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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5628 Posts
August 09 2017 13:12 GMT
#3801
On August 09 2017 21:54 mishimaBeef wrote:
Look like regular units in the presence of detection as well? Seems an assumption is made.

See second quote. If you think it could be worded in a better way, please feel free to submit an edit on liquipedia! (You can just use your TL account to sign in.)
FBH #1!
mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-09 13:15:08
August 09 2017 13:13 GMT
#3802
What does the "or hidden" mean in "cannot be cloaked or hidden" anyway?

The first quote is general, I'll admit, then the second introduces a special case. Unfortunately, there is unit, cloaked unit, vision and detection vision. And no mention of detection vision interacting with hallucination.
Dare to live the life you have dreamed for yourself. Go forward and make your dreams come true. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5628 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-09 13:35:23
August 09 2017 13:30 GMT
#3803
On August 09 2017 22:13 mishimaBeef wrote:
What does the "or hidden" mean in "cannot be cloaked or hidden" anyway?

The first quote is general, I'll admit, then the second introduces a special case. Unfortunately, there is unit, cloaked unit, vision and detection vision. And no mention of detection vision interacting with hallucination.

From having played a ton of SC:BW I automatically read it such as that arbiter cloak, nor burrow (which is mentioned on the page) would be work to 'hide' it, so don't bother trying to hide it from detectors.
I believe - recalling from memory here - you can load hallucinations into shuttles/dropships which could be seen as a way of hiding. Anyway. You're right: it should be edited. If you have a suggestions, please submit them on liquipedia.

Edit: For now I've removed 'or hidden' to avoid future confusion.
FBH #1!
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3694 Posts
August 09 2017 17:03 GMT
#3804
I got the weirdest bug:
Over the years I have accumulated quiet a lot of battle net accounts and given that blizz seems to be handing out beta invites for SCR by the day, I usually check all of them once per day. Doing so today I discovered the weirdest thing:
Some accounts get the new HD cursor upon login while others keep the old cursor that I get when I'm not logged in. And all accounts don't have SCR beta access.
sickkungen
Profile Joined July 2012
Sweden179 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-10 00:40:58
August 09 2017 23:18 GMT
#3805
Anyone else noticing that starcraft is basically forcing your windows resolution to 1920x1080 when tabbing? Really annoying

Game is almost unplayable for me combined with 1.19 input lag
iam_mala
Profile Joined August 2017
1 Post
August 10 2017 11:27 GMT
#3806
Hearing a lot of negative stuff about the 1.9 update. Lost my TL old account name
Clbull
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1439 Posts
August 10 2017 12:20 GMT
#3807
Tough question. It'll depend on how the metagame develops around a spell-less Brood War. Matchups change the situation around a bit, like:

TvZ - Zerg wins

Terran are very reliant on Science Vessels to counteract Mutalisk harassment. Without the ability to cast Irradiate, Heal or Stimpack, Muta harassment becomes fifteen times more effective. Building mass Goliaths to counteract this would lead to Terran being heavily countered in other areas. Without the ability to cast EMPs or Irradiates, SK Terran will also be unviable as a build order.

Terran could perhaps win a game with a pure Mech build but having to turtle against Mutalisk harassment will basically result in a self-contain situation, giving the Zerg player freedom to take bases across the entire map and outmacro.

The only time Terran will be strong is in the late game if they manage to build up a critical mass of Siege Tanks since there will be no Defilers to cast Plague or Dark Swarm, but at that point it's too little too late to even matter.

Oh wait, I forgot, Siege Mode is an ability. Nevermind. Zerg wins by default.

ZvP - Debatable

On one hand, Zerg has a huge advantage against Protoss in terms of how reliant they are on spellcasters in this matchup. Protoss rely far more on High Templar and Arbiters than Zerg does on Defilers and Queens.

On the other hand, Protoss can use Reavers instead of High Templar to inflict splash damage whereas Zerg have no substitutes for Dark Swarm.

It wouldn't affect the early game since the Bisu Build and the Zerg response to counteract it doesn't involve spellcasters. It will affect play later in the game though, especially since High Templar can't cast spells nor morph into Archons and Lurkers can't burrow. Victory will likely depend on timing attacks with Tier 1 and Tier 2 units, but Zerg has the obvious advantage in the late game.

TvP - Protoss wins

Both races rely heavily on spells and abilities in this matchup but Terran is moreso susceptible, since they rely heavily on zoning with Spider Mines and Siege Tanks, Without mines or Siege Mode, they will get overwhelmed by Gateway units alone.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10333 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-10 16:07:09
August 10 2017 16:02 GMT
#3808
Arbiters in ZvP? O_o That really only works on the scrub tier. Without a doubt Zerg would have a major advantage in a no-spell scenario.

Can't seem to find who you are answering here btw. EDIT: Oh you're pulling the classic TL "respond to the 4 year old OP that was posted a couple hundred pages ago" build.

Morphing archon/lurker and burrowing Lurker are most assuredly NOT spells as they don't need to be researched and cost no mana. Heal is debatable.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
JungleTerrain
Profile Joined January 2012
Chile799 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-11 01:11:34
August 11 2017 01:09 GMT
#3809
I was wondering if it was possible to have a Custom Maps subforum under Brood War, just like for SC2. I have been making maps since 2006, and there are others who have been doing it for even longer, or just as long as me, or some that want to get into map making. Map making is very important for BW, and it has shaped how the game has been played over almost 2 decades.

There are times where I would want to share my map, or even somebody else's, or even engage in map theory/discussion that is relevant to today's BW, but I don't want to clog up the general forum and it doesn't really belong in the others.

Is there a reason why we don't have one? Not enough BW Forum staff, etc? And any thoughts on the subject in general?
www.broodwarmaps.net
Ty2
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1434 Posts
August 11 2017 10:47 GMT
#3810
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Writer
duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
August 11 2017 16:07 GMT
#3811
Looks like Sen is back on the taiwanese server under "YioSen"

Currently playing against this taiwanese streamer Hui
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)STYLE START SBENU( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Espers
Profile Joined August 2009
United Kingdom606 Posts
August 11 2017 20:01 GMT
#3812
does anyone have a spare fish account to ladder with by any chance? o-o
mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-11 23:03:22
August 11 2017 22:54 GMT
#3813
*PvZ corsair timing discussion moved to strategy forums*

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-strategy/220903-simple-questions-simple-answers?page=332#6632
Dare to live the life you have dreamed for yourself. Go forward and make your dreams come true. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10333 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-11 23:05:47
August 11 2017 23:05 GMT
#3814
EDIT: Ninja'd
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10333 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-11 23:05:37
August 11 2017 23:05 GMT
#3815
EDIT: I'm dumb.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-12 08:57:19
August 12 2017 08:57 GMT
#3816
if i understood correctly BW will become SC:Remaster.
I preordered SC:Remaster. So does this means i bought a game i already have since i already own BW ?
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10333 Posts
August 12 2017 09:08 GMT
#3817
On August 12 2017 17:57 FFW_Rude wrote:
if i understood correctly BW will become SC:Remaster.
I preordered SC:Remaster. So does this means i bought a game i already have since i already own BW ?

Yes and no.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
August 12 2017 14:30 GMT
#3818
BW won't have matchmaking or ranked ladder as I understand it, only remastered.
Dare to live the life you have dreamed for yourself. Go forward and make your dreams come true. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4420 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-12 14:48:44
August 12 2017 14:47 GMT
#3819
Blizzard really went all out with the server descriptions in the server select menu huh?

Apparently East is hosted in the "City of the big shoulders" which i had to google.I've heard Chicago called The windy city but not that, I'm not American though of course.

They also claim East has more users than West and that East players use more strategies than West or something? I got a laugh out of it all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
necrosexy
Profile Joined March 2011
451 Posts
August 12 2017 19:24 GMT
#3820
why can't Afreeca use HTML5? FOR FUCK SAKES
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