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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
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ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3209 Posts
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
The 5-man casting! | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On January 08 2014 19:52 lichter wrote: I actually don't have any beef with Moletrap, but most of GOM's English audience considers that the worst combo possible Moletrap's casting style in SC2 tended to be narration. ("He's making marines, and researching +1 attack") almost exclusively, which people got weirdly mad over. The hate for KellyMilkies because she had an accent was never really fair ;_; SNM got similar accent hate, but people also hated him personally, which makes it okay, I think? On January 08 2014 19:57 ne4aJIb wrote: Cholera, Diggity, Rise ok? Nukethestars/Cholera, personally. I wonder if Nuke'll ever come back now that BW's basically back. | ||
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Jealous
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26998 Posts
On January 09 2014 00:52 Ribbon wrote: Moletrap's casting style in SC2 tended to be narration. ("He's making marines, and researching +1 attack") almost exclusively, which people got weirdly mad over. The hate for KellyMilkies because she had an accent was never really fair ;_; SNM got similar accent hate, but people also hated him personally, which makes it okay, I think? Nukethestars/Cholera, personally. I wonder if Nuke'll ever come back now that BW's basically back. It's not really an accent thing, to many, just a voice thing. If your voice isn't pleasant to listen to for much of your audience, regardless of your other chops you're not a good caster. I do agree that Moletrap doing BW is actually pretty damn solid. Also, his Youtube content was fantastic which he never got enough credit for imo. | ||
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stambe
Bulgaria493 Posts
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Chef
10810 Posts
On January 09 2014 01:25 stambe wrote: After reading this thread and jumping out of joy about a possible BW comeback, I wanna know whats the deal with Tasteless ? I mean people said somewhere in the first couple of pages that SC2 sucked the life out of him, etc. Does he still cast SC2 or he quit for another game? I mean in the last GSL in the finals Dear vs SoO he looked so indifferent and apathic, like he didnt wanna be there. Is he gonna cast the next SC GSL with Artosis in early Feb? I think only Tasteless can truly give you an answer for that, but I'll say what I can. I think everyone who got their work from SC2, Tasteless, Day9, Artosis, etc are almost uniformly grateful. It's a job that lets them travel, meet people, play with friends and generally act much more casually than any other job would let you. Even if it's not your favourite game, it's a pretty sweet deal. That said, they would similarly uniformly have preferred to be able to do it with BW, given how often they reminisce about it, talked about it on SOTG, compared SC2 to it... It seems like most of them never really got over their first love of Brood War ;p Which considering they played it voluntarily with hardly any social or monetary benefits for like 10 years, I can feel confident saying that. For Tasteless specifically, I think he has the most fun when he's making jokes with Artosis and they're not analysing the game too seriously. I watched a fair number of their casts over the last few years, and sometimes they all but totally ignore the game happening and just make jokes, and those are actually the most enjoyable to for the viewer as well. It's different from when they casted Brood War for sure, when they wanted to share their insights about the game because they knew a lot of their audience understood the game well enough to want those special insights. They still made jokes in BW and the panda bear guy is one of the more infamous of tasteless' running gags, but I think they also cared a lot about the games themselves and who was advancing and the like. Even if they generally like SC2, I don't think it gives the same enduring feeling, and after so many years of watching it, maybe the wear shows on them a bit. The cast you saw specifically might have just been a really off day for him, because normally he looks like he's having a pretty alright time hanging out with Artosis. | ||
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stambe
Bulgaria493 Posts
On January 09 2014 01:42 Chef wrote: I think only Tasteless can truly give you an answer for that, but I'll say what I can. I think everyone who got their work from SC2, Tasteless, Day9, Artosis, etc are almost uniformly grateful. It's a job that lets them travel, meet people, play with friends and generally act much more casually than any other job would let you. Even if it's not your favourite game, it's a pretty sweet deal. That said, they would similarly uniformly have preferred to be able to do it with BW, given how often they reminisce about it, talked about it on SOTG, compared SC2 to it... It seems like most of them never really got over their first love of Brood War ;p Which considering they played it voluntarily with hardly any social or monetary benefits for like 10 years, I can feel confident saying that. For Tasteless specifically, I think he has the most fun when he's making jokes with Artosis and they're not analysing the game too seriously. I watched a fair number of their casts over the last few years, and sometimes they all but totally ignore the game happening and just make jokes, and those are actually the most enjoyable to for the viewer as well. It's different from when they casted Brood War for sure, when they wanted to share their insights about the game because they knew a lot of their audience understood the game well enough to want those special insights. They still made jokes in BW and the panda bear guy is one of the more infamous of tasteless' running gags, but I think they also cared a lot about the games themselves and who was advancing and the like. Even if they generally like SC2, I don't think it gives the same enduring feeling, and after so many years of watching it, maybe the wear shows on them a bit. The cast you saw specifically might have just been a really off day for him, because normally he looks like he's having a pretty alright time hanging out with Artosis. Thanks for the fast answer. In BW he was so passionate about the game. At one point in SC2 casts around 2012 and later i felt like he didnt care about BW no more and he embraced SC2 fully, but i guess thats not the case. BW really have something special about it. I was watching all pro BW from 2003 to 2012 last OSL. Played for 14 years, but the last OSL kinda of crushed me. Couldn't believe it was over, so i stopped playing and watchin for an year. That image of the korean commentator crying in the 5th set of Jangbi vs Zero on Neo Ground Zero - that was hard, way to hard for me to watch BW after that. Tasteless was grean in GOM Star Invitational and the GOM Classic 1,2,3 so i hope he makes a comback. Can you give me links to SOTG or meta episodes where they talk about BW history and comparsion to SC2? If you can of course. Sorry for straying off topic  | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5823 Posts
GOMTV tried to kill ProLeague by blackmailing it out from prime time, because GSL couldn't compete with it. This is how this whole "illegal league" mess started. One of the main reasons why it became hard for OGN/MBC to find new sponsors (KeSPA's BW leagues were "tainted" and sponsors did not want to associate themselves with potentially illegal activity). They were also very co-operative as far as Blizzard's attempts to kill BW go. Short summary of what happened: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=150858 I really don't think hosting a bunch of tournaments in preparation for SC2 redeems them. Certainly not in my eyes. To address the "KeSPA tried to kill GOMTV" accusations (it has been already done several pages back so I will just reiterate): practically all teams that did not participate in Classics had valid reasons. This accusation is weak at best. | ||
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DwD
Sweden8621 Posts
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miercat
394 Posts
On January 09 2014 03:06 maybenexttime wrote: To clarify my point from the post for which I got banned (was traveling back to the Netherlands so I was offline for an extended period of time): GOMTV tried to kill ProLeague by blackmailing it out from prime time, because GSL couldn't compete with it. This is how this whole "illegal league" mess started. One of the main reasons why it became hard for OGN/MBC to find new sponsors (KeSPA's BW leagues were "tainted" and sponsors did not want to associate themselves with potentially illegal activity). They were also very co-operative as far as Blizzard's attempts to kill BW go. Short summary of what happened: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=150858 I really don't think hosting a bunch of tournaments in preparation for SC2 redeems them. Certainly not in my eyes. To address the "KeSPA tried to kill GOMTV" accusations (it has been already done several pages back so I will just reiterate): practically all teams that did not participate in Classics had valid reasons. This accusation is weak at best. I wasn't aware until now, that there were any potential illegal activities (or that this was potentially a reason why OSL/MSL had trouble getting sponsors). I briefly looked at the linked article which contained a lot of things that were "said", but is it generally acknowledged that there is sufficient proof, for illegal activities, or no? Regarding the non-participation in the Classics, at least for SKT, at one point players were only allowed to practice for one individual tournament- e.g. OSL/MSL or perhaps GOM Classics, and were required to use their remaining focus on practicing for Proleague success. This isn't really a valid reason. Individual Leagues are at least, if not more entertaining for viewers, compared to Proleague, and allowed the players to show their personal style. As far as I know, there was no compelling reason that Proleague should have been prioritized to that extent, over Individual Leagues. Bisu has stated in interview that one of the main issues with Pro BW, is that players were not given more freedom to practice/participate in individual leagues. Were additional reasons for non-participation provided? | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5823 Posts
On January 09 2014 03:32 miercat wrote: I wasn't aware until now, that there were any potential illegal activities (or that this was potentially a reason why OSL/MSL had trouble getting sponsors). I briefly looked at the linked article which contained a lot of things that were "said", but is it generally acknowledged that there is sufficient proof, for illegal activities, or no? Regarding the non-participation in the Classics, at least for SKT, at one point players were only allowed to practice for one individual tournament- e.g. OSL/MSL or perhaps GOM Classics, and were required to use their remaining focus on practicing for Proleague success. This isn't really a valid reason. Individual Leagues are at least, if not more entertaining for viewers, compared to Proleague, and allowed the players to show their personal style. As far as I know, there was no compelling reason that Proleague should have been prioritized to that extent, over Individual Leagues. Bisu has stated in interview that one of the main issues with Pro BW, is that players were not given more freedom to practice/participate in individual leagues. Were additional reasons for non-participation provided? What illegal activities? As for not participating in Classics, eSTRO, OGN and MBC did not want to support their direct competition - after all, they paid a lot of money to maintain their teams, so why should they hurt their own business on top of that? ACE had little time for practice as it is. SKT, like you said, limited players' time for individual leagues (because their ProLeague results were suffering). I am not sure what reasons other non-participating teams had - it was clarified in this very thread, so you can look it up. The reason why ProLeague was much more important than individual leagues to KeSPA sponsors is because many of them paid millions of dollars to maintain their teams, and that is a lot of money. They did not do this as a form of charity - they wanted to gain exposure, and ProLeague was a much better way to expose the team (as opposed to the player himself) and its sponsor. | ||
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miercat
394 Posts
On January 09 2014 04:59 maybenexttime wrote: What illegal activities? + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + As for not participating in Classics, eSTRO, OGN and MBC did not want to support their direct competition - after all, they paid a lot of money to maintain their teams, so why should they hurt their own business on top of that? ACE had little time for practice as it is. SKT, like you said, limited players' time for individual leagues (because their ProLeague results were suffering). I am not sure what reasons other non-participating teams had - it was clarified in this very thread, so you can look it up. The reason why ProLeague was much more important than individual leagues to KeSPA sponsors is because many of them paid millions of dollars to maintain their teams, and that is a lot of money. They did not do this as a form of charity - they wanted to gain exposure, and ProLeague was a much better way to expose the team (as opposed to the player himself) and its sponsor. I was referring to the segment you posted before: "This is how this whole "illegal league" mess started. One of the main reasons why it became hard for OGN/MBC to find new sponsors (KeSPA's BW leagues were "tainted" and sponsors did not want to associate themselves with potentially illegal activity)" I was wondering if it is generally acknowledged that there there is sufficient proof for actual illegal activities, or not. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5823 Posts
On January 09 2014 05:11 miercat wrote: I was referring to the segment you posted before: "This is how this whole "illegal league" mess started. One of the main reasons why it became hard for OGN/MBC to find new sponsors (KeSPA's BW leagues were "tainted" and sponsors did not want to associate themselves with potentially illegal activity)" I was wondering if it is generally acknowledged that there there is sufficient proof for these supposed illegal activities, or not. Read it again, this time understanding the context of what I said. The whole debacle was about whether KeSPA is using BW within their legal rights. That's what the lawsuit was meant to determine. | ||
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miercat
394 Posts
On January 09 2014 05:14 maybenexttime wrote: Read it again, this time understanding the context of what I said. The whole debacle was about whether KeSPA is using BW within their legal rights. That's what the lawsuit was meant to determine. Yes, I was aware of that specific legal/licencing issue. So this information is actually consistent with my previous understanding of the situation. I had assumed that the statement meant GOM had blackmailed Kespa in terms of a criminal offence (regarding the timeslot). Blackmailing is often (but not necessarily) a crime, and looking at the linked summary of negotiations, it looks like the term could be appropriate at least to some extent. Although, in any case, I do not recall Kespa taking any legal action against GOM, as a result of the referenced negotiations. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5823 Posts
On January 09 2014 05:42 miercat wrote: Yes, I was aware of that specific legal/licencing issue. So this information is actually consistent with my previous understanding of the situation. I had assumed that the statement meant GOM had blackmailed Kespa in terms of a criminal offence (regarding the timeslot). Blackmailing is often (but not necessarily) a crime, and looking at the linked summary of negotiations, it looks like the term could be appropriate at least to some extent. Although, in any case, I do not recall Kespa taking any legal action against GOM, as a result of the referenced negotiations. It's uncertain whether any party's actions were illegal. KeSPA did not take legal actions because Blizzard already took the case to court, where this whole mess was supposed to be settled. It's also not true, contrary to some people here have claimed, that KeSPA used BW without Blizzard's approval for a decade or so. Before Blizzard Korea (or whatever it's called) was established, Blizzard in Korea was represented by HanbitSoft, which had been a long time KeSPA member. The company, on Blizzard's behalf, allowed KeSPA to use BW (Blizzard's officials even attended several league finals, so the company certainly did not condemn what KeSPA was doing with BW). Afaik, KeSPA paid for this licensing, so this makes this whole "greedy KeSPA didn't want to pay Blizzard any royalties" not true. KeSPA actually proposed to pay for the licensing, but for Blizzard it was not about royalties, but rather about taking over the scene, so that they could ensure a smooth transition to SC2. As for the IEG rights selling fiasco, KeSPA was selling rights to ProLeague, not BW (how would they even be in a position to prevent anyone from broadcasting BW is beyond me) - the same way UEFA is selling rights to broadcasting Champions League, and not football. | ||
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miercat
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Phyanketto
United States601 Posts
On January 09 2014 01:06 Jealous wrote: Tastosis is the best foreign commentary duo imo. Artosis actually knows things about the game and provides great insight, whereas Tasteless has the smooth voice and color, energy commentary. Not as good as Korean commentators, for sure, but still the best. I would love to see them back. >smooth 'IT LOOKS LIKE AN ABORTION CLINIC OUT HERE!' I suppose you can say that. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
I'd also enjoy a Diggity/cholera+Klazart or even just a Klazart commentary aswell. | ||
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