On July 08 2013 00:17 RedW4rr10r wrote: This video indeed is sooo awesome! Brings back a lot of good memories and made me cry and goosebumps all over my body I'm surprised I've seen almost every match you've brought up in part 1 and 2
On July 07 2013 22:14 BerreLars wrote: When Kim held his speech I shed a tear. It's not "only a game", it's so much more! <3
Is there a translation out there? I tried to find one, but it seems I haven't tried hard enough. I'm pretty sure someone has translated his good bye speech.
On July 09 2013 10:03 Release wrote: Wow. Watching part 2 made me realize how far the level of starcraft dropped after JvF double finals.
There were still new builds coming out even after that, which was the surprising thing. It seemed that being mechanically superior and fully prepared was the way to go with all the JvF stuff. But near the end there we did see some new stuff in PvT and even saw the mech switch diminish in effectiveness.
tvt definitely changed a lot going away from bc/goliath (which had taken over some mass dropship like play) to more mass wraisu--leta vs flash in playoffs is a good example of the time when the transitioning styles sort of clashed/was getting a sneak peak at the changes to come--and fantasy was ushering in some new tvt play/tricks at the end in general and with dmatrix tank line breaks. gasless expo tvp got much bigger post leessangrok era.
All p matchups pvx were developing right at the end in pretty big/creative ways (mini, shy, dear leading the way a bit in creativity with horang2 also continuing new creativity); pvp never really changes drastically but people were doing some little corner cutting in dragoon range/robo timings, pvz mini and some others were doing more old school like dragoon reaver stuff, pvt saw some more cutesy things with arbiter recall on armies, more shuttle plays, even hallucination from shy. Plus jangbi brought carriers a bit more into style again (he did super weird carriers though)
zvt queen play developed mainly after bacchus when calm failed with his queens vs fantasy. Queen play was used some before right at the start of jvf msl final period (effort tried queens in korea air 1 osl for example) but I don't particularly remember it being successful until soulkey/zero had great success with it near abcmart, i.e. developed in 2010 (jvf year) and 2011 started having mainstream success--of course, I could be wrong but that felt post jvf. zvp unfrtunately like 20 different hydra bust builds got popular.
but in general play definitely did not drop post jvf--I think it increased in variety and strength for most pvx, tvt, tvp, and zvt. the last 2 playoffs were fantastic, just unfortunate that bacchus osl (fantasy > stork 3:0), abc msl (flash > zero 3:0), and tving osl (jangbi 3:1 fantasy) were kind of one sided or more boring finals. tvz +1 engi bay first builds got more refined, but tvz I think was generally the same except zergs got better.
Oh god I forgot about all the hydra bust builds. Every PvZ hinged on whether P could keep a probe alive long enough to see hydra den or spire. Even then zergs would cancel the spire. It almost became an automatic choice for Z because Ps had so much trouble stopping a proper hydra bust. There you were, waiting to see if storm would research in time. Some Ps realized that zealot aggression or early robos were the answer, but some never fucking learned.
Flash vs. Zero was indeed a roflstomp. Zero was known for coming up with some clever builds and being all-around a steady player. Those games were just whirlwinds of destruction.
for TvZ, wasn't the Fantasy build used a couple times near the end? There was also that weird divide of people going straight mech and those who only did the mech switch. Fantasy was definitely meching a lot, but Flash almost never did.
I think my favorite strategic development for TvZ was JD answering Flash's incessant 14cc with that crazily audacious 3 hatch before pool. It was such a short lived strat, but it was really quite interesting to see the T reaction. After that evened out there were a few too many Zs going 2-hatch muta for my liking.
On July 09 2013 10:03 Release wrote: Wow. Watching part 2 made me realize how far the level of starcraft dropped after JvF double finals.
There were still new builds coming out even after that, which was the surprising thing. It seemed that being mechanically superior and fully prepared was the way to go with all the JvF stuff. But near the end there we did see some new stuff in PvT and even saw the mech switch diminish in effectiveness.
Post JvF there were a lot of matchup changes.
TvT went from dropship-mech to mass wraiths to lategame BCs and back again, depending on the flavor of the month.
ZvZ began going lategame.
Hydras were getting used more often vs mech.
PvZ trend was mostly Zealot runby + timing pushes.
PvT went from carriers (Jangbi v Fantasy 1) to timing attacks/counterattacks (Jangbi v Fantasy 2)
Oh and can't forget the Queen vs Mech that Soulkey and Zero proliferated.
God i'm literrally crying from watching this... And kim carrier speach just started... And i don't even speak korean...
Please do continue your work. I didn't thought i'd cry over this...
Edit : just finished part 2 this morning. Seeing yellow bring so much good memories. You really did a great job. I reallllllyyyy want to watch the next videos.
2nd half of 2010-'08: Jaedong's and Flash's first OSL wins, 20 minutes of Stork, Skyhigh's reversed All-Kill in the Winners League Finals, Effort's OSL win, Jangbi's hallucinated Arbiter recalls, Tempest's hero dragoon, Really using medics in TvP to blind observers, Hiya's crazy ceremonies, some stuff of Calm, Zero, Fantasy, ... etc.
Also: Get hyped for the Tossgirl highlight in part 4. ^^
I have yet to start watching it but I'm so giddy and excited right now... and a bit scared to see it again and relive the highs and lows of BW... i'm afraid to see the end of BW again thanks so much for making this though!
On July 18 2013 21:54 Bisu-Fan wrote: I have yet to start watching it but I'm so giddy and excited right now... and a bit scared to see it again and relive the highs and lows of BW... i'm afraid to see the end of BW again thanks so much for making this though!
You will see the end of BW again... Kim's Carrier speech... But it's really worth watching. True i cried watching this (never expected too) but you will feel so good after this if you're a true fan of the game
EDIT : You are a bisu fan so i should have lied to you :p
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