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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10158 Posts
May 31 2016 03:37 GMT
#1801
On May 31 2016 12:10 B-royal wrote:
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I'm sure dark archons will be key to eliminate the defilers. Feedback range and maelstrom range is 10 vs 9 of plague.

For the rest, zealots, archon and templar and eventually reavers will make up an excellent fighting army against this style.

And of course, without scourge, there's nothing to stop protoss from dropping all over the place.


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I feel like Protoss need to go for a 2 base timing of some sort to abuse the fact that there is so little static d, no Lurkers, and really not much Zerg scouting past the initial Overlord because they have no Spire. Something like 2 base 8 gate with Dragoons, or something. The thing is Protoss should be aware of what's happening because they have at least one Corsair in the air that can keep a tab on all the bases and know that there is no static d, a fast lair, 3 bases with like 6 Hatcheries...
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
vhvvx777
Profile Joined January 2011
Russian Federation541 Posts
May 31 2016 05:31 GMT
#1802
Effort vs Bisu (30-05-16) : Game 1 Game 2
Hero vs Bisu (30-05-16) : Game
shakigami
Profile Joined November 2013
219 Posts
May 31 2016 15:14 GMT
#1803
wow, bisu is playing flash atm, looks like a bo3 @CB, destination, FS, really good micro by both of them
B-royal
Profile Joined May 2015
Belgium1330 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-31 18:06:35
May 31 2016 18:04 GMT
#1804
On May 31 2016 12:37 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2016 12:10 B-royal wrote:
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I'm sure dark archons will be key to eliminate the defilers. Feedback range and maelstrom range is 10 vs 9 of plague.

For the rest, zealots, archon and templar and eventually reavers will make up an excellent fighting army against this style.

And of course, without scourge, there's nothing to stop protoss from dropping all over the place.


+ Show Spoiler +
I feel like Protoss need to go for a 2 base timing of some sort to abuse the fact that there is so little static d, no Lurkers, and really not much Zerg scouting past the initial Overlord because they have no Spire. Something like 2 base 8 gate with Dragoons, or something. The thing is Protoss should be aware of what's happening because they have at least one Corsair in the air that can keep a tab on all the bases and know that there is no static d, a fast lair, 3 bases with like 6 Hatcheries...


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Yes, I think a strong two base push will probably work as well. There's no fast lair though, it's a slow lair in the few games that I've seen, which is probably what you meant.

But, in most of the games the zerg goes for early hydras and kills the forge and gateway at the ramp, just in time to delay the +1 of the protoss. In the mean time zerg is getting his own +1 carapace very fast. This means that a combination of zerglings and hydralisks is very effective. The zerglings are a fantastic meat shield against both zealots and dragoons now.

In fact, the thing that surprised me most was how Effort managed to hold some strong zealot pushes completely effortless by just making a ton of zerglings at the right time in combination with the hydralisks he already has (lack of protoss +1).

I'm sure a two base strat could be effective but it could backfire very easily as well. I always prefer longer macro games. And the way to approach this in my opinion is to use the "old bisu style" as an opener. You start with a lot of corsairs and dark templars to keep the zerg in his base. You use the map control to expand to a third. You start abusing the fact that zerg has no scourge by storming his mineral lines. In the mean time you're getting a sick ton of zealots, couple of archons and a lot of templars. The archons will deal with the lings, the zealots act as meat shields and the templars can deal with any overwhelming numbers of hydralisks. As soon as zerg has hive and plague, you start adding 2 dark archons to feedback the defilers. In critical situations you can even use the dark archons for maelstrom.
Then finally once you get a 4th etc you start adding reavers.

At least in my mind this makes a lot of sense because you're abusing all the weaknesses of this play style.

1. Corsairs, dark templars and drops keep zerg in the dark and scared
2. You use this period to expand, so you can get a ton of expensive units that are not vulnerable to plague (archons, templars, dark archons and eventually reavers)
3. Plague is the only thing that's making this strategy so effective, so getting some dark archons to feedback the defilers would be glorious.
new BW-player (~E rank fish) twitch.tv/crispydrone || What plays 500 games a season but can't get better? => http://imgur.com/a/pLzf9 <= ||
vhvvx777
Profile Joined January 2011
Russian Federation541 Posts
June 02 2016 10:12 GMT
#1805
Zero vs Flash (01-06-16) : Game
Zero vs Sea (01-06-16) : Game
Zero vs Shuttle (01-06-16) : Game
Effort vs Flash (28-05-16) : Game 1 Game 2 Game 3
Hero vs Flash (28-05-16) : Game
Larva vs Bisu (30-05-16) : Game
Larva vs Kal (30-05-16) : Game
ppp87
Profile Joined May 2016
Laos250 Posts
June 02 2016 10:40 GMT
#1806
thank you for all the uploaded fpvods
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10158 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-02 21:16:04
June 02 2016 21:15 GMT
#1807
vhvvx777 is it just me or you have a strong Zerg bias? xD

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I want to see a Protoss win for once, damn it.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
vhvvx777
Profile Joined January 2011
Russian Federation541 Posts
June 03 2016 00:36 GMT
#1808
Hero vs PianO (01-06-16) : Game
Hero vs Sharp (01-06-16) : Game
Effort vs Free (02-06-16) : Game
Effort vs Last (02-06-16) : Game
Hero vs Flash (02-06-16) : Game 1 Game 2 Game 3
Hero vs Flash (02-06-16) : Game 1 Game 2 Game 3
Zero vs Kal (02-06-16) : Game
Zero vs Last (02-06-16) : Game
Zero vs Mind (02-06-16) : Game
vhvvx777
Profile Joined January 2011
Russian Federation541 Posts
June 05 2016 14:23 GMT
#1809
Zero vs Mind (04-06-16) : Game 1 Game 2
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
June 05 2016 15:07 GMT
#1810
On June 02 2016 19:12 vhvvx777 wrote:
Larva vs Kal (30-05-16) : Game


Kal is a fucking beast! He is going to take Bisu's seat soon. Must watch!
sunbeams are never made like me...
vhvvx777
Profile Joined January 2011
Russian Federation541 Posts
June 05 2016 23:42 GMT
#1811
Effort vs Flash (05-06-16) : Game 1 Game 2
Zero vs Flash (05-06-16) : Game 1 Game 2
Zero vs Sharp (05-06-16) : Game
vhvvx777
Profile Joined January 2011
Russian Federation541 Posts
June 07 2016 01:04 GMT
#1812
Effort vs Best (06-06-16) : Game 1 Game 2
Effort vs Sea (06-06-16) : Game 1 Game 2 Game 3
Hero vs Free (06-06-16) : Game
Hero vs GuemChi (06-06-16) : Game
Zero vs Flash (06-06-16) : Game
Zero vs Last (06-06-16) : Game
Zero vs Mong (06-06-16) : Game 1 Game 2
Zero vs Sharp (06-06-16) : Game
Zero vs sSak (06-06-16) : Game 1 Game 2
vhvvx777
Profile Joined January 2011
Russian Federation541 Posts
June 08 2016 02:19 GMT
#1813
Effort vs Icarus (07-06-16) : Game
Hero vs Bisu (07-06-16) : Game 1 Game 2
Hero vs PianO (07-06-16) : Game
B-royal
Profile Joined May 2015
Belgium1330 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-09 03:59:39
June 09 2016 03:59 GMT
#1814


sick series between effort and bisu!

starts at 13:30
new BW-player (~E rank fish) twitch.tv/crispydrone || What plays 500 games a season but can't get better? => http://imgur.com/a/pLzf9 <= ||
vhvvx777
Profile Joined January 2011
Russian Federation541 Posts
June 10 2016 03:03 GMT
#1815
Hero vs Shuttle (09-06-16) : Game
Zero vs Best (09-06-16) : Game
Zero vs Mind (09-06-16) : Game
Zero vs PianO (09-06-16) : Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4
Zero vs Rush (09-06-16) : Game 1 Game 2
vhvvx777
Profile Joined January 2011
Russian Federation541 Posts
June 13 2016 03:48 GMT
#1816
Effort vs Icarus (12-06-16) : Game 1 Game 2
Effort vs Kal (12-06-16) : Game
Effort vs Rush (12-06-16) : Game
Zero vs Mind (12-06-16) : Game
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10158 Posts
June 13 2016 04:14 GMT
#1817
Damn, the past like 40 games posted in this thread are all Z-POV ;-;
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
puppykiller
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States3128 Posts
June 13 2016 15:18 GMT
#1818
Why don't you post some?
Why would I play sctoo when I can play BW?
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
June 15 2016 06:36 GMT
#1819
On June 10 2016 12:03 vhvvx777 wrote:
Zero vs PianO (09-06-16) : Game 1

great game!
brood war for life, brood war forever
vhvvx777
Profile Joined January 2011
Russian Federation541 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-15 07:25:53
June 15 2016 07:25 GMT
#1820
Effort vs GuemChi (14-06-16) : Game
Hero vs Rush (14-06-16) : Gamr 1 Game 2
Shuttle vs Zero (12-06-16) : Game
Zero vs PianO (14-06-16) : Game
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