really see us winning unless like ret/fisheye turn active (which they have ample time to do)
oh and pgr21 have a stacked team
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Sweden33719 Posts
On September 16 2006 11:48 Asjo wrote:
So, basically, the way I get this:
TeamLiquid - Progamers and outsiders
GosuGamers.net - European power
SCLegacy - Americans with backup
Fighterforum - The odd choices: the girl, the expensive Draco, the semi-retired CrayOn, the cheap Quirion and the inactive Ovvi
ygclan - Mediocre with a flavour of top
broodwar.de - Good Korea with a bit of Europe
reps.ru - The Koreans and the weak
You forgot pgr21?
But I wouldn't say TL.net is full of outsiders, me, ret and daze all post here. And we wanted leg + midian but they were taken just before we could take them.
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On September 16 2006 11:16 Spike wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2006 11:07 AnOth3rDAy wrote:
nazgul, so you mean first you got to chose 6th place, and the next round you also got to chose 6th?
I thought it was 1-8 8-1 1-8 8-1 etc... and then you would be able to get both kosiro and siz)o.ov It did go 1-8, 8-1, etc. It's true that o.ov could have been picked up in the second round but siz)fantasy was chosen instead. former progamer I believe? Even pgr chose a terran(polaris) and picked up o.ov later on. It's amazing how he lasted so long in the draft. edit very slow lol
Siz)fantasy is on SKT T1 I think.
And Kosiro used to be a progamer but I heard he quit.
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well i personally think T.L team is pretty decent. The Question is are ret and fisheye getting active? cause if they are then tl can do good.
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all beg to fish and ret !
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Yeah, I forgot them apparantly.
And by outsiders I mean performance-wise. "Dark horses", if you will. Players you wouldn't expect to be on top, but have the ability to excell regardless. Apart from the progamers in the TL.net team, prettty much everyone falls under this category.
My descriptions were just to give a quick image of how you could identify the teams, not to go into any detail. I'm not really sure how I see the team strengths, although at first glance both pgr21 and TeamLiquid look strong.
I'd probably call pgr21 "heavy hitting favourites" or something.
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haha fisheye was "our" most expensive player ;p 382 minerals ^^V haha, art!
if fisheye and ret was active, tl.net would pwn! ;p
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On September 16 2006 08:23 new_construct wrote:
schniblor is good, thought he once won a tournamnet or something should have picked him over daze
you gotta be kidding me.
Anyway, as testie said before this tournament will be hard to tell who is gonna win, PGR21 might look like the strongest team but with some luck any of these teams can win~~
go tl.net!!
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shit guys, fisheye just said in an interview after he lost @wcg that he won't continue practicing and therefore also quit the sandlot. he said he won't play at all rather than play bad.
dunno if this is good news for team liquid or bad. guess it's better like this than if he would have played without the right motivation...
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well if hes gonna be replaced it better be by strato. poor guy will have a fit otherwise.
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is awesome32274 Posts
Well, bad thing was fisheye was our most expensie player.
But at least he got out before it started if he lacked the motivation
PLEASE SEND US A KOREAN
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dont worry, mr walsh is ours
liquid 9 experience for the win!
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On September 16 2006 13:40 IntoTheWow wrote:
Quick someone tell boxer
yeah man, tl helped to popular boxerforever.com and now he needs to return the favour by playing on tl's behalf
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lol well lx and fantasy is on skt1 so let's hope they can bring him in XD they could at least bring oov or midas XD
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Shit, I really hope TeamLiquid get a replacement for him. Blizzard haven't seemed too strict about that, so I hope they just pick someone they consider equally strong. Is Arcneon still active? Or Lamer, the Bulgaria top player? Or Satanik, who seemed decent to me, and was said by people on MYM's website to be a really good and entertaining player. KaShu might also be good, seeing that he won WCG Hungary. EnerGy, PredY or Lopota seem strong also, considering the players I have seen them beat. yAn, of he's still active, even if he didn't do too well as WCG Ukraine. Maybe Escape who beat Advokate at WCG Russia. Or BlackJack, who seems to have been a long time stable performer, even if never really top non-Korean.
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is awesome32274 Posts
or Jessica aka Rico.
NO ONE CAN STOP THE MACRO.
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Are we changing our name to The Jonathon Walsh Experience now?
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Sweden33719 Posts
Yay, so fisheye forfeited another tournament because of 'no motivation' (he did that in GGL once).
I think that's kinda.. :[
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it is not possible to find an equal player like fish... he was good... so he was expensive... but now he really suxx.. he lost to schnibl0r 0-2 in really bad games... and schnibl0r ist also inaktive...
fish is less worth than almost every body else... he just has no motivation
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For Fish replacement, i'd say Lamer(if he want to train), Xiaozi or Yan.
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so i am in the favorite team? YAY! 
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pick me TL! i've been with u since forever :D
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Osaka27149 Posts
On September 16 2006 17:26 Guybrush wrote:
Get Nazgul!
!! yes please.
Actually I am workign on getting someone of our choice.
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yes fish had the skill level of an amateur or semi pro back in the days so let's get a good one
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well considering his value and that we had 150 minerals left, we should be able to pick the best player available
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oh yea get Nazgul to play! that would rock
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if fisheye wont play its gonna fuck up things totally for TL.net team, even if we do get a substitute its not the same since he was a part of the drafting and we picked him + spent alot of minerals for a reason...
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agree with daze
would be nice if nazgul played, but I'm sure he "suffers" from the same "problem" as fisheye: lack of motivation/not willing to play more than 3 games a day.
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Wow, fisheye's a total dick.
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ah crap. so sorry i missed the drafting =/.
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Nal_keke Dong-hyuk Lim Z Korea 376
Sea.Jang Hee-jong Shin T Korea 340
Kosiro[Shield] Jae-uk Lee Z Korea 272
Polaris[Arnc] Hak-jou Kim T Korea 244
Tempest)Is( Jae-young Park P Korea 334
Siz)FanTaSy Myung-hoon Jung T Korea 292
Keke and Jang I agree with are two of the top 3 players in this imo. Kosiro is a solid pick.. Polaris I heard has weak TvP, so I'm surprised he was so high on your list. Tempest is just amazing.Fantasy is solid.
Siz)o.ov Chang-gyu Hwang P Korea 370
s2[fOu] Seung-suk Lee Z Korea 280
Sea.Pie Ju-hyun Park P Korea 322
Only[S.G] Hyun-sik Jung T Korea 300
Nal_Paris Yong-sam Shin T Korea 310
Sea.FinePix Chul-min Bae T Korea 358
I think it's a testament to the strength of the Korean line-up that all these players are "2nd tier" among the Sandlot participants. I keep wanting to say "how is s2[fou] so low" and "Sea.pie and Nal_Paris so low wtf?" Then I try to see who I would put below them and I don't know who I would put there.
Super Minglu Zhang T China 268
Lx Luo Xian P China 364
Pheonix66 Chuanhai Zhuang T China 252
White_ra Aleksey Krupnick P Ukraine 352
In_Dove Ho Young Song T Korea 440
MidiaN Jamie Hallam Z England 296
Finally I can comment on this. Why have you jumped outside the Korean roster without mentioning Cozy and Sonjjang? T_T Cozy recently went 7-3 against NaDa and has apparently been invited as a progamer (dunno by which team but I wouldn't be surprised if it were Pantech). Sonjjang I'll admit is a question mark, but if he's in anywhere near the shape he used to be, then he may very well be the player who rounds out the top 3.
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sclegacy-sen,sea.pie.super, zelotito, day[9], lastgosu, incontrol, gorky
IMO a horrible roster for 1st round pick team, no clue what they were thinking. Not only do they not have as powerful a roster as other teams, but they are relying a lot on specialists.
reps.ru-sea.finepix, siz)cozy,nal_paris, phoenix66, reason, legionnaire, advokate, selector
Three solid Koreans, a very solid Phoenix66, a not quite inform but still gosu Advokate (way overpriced, but for 7th pick okay) and a bargain purchase in Reason. Not bad.
gg.net-white-ra, testie, mondragon, ex, raven, pomi, suker, darki
The only advantage I see in this roster over others is that it will show up reliably. Besides that, they are really counting on Testie/Mondi and White-Ra to face off against the Koreans, and Testie seems hit or miss lately, Mondi's ZvT is lacking for his cost and White-Ra would lose more often than he wins in a long series against pretty much any of the Koreans.
bw.de-sea.jang,zergstory_namoo, hitemup[name], iloveyoukh, squall, notforu, strelok, schniblor
Great pick in Jang, but downhill after that. iloveyoukh was a good bargain purchase but not enough heavy hitters.
pgr21-nal_keke, polaris[arnc],siz)o.ov, midian, kaaz, idra[media], oldy, fayth
Best line-up for sure. Keke/Polaris/O.ov round out a solid list of heavy hitters. Kaaz has been pretty IA lately afaik and doesn't have the greatest ZvT despite what people say, but Midian was a good #4 and idra/oldy/fayth all give decent bang per buck.
teamliquid-kosiro[shield], siz)fantasy, lx, plto, ret, theognis, fisheye, daze
The TL.net lineup seems pretty good. Three progamers, but we need Ret to get back in shape. If Fisheye really did quit again...grrr...
ygclan-in_dove, s2[fou], pj, hullah, fenix, sarens, paranoid, odin
Really good top two, but after that it goes down hill. Sarens was decent bang per buck though.
fighterforum-tempest)is(, only[s.g], kimtaerang, active, draco, nal_crayon, quirion, ovvi
Tempest/Only/Sonjjang/Draco = good heavy hitting line-up, but active was a retarded pick, Crayon was over valued substantially, quirion probably won't win at all and Ovvi is pretty IA afaik.
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Blizzard should bring in a player trading date, could prove interesting if a team missed out on a player they really wanted, and they had the chance to trade someone of equal skill.
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btw i think theognis said if he didnt win wcg usa he would quit brood war, so
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On September 16 2006 17:16 I_are_n00b wrote:
get F91!
F91 I think would be the best non korean player not already in the sandlot
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tl.net has a good team 
hope tl.net will win !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Nazgul~ We need Nazgul. I don't care if he loses. I just wanna see Nazgul 1.14 replays. Fuck yeah. And Sonjjang possibly can't be that high imo. He's such an old player... I'm dying to see him but if we have someone that old school... we need Naz to play for us too. ~_~
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All I can say is SCLegacy drafting Sen is like NY Jets drafting Kyle Brady.
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I doubt Theognis is quitting Broodwar, but he will have to scale back his gaming hours.
Which is okay because he wastes most of them hanging around in x17 on East.
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Now that he wont practise for Wcg Fisheye is worth like 5 mins :[
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F91 would be nice to have in sandlot but unfortunately he lags horribly with 95% of the europeans / americans... including myself, ive played him-,-
and when i say its unplayable, i mean it--v
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