Mondragon's ZvP Guide!

On July 14 2006 21:25 NerO wrote:
seriously exactly wut we need a guide to ZvP cus we all know zergs in general are having such a hard time w/ that matchup

On July 14 2006 21:41 bine wrote:
yea, seriously, i thought everyone just 12 hatch 11 pool all the time

On July 14 2006 21:46 mahnini wrote:


That's exactly what I do (did ) on most maps. Early game for me would always be a mad dash to secure my natural from manner workers .

On July 14 2006 21:40 mahnini wrote:
I never knew "9 hatch, 9 overlord, 9 pool, drones until 11" existed. Provides really good insight to the matchup. :O!

Midian write a ZvT guide, please please please.

On July 14 2006 21:40 mahnini wrote:
I never knew "9 hatch, 9 overlord, 9 pool, drones until 11" existed. Provides really good insight to the matchup. :O!

Midian write a ZvT guide, please please please.

On July 15 2006 01:50 b_unnies wrote:


i thought every1 knew that and i dont know how to play zerg -_-

On 14.07.2006 · 8:04 pm CET · by Mondragon:
Playing against different strategies:
How to play against 1 gate templar tree and fast corsair?
Just play your normal 9 hatch, 9 overlord, 9 pool fast expansion and don’t get harassed too much by the first zealot. Afterward you can push drones careless because you have one sunken with 6-8 lings, he can’t really attack you with 1 gate then. Just place one ling in front of his choke to see him attacking, then you can act and build one more sunken or just some lings. You better build your third hatch at your expansion and later build an evolution chamber and a spore against corsairs at your expansion. Overlords must be built at your expansion hatches therefore since the spore saves them against corairs. Just take care with lings that he can’t pass your expansion with a darktemplar / zealot / corsair harassment because you usually don’t have an overlord in your main. After researching your +1 carapace upgrade, go on with speedupgrade for lings, followed by lair and hydra den. While researching speedlings you can build some lings, and try to harass the protoss while expanding. The expansion of protoss comes quite early since he can save it with dark templars by killing all of your overlords. Nevertheless you can harass with 12 to 24 lings. Try to run into his main with 12 lings, while 12 other lings kill the cannons. If you’re lucky you can harass him as long as your lurkers arrive and then you’ve already won the game. If it does not work to kill him with lurkers go on with the usual strategy: Contain him with those lurkers, get map control with scourges and lurker contain, and keep expanding and teching to hive, ultralisks, mass lings, hydras.

On 14.07.2006 · 8:04 pm CET · by Mondragon:How to play against fast expansion followed by Corsairs & Reavers & Goons/Templars/…?
As mentioned above, you play it like against the “usual” fast expansion (zealots/goons/templars) at the beginning. Instead of teching to lurkers after your fourth hatch, you go for mass hydras and lair followed by the spire with +1 carapace upgrades immediately. As well as taking your mins only expansion you can take one or two other gas expansion which should be defended by 12 hydras to kill “little” drops of 2 reavers. Afterwards you should mix a combination of units including hydras and mutas which must have carapace upgrades and immediately tech to hive and devourer as soon as the +1 upgrade is finished and keep both upgrading muta carapace and hydras. Since you can’t spread overlords around your base due to the corsairs, you should try to spread lings all over the map to see if a drop is coming up. A zerg is never the attacker when the protoss plays fast expansion with corsairs and reavers, I repeat, NEVER EVER! Your task is to defend yourself well and earn gas over gas to make mutas, devourers, guardians, hydras, lings, ultras. Ultras and lings because the protoss will later on switch to templars/zealots/etc most likely. Another important thing against this strategy is that the protoss may not take another gas expansion, thus make sure to scout the map very very well. If he gets another gas expansion it might be your death.

On December 21 2006 11:10 BalloonFight wrote:
First off, thanks to Physician for the satanik guide. No clue how I missed it, but great reading material.

@Leath: When a protoss is going sair/dt, generally he will have 2-4 zealots, a goon, 1-2 dts, and of course a sair. The sair will most likely get the overlords you have on his perimeter, hopefully not more than 1-2. The lings, of which you can make 12-24 like mondi said, are used to delay his cannons from morphing at his expo, to kill his probe making the cannons, or to run in the P's base and harass.

What I like to do is to send a group of 12 to stop the 1-2 morphing cannons, then run right into the base if the ramp isn't blocked. He'll usually send most of his army then, probably the dts at the very little, which is when I send another group of 12 to try to have him cancel his nexus.

This should probably go without saying, but the reason you are trying to delay his cannons at his expo are, if you are going lurker tech, you can get lurkers up at the toss's base and completely deny the nexus if you stalled the cannons long enough.

Once lurkers are up, send an ol to your min only with a hydra or two to stop the sair, and expo.

On December 21 2006 13:10 Pressure wrote:
so many zerg threads
im going to switch to zerg, its just that im afraid of vessels.

On December 21 2006 13:15 Kennigit wrote:

just type "the gathering" into chat and spam dark swarm over the entire map, then you have nothing to worry about

On December 21 2006 13:19 GrandInquisitor wrote:


I wonder what a game would look like if the whole match had to be played under dark swarm across the whole map.

Terrans could only use firebat/med/mines (maybe tanks); protoss goes zealot/reav (maybe sair); zerg goes lurkling...

On December 21 2006 13:26 Locked wrote:



basically... zerg would win

and toss would beat terran

On December 21 2006 14:52 suxN wrote:
PvT... using couple zealots to slow terrans economy while building reaver drop? Any ways to stop it?

On July 14 2006 21:46 decafchicken wrote:
Didn't really say anything how about when/where to expo, and when/what hive tech.

On December 22 2006 09:50 MaNNeRDex wrote:
You expo near the minerals and gas. And he said that it was 9 hatch 9 ovie 9 pool did you really read this?

P.S. - Sorry for double post. X.x

On December 14 2007 02:40 Hyperionnn wrote:
FE than Corsair build and normal ground unit mass will kill this strat imo.(Beesuit omg)