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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
November 28 2018 14:23 GMT
#5141
On November 28 2018 07:42 maybenexttime wrote:
What would you say is a proper response to 2 base ultras? Try to kill the Zerg before they arrive? Wall off, play from 2 bases and get tanks? Try to secure a third? Irradiate? Mines?

You have to think about it logically. The biggest weakness of a strategy like that is that they're getting ultralisks before they even have 3 gas. Maybe they are sacrificing other techs, maybe they only have one or two, maybe they don't get any upgrades.

If you play against someone who goes 2 base ultralisk most games, you will learn how to play against it. If you just saw it one time against a stranger you'll never play again, it's going to be hard to really get a sense for it.

In StarCraft you develop a system of checks you do every game to determine what your opponent is doing. The earlier you can deduce what they're doing, the stronger your response will be. There are a variety of effective responses to any strategy. There's nothing wrong with your ideas. If they don't go muta or lurker, you probably can just go kill them before ultra are ready, or at least make them waste a lot of resources on sunken colonies. Walls are good for Terran in all matchups. Mines are probably good too. Irradiate is the only one I think may be a bit slow, because now you're racing tech with the person racing tech, though it's probably playable. If a third has a tiny choke it's probably not hard to defend.

I guess the simplest advice is just to ask someone to use it a lot vs you. If they can beat you even if you know it's coming, then you know your response is terrible or you're being outclassed macro/micro/tactics wise. If you can win when you know it's coming, but you still don't see it coming when they use it 25% of their games and lose, then you know it's a problem with your reconnaissance. If they're the same skill level as you, they will probably get better and find innovative ways to do 2 base ultra that keep your games interesting, and you'll get a better sense of the limitations of the strategy.

My instinct would be to make sure I'm keeping the Zerg honest with decent pressure, make sure I'm not putting units in vulnerable positions at dangerous points in the game, and probably just play conservatively, keeping an eye out for expos and getting a large, well rounded army. I wouldn't be looking for any special unit to counter the ultralisks, but tanks and vessels are always good.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
marwin
Profile Joined June 2011
Ukraine111 Posts
November 28 2018 15:14 GMT
#5142
Has noone posted new ASL maps? These are Blockchain and Whiteout.
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Source: https://blog.naver.com/kangkuyol/221403966988
Du kan om du vill...
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50603 Posts
November 28 2018 15:54 GMT
#5143
snow map lmao
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
WaterSerpentM
Profile Joined November 2018
United Kingdom139 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-28 20:38:28
November 28 2018 20:37 GMT
#5144
On November 28 2018 15:18 evilfatsh1t wrote:
out of curiosity, what went through your head when you decided to make your guide?

if you admit that youre not a great player, what made you think that writing a guide with your lack of understanding would be a good idea


I was just reciting the techniques that shows up in your mind when you master something

Im not saying that im a great player as there are more things to know other than Techniques.

FYI on what masteries are:

Master: Know all techniques and do them right

Grand-master: Be instinctual in all techniques

Supreme Grand-master: Intertwine all techniques

Ultimate supreme grand-master:get to the highest insight in all attributes

Every skill in life has the same structure to Master them

Most people would not know this, as governments have not teach mastery techniques in about 200 years
whaski
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland577 Posts
November 28 2018 20:50 GMT
#5145
Oh no..... Ultimate supreme grand-master is a good skill to have. As well as fortessing and making best unit... This thread has ascended.
it's not just a music it's something else
RWLabs
Profile Joined March 2017
Korea (South)273 Posts
November 28 2018 21:07 GMT
#5146
My martial arts master is a scrub that only knows how to kick and punch, but can't do them correctly. If only he were googly mcgoogly grandmaster of the wiiiirld he could maybe have a chance of defending himself.

WSM, I think it'd save you a lot of embarrassment if you don't make up terms to downplay a moment of pride.
Aldaris was the good guy of Brood War.
WaterSerpentM
Profile Joined November 2018
United Kingdom139 Posts
November 28 2018 21:12 GMT
#5147
On November 29 2018 06:07 RWLabs wrote:
My martial arts master is a scrub that only knows how to kick and punch, but can't do them correctly. If only he were googly mcgoogly grandmaster of the wiiiirld he could maybe have a chance of defending himself.

WSM, I think it'd save you a lot of embarrassment if you don't make up terms to downplay a moment of pride.


humility

<3 <3 <3
castleeMg
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Canada782 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-28 21:16:10
November 28 2018 21:15 GMT
#5148
On November 29 2018 05:37 WaterSerpentM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2018 15:18 evilfatsh1t wrote:
out of curiosity, what went through your head when you decided to make your guide?

if you admit that youre not a great player, what made you think that writing a guide with your lack of understanding would be a good idea


I was just reciting the techniques that shows up in your mind when you master something

Im not saying that im a great player as there are more things to know other than Techniques.

FYI on what masteries are:

Master: Know all techniques and do them right

Grand-master: Be instinctual in all techniques

Supreme Grand-master: Intertwine all techniques

Ultimate supreme grand-master:get to the highest insight in all attributes

Every skill in life has the same structure to Master them

Most people would not know this, as governments have not teach mastery techniques in about 200 years


troll tier: Godlike
AKA: castle[eMg]@USEast/ iCCup
docholiday_tv
Profile Joined April 2017
108 Posts
November 28 2018 21:18 GMT
#5149
On November 29 2018 06:12 WaterSerpentM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2018 06:07 RWLabs wrote:
My martial arts master is a scrub that only knows how to kick and punch, but can't do them correctly. If only he were googly mcgoogly grandmaster of the wiiiirld he could maybe have a chance of defending himself.

WSM, I think it'd save you a lot of embarrassment if you don't make up terms to downplay a moment of pride.


humility

<3 <3 <3


That or you could just quit being a weirdo
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-28 21:28:58
November 28 2018 21:28 GMT
#5150
I just ascended to ultimost grandgosu of broodwar by reflecting on my probe split. Thanks (:
Broodwar for life!
TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
November 28 2018 21:30 GMT
#5151
I'm both happy and sad that the thread livened up so much because of this.
WriterReV hwaiting!
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10260 Posts
November 28 2018 22:51 GMT
#5152
I'll be honest guys, he sent me the same stuff about Mastery and such and I can tell you that upon Googling it, it seems he isn't the one who came up the terms "ultimate supreme grand master" and such. Those are actual terms other people use. Not going to vouch for the sanity or legitimacy of those other people or their usage, but still, it's not something he took out of an anime or made up to troll people with.

Now, I already explained to him that what he's saying has little to no bearing on StarCraft whatsoever, and that I find it hard to believe the things he is saying about mastery in general given his "mastery of StarCraft" thread and how deluded from reality it was.

So, yea, I think he's just a bit weird, not a troll or anything. Some people are just different. Some are... very different.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Altay
Profile Joined January 2018
31 Posts
November 28 2018 23:23 GMT
#5153
WaterSerpentM should come to a live event or become a guest caster, we need new exciting entertaining blood like him/her.

I am not joking, his/her guide might not have been useful or could even be trolling, but people got engaged and entertained.
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
November 29 2018 01:21 GMT
#5154
Bought SC:R! Playing BGH 4x4, amazing. Apm 60!
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
RWLabs
Profile Joined March 2017
Korea (South)273 Posts
November 29 2018 01:30 GMT
#5155
Welp, gotta eat crow on this one then. My bad, I thought WSM made the weird terms up.

It is misleading to say the least though, that much I'll stand by.
Aldaris was the good guy of Brood War.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50603 Posts
November 29 2018 03:42 GMT
#5156
On November 29 2018 06:18 docholiday_tv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2018 06:12 WaterSerpentM wrote:
On November 29 2018 06:07 RWLabs wrote:
My martial arts master is a scrub that only knows how to kick and punch, but can't do them correctly. If only he were googly mcgoogly grandmaster of the wiiiirld he could maybe have a chance of defending himself.

WSM, I think it'd save you a lot of embarrassment if you don't make up terms to downplay a moment of pride.


humility

<3 <3 <3


That or you could just quit being a weirdo


why not just leave him be and let him do him, either he will catch up to today's BW or today's BW will catch up to him.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8785 Posts
November 29 2018 07:54 GMT
#5157
im so glad i subscribed to this thread HAHAHAHAHAHA
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12024 Posts
November 29 2018 08:03 GMT
#5158
On November 29 2018 00:54 BLinD-RawR wrote:
snow map lmao


So happy there's finally a new one.
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
WaterSerpentM
Profile Joined November 2018
United Kingdom139 Posts
November 29 2018 20:20 GMT
#5159
On November 29 2018 06:18 docholiday_tv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2018 06:12 WaterSerpentM wrote:
On November 29 2018 06:07 RWLabs wrote:
My martial arts master is a scrub that only knows how to kick and punch, but can't do them correctly. If only he were googly mcgoogly grandmaster of the wiiiirld he could maybe have a chance of defending himself.

WSM, I think it'd save you a lot of embarrassment if you don't make up terms to downplay a moment of pride.


humility

<3 <3 <3


That or you could just quit being a weirdo


I will bunker rush your house =p
docholiday_tv
Profile Joined April 2017
108 Posts
November 29 2018 23:57 GMT
#5160
On November 30 2018 05:20 WaterSerpentM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2018 06:18 docholiday_tv wrote:
On November 29 2018 06:12 WaterSerpentM wrote:
On November 29 2018 06:07 RWLabs wrote:
My martial arts master is a scrub that only knows how to kick and punch, but can't do them correctly. If only he were googly mcgoogly grandmaster of the wiiiirld he could maybe have a chance of defending himself.

WSM, I think it'd save you a lot of embarrassment if you don't make up terms to downplay a moment of pride.


humility

<3 <3 <3


That or you could just quit being a weirdo


I will bunker rush your house =p

jokes on you, my house IS a bunker
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