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Atticus.axl
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
November 14 2012 10:27 GMT
#201
God fucking damn it. *Throws hat into the dirt*
DoctorHelvetica <3
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51705 Posts
November 14 2012 10:27 GMT
#202
On November 14 2012 19:24 rotinegg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 19:16 ImbaTosS wrote:
Is there any way we can get in touch with Sonic personally? Does he speak any English? I would like to at the very least express how grateful I am for all he's doing, and beyond that to see if there's any way I can help out.

I'm sure there are plenty of bilinguals on TL who would be more than willing to translate your message, including myself


I know he reads teamliquid, I think he has an TL account too....
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rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
November 14 2012 10:28 GMT
#203
On November 14 2012 19:26 ImbaTosS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 19:24 rotinegg wrote:
On November 14 2012 19:16 ImbaTosS wrote:
Is there any way we can get in touch with Sonic personally? Does he speak any English? I would like to at the very least express how grateful I am for all he's doing, and beyond that to see if there's any way I can help out.

I'm sure there are plenty of bilinguals on TL who would be more than willing to translate your message, including myself

Is there a definite way to get it to him personally?

On November 14 2012 19:27 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 19:24 rotinegg wrote:
On November 14 2012 19:16 ImbaTosS wrote:
Is there any way we can get in touch with Sonic personally? Does he speak any English? I would like to at the very least express how grateful I am for all he's doing, and beyond that to see if there's any way I can help out.

I'm sure there are plenty of bilinguals on TL who would be more than willing to translate your message, including myself


I know he reads teamliquid, I think he has an TL account too....

I would loooooooooooove to send him a little PM expressing my gratitude
Translator
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
November 14 2012 10:30 GMT
#204
This should not only be featured but deserves a massive news post picture and graffitied blizzard people/logos. Justa disgrace, plain and simple. Maybe if sc2 felt half as exciting and well-planned as bw, and I'm confident that I'm not donning rose-coloured lenses when I make that observation. Ugh, why would you do this? (Rhetorical)
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11607 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 10:37:04
November 14 2012 10:34 GMT
#205
On November 14 2012 18:56 Shockk wrote:
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On November 14 2012 18:20 L_Master wrote:
What in the motherfucking hell is this bullshit!? Fucking kidding me?

Seriously blizzard FUCK YOU and go die in a fucking hole or something.

While this may not totally kill SSL, it certainly fucks up everyone that had invested in preparing a pretty awesome finals and what was a nicely run tournament.

All there is at the moment is one side of the story and so far there are four pages of massive anti-SC2, anti-Blizzard circlejerk, filled to the brim with hate and hyperbole. Sure, the current state of BW is nothing to be too happy about. But if this is TeamLiquid's reaction to the issue (or at least TL's BW crowd), then please, don't act surprised if TL and the "Broodwar elitists" are met with disdain everywhere else.

This may be one of the last great bastions of BW fandom on the web, this may be your little club to hang out and socialize, but you're doing an abysmal job of representing the oh-so "mature" StarCraft community.



Now do me a favor, and kindly get out of here with your clueless talk and ignorance.


Oh, I'll gladly leave. I appreciate your response; despite the overwhelming arrogance, yours is still one of the more level-headed replies.

While you're all busy circlejerking, remember that this thread and these posts are TL's response to the situation. You could have taken the high road, waited for the other side to make a statement and either stayed silent in the meantime or at least have taken a more civil approach. Instead, it's gone right to the ugly part - SC2 is killing BW, FUCK BLIZZARD, "we don't want SC2 fanboys in here", FUCK BLIZZARD, FUCK BLIZZARD. So mature. So manner.

Understand that I'm not taking any issues with you guys blowing off steam. I agree that it's very questionable what Blizzard did there. I understand passion, and hot-headed reactions regarding threats to one's hobby. But this thread is pathetic.

Ok. This is actually irritating me more than it ought to. Talk about arrogance. You pop in here all high and mighty saying what the BW forum is like these days. Actually, the BW subforum has been pretty upbeat and cheerful these days. You'd see more SC2 bashing in LR threads and the HotS subforum than you did in the BW subforum. The SC2 vs BW thing had kinda faded even. It was reasonably peaceable and forward looking.

There was hope. Things were picking up. We had new tournaments and old players coming back. And then this comes crashing down. A stake into these new found dreams. At the risk of sounding melodramatic, you show up at a gathering where news has just arrived of someone dear who might not make it.

And then you have the audacity to come in here and tell us we should take the high road. That this is the reason you don't like the BW subforum? Rain at a funeral man. Rain at a funeral.

This thread is not representative of the current state of BW subforums, nor will it be representative of it in the future. We're not even steamed about SC2 or SC2 fans. It's all about Blizzard.

I probably shouldn't have replied to that and I don't want to rabble. But there it is.
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Atticus.axl
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
November 14 2012 10:37 GMT
#206
Could you send him mine too rotinegg? This is the kind of thing that needs a giant card with everyone's signature and a note on it.
DoctorHelvetica <3
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 10:42:30
November 14 2012 10:38 GMT
#207
Does anyone know more details about the exact nature of the licensing stuff?

There has been a long standing stipulation that tournaments with a bigger than $5k prize pool (that SSL does have this season) have to negotiate licensing terms with Blizzard and I wonder if this is what has come up

See TB's blog regarding his SCI tournaments for SC2

You are probably aware that the standard tournament license has a $5000 limit on it. Go any higher than that and you have to arrange things with Blizzard, which as I've explained before, usually involves them taking a share of your ad revenue, which for this tournament would hurt us more than it would help.

Different games of course but I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard's licensing is the same across both. I believe this is the first season of the SSL to clear the $5k prize pool mark and perhaps this is what he's run into issues with?

Not sure if it is plausible but maybe he could just lower the prize pool to the $5k limit in the short term if this might be the case. I'm sure the players would understand and be sympathetic.
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
November 14 2012 10:40 GMT
#208
Blizzard, why the fuck do you want me to hate you?
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3711 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 10:43:35
November 14 2012 10:40 GMT
#209
On November 14 2012 16:46 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Ladies and Gentlemen would you please join me in the attempt to make the Biggest fuck you to Blizzard in Internet History?

FUCK OFF BLIZZARD!


Oh fuck yeah I do. What the fucking fuck blizzard, you want me to not buy any games from you again ever?
I was fucking looking forward to this and you have nothing better to do than fuck brood war after already forcing star 2 on kespa? It's ok that you think that your sad excuse of a brood war successor should be played by everyone and their mothers, but please let me fucking watch brood war, because thats what I fucking love doing. WTF is wrong with you people half of china plays your games pirated in pc bangs, maybe you should put more effort into doing something about that and less about fucking what is left of the greatest esports game of all time.

And just for the record, yeah I play star 2, yeah I enjoy it, yeah I watch it too, but watching Brood War is just the best thing to watch and I was really looking forward to the rest of SSL, and lets be honest brood war is by far the better game.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 10:46:39
November 14 2012 10:43 GMT
#210
On November 14 2012 19:38 Asha` wrote:
Does anyone know more details about the exact nature of the licensing stuff?

There has been a long standing stipulation that tournaments with a bigger than $5k prize pool (that SSL does have this season) have to negotiate licensing terms with Blizzard and I wonder if this is what has come up

See TB's blog regarding his SCI tournaments for SC2

Show nested quote +
You are probably aware that the standard tournament license has a $5000 limit on it. Go any higher than that and you have to arrange things with Blizzard, which as I've explained before, usually involves them taking a share of your ad revenue, which for this tournament would hurt us more than it would help.

Different games of course but I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard's licensing is the same across both. I believe this is the first season of the SSL to clear the $5k prize pool mark and perhaps this is what he's run into issues with?

Not sure if it is plausible but maybe he could just lower the prize pool to the $5k limit in the short term if this might be the case. I'm sure the players would understand and be sympathetic.

I think you are correct in your assessment of the situation. Not 100% sure, but my impression is that if he lower it then he would be able to continue as planned.

These licenses are standard though. And while the timing seems a bit suspect, Blizzard don't *really* deserve a big fuck you from the community. BW is simply being treated as if it were another ESPORT title owned by Blizz (i.e. the $5k limit is imposed). Sonic just wasn't aware of this, it's tough to blame him for the situation though because it isn't the most obvious thing in the world esp. given BWs past and no previous issues.
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
AssyrianKing
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia2134 Posts
November 14 2012 10:46 GMT
#211
On November 14 2012 19:43 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 19:38 Asha` wrote:
Does anyone know more details about the exact nature of the licensing stuff?

There has been a long standing stipulation that tournaments with a bigger than $5k prize pool (that SSL does have this season) have to negotiate licensing terms with Blizzard and I wonder if this is what has come up

See TB's blog regarding his SCI tournaments for SC2

You are probably aware that the standard tournament license has a $5000 limit on it. Go any higher than that and you have to arrange things with Blizzard, which as I've explained before, usually involves them taking a share of your ad revenue, which for this tournament would hurt us more than it would help.

Different games of course but I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard's licensing is the same across both. I believe this is the first season of the SSL to clear the $5k prize pool mark and perhaps this is what he's run into issues with?

Not sure if it is plausible but maybe he could just lower the prize pool to the $5k limit in the short term if this might be the case. I'm sure the players would understand and be sympathetic.

I think you are correct in your assessment of the situation. Not 100% sure, but my impression is that if he lower it then he would be able to continue as planned.



But why now out of all moments, there was an announcement and partnership months before the finals, it's just makes me angry...
John 15:13
imMUTAble787
Profile Joined November 2011
United States680 Posts
November 14 2012 10:46 GMT
#212
Shoutouts to Activision Blizzard.

Great company. They do awesome things like this, but no it doesn't stop there. They also employ creative geniuses like Browder and Kim.
*eternalenvy fanboy*
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 10:48:08
November 14 2012 10:47 GMT
#213
On November 14 2012 19:46 PiPoGevy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 19:43 Plexa wrote:
On November 14 2012 19:38 Asha` wrote:
Does anyone know more details about the exact nature of the licensing stuff?

There has been a long standing stipulation that tournaments with a bigger than $5k prize pool (that SSL does have this season) have to negotiate licensing terms with Blizzard and I wonder if this is what has come up

See TB's blog regarding his SCI tournaments for SC2

You are probably aware that the standard tournament license has a $5000 limit on it. Go any higher than that and you have to arrange things with Blizzard, which as I've explained before, usually involves them taking a share of your ad revenue, which for this tournament would hurt us more than it would help.

Different games of course but I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard's licensing is the same across both. I believe this is the first season of the SSL to clear the $5k prize pool mark and perhaps this is what he's run into issues with?

Not sure if it is plausible but maybe he could just lower the prize pool to the $5k limit in the short term if this might be the case. I'm sure the players would understand and be sympathetic.

I think you are correct in your assessment of the situation. Not 100% sure, but my impression is that if he lower it then he would be able to continue as planned.



But why now out of all moments, there was an announcement and partnership months before the finals, it's just makes me angry...
Yes the timing is very poor, but Blizz Korea are known for being notoriously slow with these things. Innocent mistake or intentional blow? It's difficult to tell. I really hope that things can be worked out, even if it means Sonic is capped at 5k for a while.
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
November 14 2012 10:47 GMT
#214
On November 14 2012 19:38 Asha` wrote:
Does anyone know more details about the exact nature of the licensing stuff?

There has been a long standing stipulation that tournaments with a bigger than $5k prize pool (that SSL does have this season) have to negotiate licensing terms with Blizzard and I wonder if this is what has come up

See TB's blog regarding his SCI tournaments for SC2

Show nested quote +
You are probably aware that the standard tournament license has a $5000 limit on it. Go any higher than that and you have to arrange things with Blizzard, which as I've explained before, usually involves them taking a share of your ad revenue, which for this tournament would hurt us more than it would help.

Different games of course but I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard's licensing is the same across both. I believe this is the first season of the SSL to clear the $5k prize pool mark and perhaps this is what he's run into issues with?

Not sure if it is plausible but maybe he could just lower the prize pool to the $5k limit in the short term if this might be the case. I'm sure the players would understand and be sympathetic.

I read a post on sonics page saying hte limit is $500 prize pool and he surpassed that amount on multiple tourneys..
Skeggaba
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Korea (South)1556 Posts
November 14 2012 10:50 GMT
#215
Go fuck a rake blizzard, and leave bw alone. It poses no threat to you anyways.
Also doesnt all this bullshit cost more than they actually would make for blizzard?
Bisu[about JD]=I was scared (laughs). The force emanating from his facial expression was so manly that I was even a little jealous.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
November 14 2012 10:51 GMT
#216
Out of all the things for Blizzard to worry about, why this.

Fuck off Blizz.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
Pro7ecT
Profile Joined September 2011
Korea (South)66 Posts
November 14 2012 10:52 GMT
#217
There is the "Blizzard Entertainment Online Tournament Agreement", it's a little bit an older version, but anyways..

+ Show Spoiler +


BLIZZARD ENTERTAINMENT ONLINE TOURNAMENT AGREEMENT

Last Revised July 27th 2010

1. Grant of Tournament License.

With regards to your request to host a tournament on the Battle.net® service that features Blizzard’s StarCraft® II: Wings of Liberty™ software (the “Game”), Blizzard Entertainment, Inc., a Delaware corporation (“Blizzard”), hereby grants, to you the a non-exclusive, royalty free, non-transferable, license and right to use and display the Game for an online tournament subject to Your adherence to the following terms and conditions:
* (a) The Tournament must be free to enter;
* (b) You may not charge any fees of any kind to watch the Tournament;
* (c) You may not accept advertising revenue of any kind in association with your hosting of the Tournament, nor can you accept funds or prizing from sponsors of the Tournament in excess of $5,000.00 USD in the aggregate for all Tournament sponsors;
* (c) The Tournament must be limited to 500 players or less;
* (d) You shall not alter or modify any part of the Game for any reason;
* (e) You may hold the Tournament in any country other than the Republic of Korea;
* and (f) it must be a requirement for your tournament that all entrants in the Tournament must be adults in their country of residence, or minors over the age of 13 with written permission from their parents to participate in the Tournament.

You understand and agree that You will responsible for all aspects of the Tournament, including without limitation:
* (a) drafting of all rules, policies, and procedures which will govern the Tournament (the “Rules”);
* (b) ensuring that all entrants are fully informed of the Rules;
* (c) awarding all prizes to the winners of the Tournament;
* (d) securing the receipt all applicable government approvals, licenses and permits necessary to organize the Tournament and exercise any and all of the rights granted to You by Blizzard hereunder;
* and (e) avoiding any deceptive, misleading or unethical trade practices.

2. Use of Blizzard’s Trademarks.

Additionally, Blizzard hereby grants, and You hereby accept, a limited, royalty free, non-exclusive license to utilize the Blizzard’s trademarks, logos, and copyrighted content associated with the Game in advertisements, posters, flyers, and websites related to the Tournament, subject to Your adherence to Blizzard’s Trademark and Copyrighted Content Acceptable Use Guidelines, available at http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/termsofuse.html. Note that you may not issue a press release using Blizzard’s name, trademarks or referencing the Game without Blizzard prior approval. Should you wish to have Blizzard review your proposed press release, you may email your request to pr@blizzard.com.

3. Ownership.

Blizzard Entertainment owns and shall retain all proprietary rights in the Game and the Blizzard Intellectual Property, and You agree that it will not at any time during or after this Agreement assert or claim any interest in or do anything that may adversely affect the validity or enforceability of Blizzard Entertainment’s rights in Game and/or the Blizzard Intellectual Property (including, without limitation, any act, or assistance to any act, which may infringe or lead to the infringement of any copyright in the Game). Blizzard Entertainment shall own all proprietary rights in all Marketing Materials that contain Blizzard Intellectual Property.

4. Representations, Warranties, and Indemnity.

You hereby represent and warrant that:
* (i) You have the full right and power to enter into this Agreement;
* (ii) You have the necessary rights to host the Tournament;
* and (iii) You will comply with all laws related to its performance hereunder.

You agree that you shall defend, indemnify and hold harmless Blizzard, and its affiliated companies (including, without limitation, Blizzard) and their respective employees, directors and officers from and against any and all expenses, judgments, awards, fines, and fees (including reasonable attorneys’ fees) solely with respect to any third party claims or actions brought against them which claims or actions arise out of the Tournament or any breach or alleged breach of any of Your representations, warranties or obligations hereunder. The obligations described in this section shall survive the termination or expiration of this Agreement.

5. Term.

This Agreement shall commence on the date that the license is sent to you at your email address and thereafter shall remain in effect (unless and until earlier terminated as set forth in this Section) for one (1) year (the “Term”). Blizzard may terminate this Agreement immediately in the event that You:
* (a) commit a material breach any of representation, warranty or obligation made by You hereunder;
* (b) make or attempt any unauthorized assignment for the benefit of creditors, file any petition for reorganization, readjustment or rearrangement of Your business or affairs under the laws of any jurisdiction relating to relief of debtors, bankruptcy or insolvency;
* (c) suffer a receiver or trustee to be appointed for its business or property, or (c) discontinue Your business, or be adjudicated bankrupt or insolvent.

In such an event, all rights granted under this Agreement to You shall immediately and automatically expire, and You shall cease all exercise of any rights granted under this Agreement, including without limitation the Tournaments and use of materials that use Blizzard’s trademarks or copyrighted content.

6. Miscellaneous.

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Arterial
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1039 Posts
November 14 2012 10:53 GMT
#218
i have to agree with others when they say fuck blizzard.
savior & jaedong
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
November 14 2012 10:54 GMT
#219
On November 14 2012 19:47 JohnChoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 19:38 Asha` wrote:
Does anyone know more details about the exact nature of the licensing stuff?

There has been a long standing stipulation that tournaments with a bigger than $5k prize pool (that SSL does have this season) have to negotiate licensing terms with Blizzard and I wonder if this is what has come up

See TB's blog regarding his SCI tournaments for SC2

You are probably aware that the standard tournament license has a $5000 limit on it. Go any higher than that and you have to arrange things with Blizzard, which as I've explained before, usually involves them taking a share of your ad revenue, which for this tournament would hurt us more than it would help.

Different games of course but I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard's licensing is the same across both. I believe this is the first season of the SSL to clear the $5k prize pool mark and perhaps this is what he's run into issues with?

Not sure if it is plausible but maybe he could just lower the prize pool to the $5k limit in the short term if this might be the case. I'm sure the players would understand and be sympathetic.

I read a post on sonics page saying hte limit is $500 prize pool and he surpassed that amount on multiple tourneys..

source

last (event, not official .. like 6.5) SSL had a sponsor and 3k prize pool which is well over 500 .. along w/ many of his other SSLs and BJ Ranking tourneys

So Blizz has separate rules for SC2 and BW for prize pool limits.
Writerptrk
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51705 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 10:55:03
November 14 2012 10:54 GMT
#220
I'm most worried about this lawsuit on Nexcom/afreeca

BTW its $5000 not $500
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