EPTLiquipedia wall-in errors? - Page 2
| Forum Index > BW General |
|
Ejohrik
Sweden219 Posts
| ||
|
vanatir
Germany355 Posts
 edit: when u take the gas at 6 lings can pass there like hbr and so on. | ||
Sayle
United Kingdom3685 Posts
Now I can blame map, lag, dog, and Liquipedia! + Show Spoiler + Kidding, but really given that there are 28739 versions of BGH out there, this was sort of a no-brainer :/ | ||
|
soon.Cloak
United States983 Posts
| ||
|
traceurling
United States1240 Posts
| ||
]343[
United States10328 Posts
On May 14 2013 17:15 SnowFantasy wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/fpIF5AX.png) This is what I mean. Compare how the vespene geyser lines up with the green terrain marking in each screenshot.  darn, I guess this is what I meant (though I might've gotten confused with the gas location heh) building a extractor doesn't affect whether things can get through, whereas assimilators/refineries can block additional units (according to Liquipedia chart of "how far buildings jut out," which I'm pretty sure is correct) | ||
|
Fyrewolf
United States1533 Posts
On May 15 2013 00:22 ]343[ wrote: darn, I guess this is what I meant (though I might've gotten confused with the gas location heh) building a extractor doesn't affect whether things can get through, whereas assimilators/refineries can block additional units (according to Liquipedia chart of "how far buildings jut out," which I'm pretty sure is correct) What? Assimilators/refineries don't block additional units, they block less units. The chart isn't how far buildings jut out, it's how much smaller the building is compared to the box grid it sits on(add-ons do jut out towards their building by the amount that building is smaller on the right side though). For example: a refinery is narrower than a geyser by 8 pixels on the left side, so if a refinery is to the right of a building that is also smaller by at least 8 pixels on its right side(like a supply depot: 9 on the right), then it wouldn't be ling(16x16) tight, as there would be at least 16 combined pixels between the buildings. An assimilator is already narrower than the geyser by 16 pixels on the left, so lings will always be able to pass by the left side of an assimilator, Funnily enough, only zerg have any buildings that are exactly the same size as the box grid, the extractor and the nydus worm. | ||
|
]343[
United States10328 Posts
 | ||
2Pacalypse-
Croatia9517 Posts
![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images/6/60/Bghassimilatortrickgif.gif) Not at that position, but a similar gas trick. | ||
|
vanatir
Germany355 Posts
On May 15 2013 06:11 2Pacalypse- wrote: Even on the standard BGH map that wall is subject to the gas trick, which is actually well known in high level BGH games and it's interesting to see how people react to it. most likely with bm followed by gg ^^ | ||
|
2Pacalypse-
Croatia9517 Posts
Other way is to keep 2 scvs there, one blocking the gap and other repairing him while marine shoots from the back. It's hard to control lings through that little gap because only 1 can attack at a time and rest will bug out. | ||
Liquipedia
44 Posts
On May 14 2013 20:32 Sayle wrote: Sweet, another thing to blame losses on. Now I can blame map, lag, dog, and Liquipedia! + Show Spoiler + Kidding, but really given that there are 28739 versions of BGH out there, this was sort of a no-brainer :/ Please don't blame us for anything, we're only | ||
|
CrystalDrag
173 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/u50DUGG.jpg) No problem with Liquipedia Hope this helps. Edit : The zerg just wasted his time with the extractor, because the collision box of a vespene geyser and extractor are the same. | ||
|
ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3209 Posts
On May 15 2013 08:14 Liquipedia wrote: Please don't blame us for anything, we're only since liquipedia is here, i'd like to ask why hotlinking images is not allowed. | ||
|
rkffhk
474 Posts
Well, I tried it and the same thing happened. It was SCV, Marine, and Zealot safe... but it wasn't Ling safe. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/uNjlZ8j.png?1) After testing it with my SCVs and Marines I figured it would be ling safe... but NOPE! x_x | ||
|
ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3209 Posts
| ||
|
vndestiny
Singapore3441 Posts
On May 15 2013 17:25 rkffhk wrote: + Show Spoiler + So, a bunch of people were saying that my rax was just one square too far to the right. Well, I tried it and the same thing happened. It was SCV, Marine, and Zealot safe... but it wasn't Ling safe. After testing it with my SCVs and Marines I figured it would be ling safe... but NOPE! x_x Now the left of your wall is ling tight, but the middle isn't. Different version of the map is obviously different. From this picture and compare to the one in Liquipedia it's even more obvious. | ||
|
rkffhk
474 Posts
On May 15 2013 18:01 vndestiny wrote: Now the left of your wall is ling tight, but the middle isn't. Different version of the map is obviously different. From this picture and compare to the one in Liquipedia it's even more obvious. Right - that's what I was talking about earlier when I told the other guy to look at how the rax and depot line up. What a headache X_x | ||
|
Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On May 14 2013 17:11 Bakuryu wrote: u dont see that in the liquipedia one there is no space at the left side of the rax while in the bgh version there is a 1 hex space to the left side of the rax? because of this change the place slightly under the rax got changed as well, allowing lings to get in extractor on gas has no influence on gaps around it, only refinery and assimilator change the gaps. baku on point like always | ||
|
Fyrewolf
United States1533 Posts
On May 15 2013 17:25 rkffhk wrote: So, a bunch of people were saying that my rax was just one square too far to the right. Well, I tried it and the same thing happened. It was SCV, Marine, and Zealot safe... but it wasn't Ling safe. After testing it with my SCVs and Marines I figured it would be ling safe... but NOPE! x_x Everyone is saying that it ends up one square to the right because the choke is one square wider, it's that the map version is not the same as the liquipedia version, not that you screwed up the wall. As SnowFantasy pointed out, the green terrain markings show that in the version of the map you played, the extractor was moved one square to the right, making the liquipedia wall not work on this different version of the map(unless maybe if in that image the depot could also still be placed a square farther to the left and just have the corner touching the extractor possibly). | ||
| ||
