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Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 10:54:42
November 14 2012 10:54 GMT
#221
On November 14 2012 19:50 Skeggaba wrote:
Go fuck a rake blizzard, and leave bw alone. It poses no threat to you anyways.
Also doesnt all this bullshit cost more than they actually would make for blizzard?

Corporate mentality:
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If one person gets away with it everyone will start doing it! We'll lose millions!


I guess.
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Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
November 14 2012 10:55 GMT
#222
On November 14 2012 19:52 Pro7ecT wrote:
There is the "Blizzard Entertainment Online Tournament Agreement", it's a little bit an older version, but anyways..

...

* (e) You may hold the Tournament in any country other than the Republic of Korea;


~_~
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
November 14 2012 10:56 GMT
#223
On November 14 2012 19:54 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I'm most worried about this lawsuit on Nexcom/afreeca

BTW its $5000 not $500

Im trying to tell ppl that its actually $500 arvickhero cleared it up theres seperate terms for scbw and sc2...
it may also be seperate for blizzard korea and blizzard any other part of the world? not sure
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
November 14 2012 10:57 GMT
#224
I'm not sure if I should cry or get angry.
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ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 10:59:50
November 14 2012 10:57 GMT
#225
On November 14 2012 19:54 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I'm most worried about this lawsuit on Nexcom/afreeca

BTW its $5000 not $500

50만원 = 500k Won = 460 dollars. So actually, even less than $500 no wait actually they meant $500 lol

quoting my post again incase ppl missed it:
On November 14 2012 19:54 ArvickHero wrote:
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On November 14 2012 19:47 JohnChoi wrote:
On November 14 2012 19:38 Asha` wrote:
Does anyone know more details about the exact nature of the licensing stuff?

There has been a long standing stipulation that tournaments with a bigger than $5k prize pool (that SSL does have this season) have to negotiate licensing terms with Blizzard and I wonder if this is what has come up

See TB's blog regarding his SCI tournaments for SC2

You are probably aware that the standard tournament license has a $5000 limit on it. Go any higher than that and you have to arrange things with Blizzard, which as I've explained before, usually involves them taking a share of your ad revenue, which for this tournament would hurt us more than it would help.

Different games of course but I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard's licensing is the same across both. I believe this is the first season of the SSL to clear the $5k prize pool mark and perhaps this is what he's run into issues with?

Not sure if it is plausible but maybe he could just lower the prize pool to the $5k limit in the short term if this might be the case. I'm sure the players would understand and be sympathetic.

I read a post on sonics page saying hte limit is $500 prize pool and he surpassed that amount on multiple tourneys..

source

last (event, not official .. like 6.5) SSL had a sponsor and 3k prize pool which is well over 500 .. along w/ many of his other SSLs and BJ Ranking tourneys

So Blizz has separate rules for SC2 and BW for prize pool limits.
Writerptrk
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 10:58:53
November 14 2012 10:58 GMT
#226
On November 14 2012 19:55 Gamegene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 19:52 Pro7ecT wrote:
There is the "Blizzard Entertainment Online Tournament Agreement", it's a little bit an older version, but anyways..

...

* (e) You may hold the Tournament in any country other than the Republic of Korea;


~_~

It says the license is specifically for SC2:WoL though. It would be nice if we could do something like make a donation to Sonic for license fee.
Woo Jung Ho
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 10:59:20
November 14 2012 10:58 GMT
#227
Thanks Arvick. Interesting that it's so much lower on the BW terms.

I guess that's a bit problematic if he's been so much over it repeatedly =(
REDBLUEGREEN
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Germany1904 Posts
November 14 2012 11:00 GMT
#228
Go host finals in Pyongyang, fuck these capitalist sharks!
...ahhhh sigh...so sad
really, fuck you blizzard...
Kanil
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1713 Posts
November 14 2012 11:03 GMT
#229
On one hand, I like fuck Blizzard threads. Fuck Blizzard.

On the other, I'm really tired of SC2 vs BW threads. They're exhausting.

Let's focus on the positives and just chant "Fuck Blizzard" for a while, shall we?
I used to have an Oz icon over here ---->
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
November 14 2012 11:04 GMT
#230
On November 14 2012 19:58 iLoveKT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 19:55 Gamegene wrote:
On November 14 2012 19:52 Pro7ecT wrote:
There is the "Blizzard Entertainment Online Tournament Agreement", it's a little bit an older version, but anyways..

...

* (e) You may hold the Tournament in any country other than the Republic of Korea;


~_~

It says the license is specifically for SC2:WoL though. It would be nice if we could do something like make a donation to Sonic for license fee.

This isn't a bad idea.
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
November 14 2012 11:05 GMT
#231
On November 14 2012 19:52 Pro7ecT wrote:
There is the "Blizzard Entertainment Online Tournament Agreement", it's a little bit an older version, but anyways..

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BLIZZARD ENTERTAINMENT ONLINE TOURNAMENT AGREEMENT

Last Revised July 27th 2010

1. Grant of Tournament License.

With regards to your request to host a tournament on the Battle.net® service that features Blizzard’s StarCraft® II: Wings of Liberty™ software (the “Game”), Blizzard Entertainment, Inc., a Delaware corporation (“Blizzard”), hereby grants, to you the a non-exclusive, royalty free, non-transferable, license and right to use and display the Game for an online tournament subject to Your adherence to the following terms and conditions:
* (a) The Tournament must be free to enter;
* (b) You may not charge any fees of any kind to watch the Tournament;
* (c) You may not accept advertising revenue of any kind in association with your hosting of the Tournament, nor can you accept funds or prizing from sponsors of the Tournament in excess of $5,000.00 USD in the aggregate for all Tournament sponsors;
* (c) The Tournament must be limited to 500 players or less;
* (d) You shall not alter or modify any part of the Game for any reason;
* (e) You may hold the Tournament in any country other than the Republic of Korea;
* and (f) it must be a requirement for your tournament that all entrants in the Tournament must be adults in their country of residence, or minors over the age of 13 with written permission from their parents to participate in the Tournament.

You understand and agree that You will responsible for all aspects of the Tournament, including without limitation:
* (a) drafting of all rules, policies, and procedures which will govern the Tournament (the “Rules”);
* (b) ensuring that all entrants are fully informed of the Rules;
* (c) awarding all prizes to the winners of the Tournament;
* (d) securing the receipt all applicable government approvals, licenses and permits necessary to organize the Tournament and exercise any and all of the rights granted to You by Blizzard hereunder;
* and (e) avoiding any deceptive, misleading or unethical trade practices.

2. Use of Blizzard’s Trademarks.

Additionally, Blizzard hereby grants, and You hereby accept, a limited, royalty free, non-exclusive license to utilize the Blizzard’s trademarks, logos, and copyrighted content associated with the Game in advertisements, posters, flyers, and websites related to the Tournament, subject to Your adherence to Blizzard’s Trademark and Copyrighted Content Acceptable Use Guidelines, available at http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/termsofuse.html. Note that you may not issue a press release using Blizzard’s name, trademarks or referencing the Game without Blizzard prior approval. Should you wish to have Blizzard review your proposed press release, you may email your request to pr@blizzard.com.

3. Ownership.

Blizzard Entertainment owns and shall retain all proprietary rights in the Game and the Blizzard Intellectual Property, and You agree that it will not at any time during or after this Agreement assert or claim any interest in or do anything that may adversely affect the validity or enforceability of Blizzard Entertainment’s rights in Game and/or the Blizzard Intellectual Property (including, without limitation, any act, or assistance to any act, which may infringe or lead to the infringement of any copyright in the Game). Blizzard Entertainment shall own all proprietary rights in all Marketing Materials that contain Blizzard Intellectual Property.

4. Representations, Warranties, and Indemnity.

You hereby represent and warrant that:
* (i) You have the full right and power to enter into this Agreement;
* (ii) You have the necessary rights to host the Tournament;
* and (iii) You will comply with all laws related to its performance hereunder.

You agree that you shall defend, indemnify and hold harmless Blizzard, and its affiliated companies (including, without limitation, Blizzard) and their respective employees, directors and officers from and against any and all expenses, judgments, awards, fines, and fees (including reasonable attorneys’ fees) solely with respect to any third party claims or actions brought against them which claims or actions arise out of the Tournament or any breach or alleged breach of any of Your representations, warranties or obligations hereunder. The obligations described in this section shall survive the termination or expiration of this Agreement.

5. Term.

This Agreement shall commence on the date that the license is sent to you at your email address and thereafter shall remain in effect (unless and until earlier terminated as set forth in this Section) for one (1) year (the “Term”). Blizzard may terminate this Agreement immediately in the event that You:
* (a) commit a material breach any of representation, warranty or obligation made by You hereunder;
* (b) make or attempt any unauthorized assignment for the benefit of creditors, file any petition for reorganization, readjustment or rearrangement of Your business or affairs under the laws of any jurisdiction relating to relief of debtors, bankruptcy or insolvency;
* (c) suffer a receiver or trustee to be appointed for its business or property, or (c) discontinue Your business, or be adjudicated bankrupt or insolvent.

In such an event, all rights granted under this Agreement to You shall immediately and automatically expire, and You shall cease all exercise of any rights granted under this Agreement, including without limitation the Tournaments and use of materials that use Blizzard’s trademarks or copyrighted content.

6. Miscellaneous.

All costs, stamp duties, taxes and other similar levies arising from or in connection with the conclusion of this Agreement shall be borne by You. Neither party shall be liable for any delay in the performance of its duties or responsibilities contained herein that result from any cause beyond its reasonable control or caused by acts of God, acts of civil or military authorities, fires, strikes, floods, epidemics, governmental rules or regulations, terrorism, war, riot, delays in transportation or shortages. Blizzard’s relationship with You during the term of this Agreement will be that of an independent contractor. Failure to enforce any rights hereunder shall not constitute a waiver of those rights in the future or any other rights. If any provisions of this Agreement are invalid under any applicable statute or rule of law, they are, to that extent, deemed omitted, and the balance of this Agreement will be enforceable in accordance with its terms. This Agreement may not be modified or changed except by an instrument in writing executed by both parties. In the event of litigation between the parties hereto, the prevailing party shall be entitled to recover reasonable attorney’s fees in addition to other relief as the court may award. This Agreement shall be construed and enforced in accordance with the law of the State of California, except for its conflict of laws provision, and all legal actions related to this Agreement shall be filed in Federal or State court in Los Angeles, California. This Agreement contains the entire understanding between the parties with respect to the subject of this Agreement supersedes all previous written or oral negotiations, commitments and undertakings related thereto. Sections 3, 4, and 6 shall survive any expiration or termination of this Agreement.


This says Blizzard Online Tournament, would it still be in effect for SSL?

I mean, in SC2 every bullshit they do is online, but BW actually has LAN and the SSL has been played offline (at least partially).
"When the geyser died, a probe came out" - SirJolt
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50623 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 11:06:15
November 14 2012 11:05 GMT
#232
On November 14 2012 20:03 Kanil wrote:
On one hand, I like fuck Blizzard threads. Fuck Blizzard.

On the other, I'm really tired of SC2 vs BW threads. They're exhausting.

Let's focus on the positives and just chant "Fuck Blizzard" for a while, shall we?


this is most certainly the former nobody is focusing on the latter.
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soujiro_
Profile Joined June 2010
Uruguay5195 Posts
November 14 2012 11:07 GMT
#233
if it wasn a zvz i would be raging
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jk


die blizzard die
ace hwaiting!!
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
November 14 2012 11:07 GMT
#234
On November 14 2012 20:00 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
Go host finals in Pyongyang, fuck these capitalist sharks!
...ahhhh sigh...so sad
really, fuck you blizzard...


this made me laugh lol

and btw
fuck you blizzard
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Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
November 14 2012 11:07 GMT
#235
Someone contact sonic and see how much the fee is.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
blacksheepwall
Profile Joined June 2011
China1530 Posts
November 14 2012 11:11 GMT
#236
Bizarre move from Blizz. Feel that they should've pointed out the lack of licensing but then drastically lowered the fee or just supported it or just turned a blind eye totally.

This game is why many of us bought SC II, sure, I don't follow the BW scene very closely anymore, but BW is what got me into RTS games in the first place.
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gds
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Iceland1391 Posts
November 14 2012 11:16 GMT
#237
Fucking idiots...
ErAsc2
Profile Joined May 2012
Sweden256 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 11:23:31
November 14 2012 11:23 GMT
#238
I really wish Blizzard would be more a part of the community. I wanna hear them defending themselves at this, now we've just heard 1 side of the story and terrible posts like...
Ladies and Gentlemen would you please join me in the attempt to make the Biggest fuck you to Blizzard in Internet History?

FUCK OFF BLIZZARD!
...from bandwagoneers/witch-hunters.
Swedish GM Protoss http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2336142/1/MilkEA/
Sphen5117
Profile Joined September 2011
United States413 Posts
November 14 2012 11:23 GMT
#239
I don't touch BW, and am fully on the SC2 bandwagon, and it doesn't deaden my disappointment in Blizzard for this. Balls.
Kittan
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland3999 Posts
November 14 2012 11:24 GMT
#240
What in the actual fuck, Blizzard? Just what are they thinking when they pull out this stupid crap? SSL is the rebirth of BW, it's glorious return to very roots and Blizzard steps in and kills it? And they are to sue Afreeca?

Just... WHAT THE FUCK BLIZZARD STOP TRYING TO KILL BW. YOU ALREADY DID IT ONCE, DON'T FINISH THE JOB.

On November 14 2012 16:46 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Ladies and Gentlemen would you please join me in the attempt to make the Biggest fuck you to Blizzard in Internet History?

FUCK OFF BLIZZARD!

This.

On November 14 2012 20:04 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 19:58 iLoveKT wrote:
On November 14 2012 19:55 Gamegene wrote:
On November 14 2012 19:52 Pro7ecT wrote:
There is the "Blizzard Entertainment Online Tournament Agreement", it's a little bit an older version, but anyways..

...

* (e) You may hold the Tournament in any country other than the Republic of Korea;


~_~

It says the license is specifically for SC2:WoL though. It would be nice if we could do something like make a donation to Sonic for license fee.

This isn't a bad idea.

Also this, it's a way we could help provided Blizzard lowers the major-entertainment broadcasting company level fee.

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