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Priidrik
Profile Joined April 2011
Estonia33 Posts
October 28 2012 11:57 GMT
#1
Hi TL!
One of windows 8's prerelease versions I tried had a new feature that improved compatibility with some of the older games like BW. Under the compatibility tab under properties there was a checkbox, which would fix certain color errors with BW (such as start screen being light blue). I am however unaware whether it exists on the release version. So it is unconfirmed at the moment. If this was true it would be a great improvement over windows 7/Vista. Could someone who has windows 8 confirm this?
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razorsuKe
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2000 Posts
October 28 2012 12:15 GMT
#2
BW works perfectly fine with Vista
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cpc
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia126 Posts
October 28 2012 12:39 GMT
#3
BW works fine on windows 8 without any colour issues but the bnet interface is a bit messed up so if you want that you really need to be using window mode. Otherwise everything is fine for me.

I don't know anything about this checkbox you mention all ddraw games I've tried on w8 have been fine without adjusting the settings afaik.
sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
October 28 2012 15:43 GMT
#4
it works without any collor issues on window 7 with my change resolution tab open.
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
October 28 2012 16:01 GMT
#5
Most important question: does BW do not freeze under W8?

I've been losing won games due to BW deciding to freeze before my opponents gg out
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sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
October 28 2012 16:52 GMT
#6
On October 29 2012 01:01 fabiano wrote:
Most important question: does BW do not freeze under W8?

I've been losing won games due to BW deciding to freeze before my opponents gg out

have you disabled collour cycling at the video options in game?
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10162 Posts
October 28 2012 17:12 GMT
#7
On October 28 2012 21:15 razorsuKe wrote:
BW works perfectly fine with Vista

^this. been playing BW on two vista's for about 2 years. no problem.
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chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2606 Posts
October 28 2012 17:22 GMT
#8
I do not have any problems in playing BW fullscreen on Win7 either. No freezes, only the rankicons are missing in the lobby, but since you can just check their profile to get their ranking it doesnt matter to much.^^

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Kibibit
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1551 Posts
October 28 2012 17:32 GMT
#9
On October 29 2012 02:22 chrisolo wrote:
I do not have any problems in playing BW fullscreen on Win7 either. No freezes, only the rankicons are missing in the lobby, but since you can just check their profile to get their ranking it doesnt matter to much.^^


The freezing thing is wierd because it seems to vary from computer to computer. My computer crashes while running BW while the one downstairs does not, despite both running Win7 Home edition.
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fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
October 28 2012 17:36 GMT
#10
On October 29 2012 01:52 sabas123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2012 01:01 fabiano wrote:
Most important question: does BW do not freeze under W8?

I've been losing won games due to BW deciding to freeze before my opponents gg out

have you disabled collour cycling at the video options in game?


I'vent tried that, will give it a shot.
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wptlzkwjd
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1240 Posts
November 21 2012 04:57 GMT
#11
I've just installed Windows 8 and for some reason, BW lags like crazy. Not the stop and go kind of lag but just a general massive drop in FPS to the point where my key strokes are actually too slow to input between my mouse clicks. Has anyone else experienced this problem?
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Forcewater
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom206 Posts
November 21 2012 05:01 GMT
#12
On November 21 2012 13:57 wptlzkwjd wrote:
I've just installed Windows 8 and for some reason, BW lags like crazy. Not the stop and go kind of lag but just a general massive drop in FPS to the point where my key strokes are actually too slow to input between my mouse clicks. Has anyone else experienced this problem?


Have you toggled the CPU throttling option?

Try the CPU saviour plugin: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=66104
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Pucca
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Taiwan1280 Posts
November 21 2012 07:39 GMT
#13
Windows 7 freezing as a result of running BW in full screen mode is a simple fix. Run the game, go to the processes and right click on startcraft and then choose set affinity. You need admin privileges to do this so just click on the icon in the bottom left hand part of the window that says show all processes.

Select just one core for brood war to run in and then your good.

Brood war has issues running with more than 1 core systems and graphics cards is also an issue for it to run. I have a headset as well that just will not run brood war sounds. Brood war will not emit the sounds through the headset for whatever reason. Brood war is about trial an error for it work correctly.
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Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4782 Posts
November 21 2012 07:50 GMT
#14
On November 21 2012 16:39 Pucca wrote:
Windows 7 freezing as a result of running BW in full screen mode is a simple fix. Run the game, go to the processes and right click on startcraft and then choose set affinity. You need admin privileges to do this so just click on the icon in the bottom left hand part of the window that says show all processes.

Select just one core for brood war to run in and then your good.

Brood war has issues running with more than 1 core systems and graphics cards is also an issue for it to run. I have a headset as well that just will not run brood war sounds. Brood war will not emit the sounds through the headset for whatever reason. Brood war is about trial an error for it work correctly.


Did not fix my issues with win7, hence I have for the past 2 years had a desktop with win95 to play all my old games.
Ahli
Profile Joined May 2012
Germany355 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-21 09:36:32
November 21 2012 09:29 GMT
#15
My recommendations:

Win8:
- win7 compatibility
- cpu throttling (color cycling seems to not slow down the game)

remaining problems:
- bnet doesn't show the icons like ping bars (ddemulate totally screws the bnet UI in win8, so don't use it)

Win7:
- win98/ME compatibility
- disable desktop composition (disables glass effect while application runs)
- cpu throttling, disable color cycling (maybe even animated portraits)
- get the color fix and execute it (you can open the files with a text editor to see its content... they add values to the registry):
32-bit: http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/starcraft/scbw116_x86.reg
64-bit: http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/starcraft/scbw116_x64.reg
- make a shortcut and add " ddemulate" at the end of the target line to fix the icons in battle.net. It would look like this:
"E:\Games\Starcraft\StarCraft.exe ddemulate". Use the shortcut to start the game and apply the other compatibility changes to it.
- I think there was a problem with black screenshots in direct draw games. Just try to make a screenshot ingame and check if it is black (it's created in your starcraft folder).
If it is black, you need to change a value in the registry to fix it. Find "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\DirectDraw" in your registry and check "EnablePrintScreen" to be enabled (dword:00000001).

Vista:
- same as Win7, if I remember it correctly


Black borders on the screen/not fullscreen:
- that's likely to be caused by your graphic card's driver settings. Check the program that comes with your driver to alter settings.



I've the impression Broodwar runs better on Win8 than on Win7/Vista.
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Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
November 21 2012 11:31 GMT
#16
This might be a bit offtopic, but seeing how other people comment on windows 7/vista, i'll give my experiences.
Note that i am not quite a computer expert, so i might be doing things wrong.

Windows vista has no problems at all for me. I redownloaded the game via battle.net and it runs smoothly, without any color issues.
Windows 7 does give some problems, even when downloaded from battle.net. Whenever i open starcraft, i get a black screen. the music's fine, i can even go through the menu's, without seeing anything, but the black screen remains. I fixed that by going to control panel -> device manager -> display adapters and disable (in my case) ADM radeon HD 6470M. After that it works without a problem, no color issues whatsoever.
Please take note that the computers i tried for this had a different hardware setup.
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
November 21 2012 11:51 GMT
#17
Playing windowed mode solved the problem for me on Windows 7, I have no issues so as long as you can get accustomed to windowed mode it's fine

Windowed mode is in ICCup launcher
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makmeatt
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
2024 Posts
November 21 2012 12:03 GMT
#18
Since we're on topic, does anyone know the cause behind the game freezing up the entire system when in fullscreen? When I launch it like that on Windows 7, it's only a matter of time - usually around fifteen minutes, sometimes even hours - before the computer just stops responding to any input and freezes up, even though the music is still going on.
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fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
November 21 2012 12:26 GMT
#19
Pucca, except for set affinity, I've tried all that and none of that worked.

Will give a chance to set affinity though, looks promising.
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andiCR
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2273 Posts
November 21 2012 12:46 GMT
#20
The cause of this is a DirectDraw race with WWDM apparently. It freezes display and input, but procesada keep running un the background. http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-gaming/directdraw-applications-freeze-on-windows-7/4e83dac8-8d4d-4dad-9f1d-e08fa2fe1e48
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DirectDraw applications Freeze on Windows 7 anywhere between 1 minute and 3 hours into running them.


Scouring the web, I have come to the conclusion that this is a Windows 7 issue, and there is no link between hardware, or drivers as it occurs on ATI, Intel and Nvidia chips.

Games such as Starcraft may freeze as soon as you hit the first menu screen, or as late as half way through a mission.
Age of Empires * games freeze on a black screen between the last intro video and the main menu (but as tested so far once in a mission will not freeze)
Warcraft 2 BNE is the same as Starcraft.

Worms Armageddon is effected randomly as well.

Heroes of might and magic 1 and 2

Starlancer (between missions or on he main menu)

Blood Omen during during movie sequences

So far i've verified that
Affinity does not fix it.
Process Priority does not fix it.
End tasking or pausing Explorer does not fix it.
Selective startup does not fix it.

Running without drivers will not fix it (don't even bother suggesting it).

This is an issue that doesn't have any correlation to system configuration, The game that gets the most coverage with this issue is Starcraft and though that might get a Patch, its no doubt that the Age of empires games won't.

The freeze is not a hardlock, rather its a freeze of the display and input controls. Processes in the background continue running and if you are in a chat on skype or xfire these continue as well according to some users.

Someone mentioned a Race issue between Ddraw and WDDM, but i've no idea how to verify that.

Specific Starcraft issue is here http://www.sevenforums.com/gaming/11659-starcraft-freezes-after-1-5-minutes-playing.html
http://www.sevenforums.com/gaming/10190-starcraft-system-crash.html

but Issues for Age of empires and worms can be found across the internet.
theres even on here
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/w7itproappcompat/thread/bde26b63-e8fc-46ac-8541-7f8154c8328d

Note: All the fixes known to work on Vista, do not work on Windows 7.

This issue only occurs in games that also have the bad colours issue, so basically any 8bit/256 colour titles. 16bpp appear to be fine.
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