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Ideas
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Have any other players said they are definitely going to military next year? Although I'm not sure exactly how that all works, if they've just been lucky to not get a draft notice yet or if players usually just decide on a time to go before a certain age or whatever. My assumption is that you will get a draft notice randomly between the ages of 28-30 but you can volunteer to go early? Hopefully players like Bisu and Zero will come back once their service is up though? I'm not sure how many players currently in military plan on coming back. Jeez I finally get back into pro BW and the scene seems like it's on thin ice because of this damn military service  . It reminds me of how back in the KESPA days I thought it'd be so cool when eventually the entire TBLS would all be on ACE together haha | ||
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leveller
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ggsimida
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AntiHack
Switzerland553 Posts
EDIT: nvm now seem to work | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On December 14 2018 08:13 Ideas wrote: yeah im worried for the scene, like most things that have aged, its ossified and become conservative and reactionary. When popular players filter out, were going to be left with a bunch of relatively unpopular people, on the same god damn maps with the same god damn basic broodwar meta of the last decade. Change or die, and broodwar doesnt seem to want to change.So I hate to bring it up but with Shuttle leaving for military it got me worrying about a lot of other players around his age that will also probably have to do their service within the next year: Jaedong, Stork, Sea, Soulkey, Shine, Mind, Light, etc. Flash and Last also having health issues that might make them want to enlist early. Have any other players said they are definitely going to military next year? Although I'm not sure exactly how that all works, if they've just been lucky to not get a draft notice yet or if players usually just decide on a time to go before a certain age or whatever. My assumption is that you will get a draft notice randomly between the ages of 28-30 but you can volunteer to go early? Hopefully players like Bisu and Zero will come back once their service is up though? I'm not sure how many players currently in military plan on coming back. Jeez I finally get back into pro BW and the scene seems like it's on thin ice because of this damn military service . It reminds me of how back in the KESPA days I thought it'd be so cool when eventually the entire TBLS would all be on ACE together haha | ||
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AntiHack
Switzerland553 Posts
On December 17 2018 02:26 Dazed. wrote: yeah im worried for the scene, like most things that have aged, its ossified and become conservative and reactionary. When popular players filter out, were going to be left with a bunch of relatively unpopular people, on the same god damn maps with the same god damn basic broodwar meta of the last decade. Change or die, and broodwar doesnt seem to want to change. "The same g damn brood war meta" That's ignorance in the first place, the meta have never changed so much and so fast like it did in the recent years. Also there's sc2 and the sc2 forum for you if you don't like sc1. Have fun | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
On December 14 2018 08:13 Ideas wrote: So I hate to bring it up but with Shuttle leaving for military it got me worrying about a lot of other players around his age that will also probably have to do their service within the next year: Jaedong, Stork, Sea, Soulkey, Shine, Mind, Light, etc. Flash and Last also having health issues that might make them want to enlist early. Have any other players said they are definitely going to military next year? Although I'm not sure exactly how that all works, if they've just been lucky to not get a draft notice yet or if players usually just decide on a time to go before a certain age or whatever. My assumption is that you will get a draft notice randomly between the ages of 28-30 but you can volunteer to go early? Hopefully players like Bisu and Zero will come back once their service is up though? I'm not sure how many players currently in military plan on coming back. Jeez I finally get back into pro BW and the scene seems like it's on thin ice because of this damn military service . It reminds me of how back in the KESPA days I thought it'd be so cool when eventually the entire TBLS would all be on ACE together hahaLight just came back. He went ages ago. | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On December 17 2018 02:38 AntiHack wrote: No it hasnt. Nuance trolling bullshit, is all that is. Late game tvz transitioned slowly from massing tanks [flash 2010], occasionally using B.C's [firebathero 2007 against savior] or pure sk [Nada way back when] to a mech transition, between 2010-2016. It took six years for a single compositional change to take place, and in a year or two it was largely figured out. Apart from that you have, heavier infantry use in the mid game, and the return of 1-1-1, also a build from almost ten years ago. On the zergs end you have: Continue to do 3 hatch muta into defiliers, saviors gameplan from 2006. Or two hatch muta into defilers, basically from 2007. Thats really not that much change, especially in comparison to the years prior to this. hell, we play the same map during this entire period, fighting spirit."The same g damn brood war meta" That's ignorance in the first place, the meta have never changed so much and so fast like it did in the recent years. Every other matchup has barely changed at all outside of zvt, and all the changes are relegated to efficiencies and counter plays based on efficiencies. Thats not real change, its rearrangement. Also there's sc2 and the sc2 forum for you if you don't like sc1. I love broodwar, have for 20 years. I recognize that the meta game is stale, the map making scene is stale, the player base is aging, and the scene teetering. Change must come or we will back to the SSL days, or worse. I mean, if you want to do the exact same meta for the next 10 years on fighting spirit, be my guest. But you will largely be doing it alone in the medium to near future. Have fun  User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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AntiHack
Switzerland553 Posts
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Jealous
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On December 17 2018 06:17 AntiHack wrote: Where are the mods when you need them? What are they needed for? Lmfao | ||
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AntiHack
Switzerland553 Posts
Do you even know the forum rules? | ||
thedeadhaji
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8649 Posts
that said, he hasnt said anything that warrants a warn or ban imo. use the report function if you care so much | ||
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killok
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The forum rules are: DO NOT HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION BECAUSE BROOD WAR=100% PERFECT OR BAN. But you can take a shit on SC2 apparently. Its written in the rules after all User was banned for this post. | ||
tofucake
Hyrule19053 Posts
On December 17 2018 12:51 killok wrote: The forum rules are: DO NOT HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION BECAUSE BROOD WAR=100% PERFECT OR BAN. But you can take a shit on SC2 apparently. Its written in the rules after all It's actually not. Maybe you should read them again. | ||
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AntiHack
Switzerland553 Posts
On December 17 2018 12:38 evilfatsh1t wrote: i dont agree with dazed's sentiment that brood war hasnt changed. hes brought it up before but its pretty clear he doesnt know what hes talking about. brood war has changed, even in just the afreeca era. hes also a fan of massively simplifying the game down and calling the game boring because apparently there isnt much decision making in maintaining macro cycles and picking fights. that said, he hasnt said anything that warrants a warn or ban imo. use the report function if you care so much I already did use the report function ofc. I just checked the official SC forum and he's trolling there too with multiple accounts asking for balance patches and that kind of sc2 moba-tryhard development while insulting other forum members (calling them idiots) (apparently Blizzard mods sleep too) Also at the end of the second post he's clearli insulting me with the emojy after 2 BM threads full of profanities. The TL admins are sleeping or maybe he's too crafty for the TL admins to recognise him as a troll (which would be really sad) You guys should read the forum guidelines. EDIT: I just checked the official SC forum and he's trolling there too with multiple accounts asking for balance patches and that kind of sc2 moba-tryhard development while insulting other forum members (calling them idiots) (apparently Blizzard mods sleep too) EDIT2: https://us.battle.net/forums/en/starcraft/topic/20770706944#post-7 Here his calling other people idiot with multiple accounts: "Yeaah because SC is super balanced lol, Scout, Ghost, Queen... who cares LOL MUAHAHAHAAH Go play ver 1.00 idiot!!!" EDIT3: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/F57jtlj.jpg) If sending ppl to f**k themselves via emojy in a post full of hate and profanities is ok... good to know, I can adapt to the new environment but I remember TL being better then this. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4329 Posts
The map making scene is ‘stale’ because it takes such an insane amount of knowledge to make great maps.Very few people can do it to that level.If we talk about the meta change for pvz moving to early expansion mapmakers needed to have the natural choke buildable and the correct pixels for P blocks to happen.Why noone plays Luna anymore.My point that meta changes can contribute to maps becoming harder to make and balance also can lead to many maps looking the same (FS clones). | ||
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Navane
Netherlands2748 Posts
The TvZ meta shift from whatever it was they did in 2008 to +1 5 rax to mech switch to 1-1-1 now back at SK was very entertaining to me. Also both the PvT (early shuttle busts) and ZvP (that 973 build) shift to a much more refined aggression where you don't open with a real all-in, but you're expecting to do a lot of damage early on, was nice to see emerge. Queens are used routinely. Total recall. Leta did lock down and nuke on HBR, ok, it didn't work, but that is not stale. You could say; that was just one game, but that is what makes it special. If everybody could make any combination work, the game go from stale to random. It is the constant failing in trying to evolve the meta that makes the succeeding so exciting. | ||
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