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(viet)TyPe_R
Profile Joined February 2003
Vietnam156 Posts
May 09 2003 06:49 GMT
#261
my highest apm rite now is 197
AkA Ch33z, Cheez
Keanu_Reaver
Profile Joined March 2003
Djibouti1432 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-05-09 10:36:29
May 09 2003 10:35 GMT
#262
It seems to me people have a false notion on what gives a person fast hands. Progamers do not monopolize the market on fast hands ok? I'm sure martial artists who don't even know what sc is will be able to get around 60 apm when they first get the game, but after figuring out all the ins and outs of the game and start utilizing all thats given to them, is it really so hard to figure out they will suddenly reach high 200's or 300's?

How is this different from Dudey and Freak? Dudey goes from doing stupid strats and just trying to have fun to suddenly trying really hard and using all that is given to him from the game and he rises a bunch in apm...he's just got fast hands and before he wasn't utilizing all that was given to him, its not so illogical to think this situation did occur, especially given the fact that he took a pic of him+comp screen, didn't relog, and played veg getting 265 apm.

And in Freak's defense, I've known the guy for a pretty long time and we've talked/gamed alot. If there was anything that ever put him on a higher tier than me it was his speed...infact 170 sounds quite low for him, he's just got fast hands.
why did the baby cross the road? because it was stapled to the chicken!
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10708 Posts
May 09 2003 12:08 GMT
#263
Theres no worse mother fucker that the one who dont want to see the truth....

god you MUST be retarded... you would deny even dudey's confession.. you would say he was forced to do it!!!... admitt it you bunch of idiots.
Im back, in pog form!
FrEaK[S.sIR]
Profile Joined October 2002
2373 Posts
May 09 2003 12:15 GMT
#264
Keanu, you forget, only pros are allowed to have fast hands, its illegal for us to T_T
ZyPhReX
Profile Joined January 2003
1192 Posts
May 09 2003 13:04 GMT
#265
Ghost Me
Resonate
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8402 Posts
May 09 2003 14:25 GMT
#266
I'm 75-85 and my opponents are mostly 100-150 and i don't have many reps saved where i lost....

the results seems to mean nothing in that respect =/

good other stats from that program tho =]
Memory lane in nice
PaleMan
Profile Joined October 2002
Russian Federation1953 Posts
May 09 2003 14:59 GMT
#267
MPMX or whatever your nick is.

Look 1st person VODs again: all pros making a lot of trash clicks even in mid/late game. Just pressing 100 times "T" when in factory to order tanks, always checking theirs assigned groups etc.

APM = nothing

Get over it.

thx
Pure fan
iloveoo
Profile Joined April 2003
634 Posts
May 09 2003 15:01 GMT
#268
On May 09 2003 21:15 Element)FrEaK wrote:
Keanu, you forget, only pros are allowed to have fast hands, its illegal for us to T_T


just prove it with a rep , hopefully that will make everyone to stfu :/
Unaborted babies shoot up their school, molest children, and make shitty music.
FrEaK[S.sIR]
Profile Joined October 2002
2373 Posts
May 09 2003 16:08 GMT
#269
but then a pro obviously played for me right?

actually, i'll be honest, I got ilnp to play for me.
ZyPhReX
Profile Joined January 2003
1192 Posts
May 09 2003 16:48 GMT
#270
On May 09 2003 23:59 PaleMan wrote:

APM = nothing

Get over it.

thx


Tell that to Nada and Chojja
Ghost Me
MPXMX
Profile Joined December 2002
Canada4309 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-05-09 17:14:07
May 09 2003 17:12 GMT
#271
PaleMan, please take your negativity elsewhere.

Anyway, I don't see them checking on assigned groups much except to watch/move their units, which is good to do, and to produce/check on production in their factories,raxes,gateways etc.. There is a reason for goood players, most of the time, having higher APM than shitty ones. You must think I'm saying speed is the only thing that determines how good a player is. Obviously it's not, but it's important. If you deny that, you're a dumbass.


thx

DV8
Profile Joined December 2002
United States1623 Posts
May 09 2003 17:27 GMT
#272
Personally I think APM is like the size of your Dick. Now lets say people discovered the ruler (superview/bwchart) Sure some of us are gifted :D and some are unfortunate, but boasting of your endowments means nothing if you ain't got the right motion in the ocean. APM only shows how fast someone is, now can they use their speed to benefit their gameplay is what I wanna know.
Nevera
Profile Joined May 2003
Finland677 Posts
May 09 2003 17:32 GMT
#273
On May 10 2003 01:08 Element)FrEaK wrote:
but then a pro obviously played for me right?

actually, i'll be honest, I got ilnp to play for me.


Don't get mad, but you have to realise if you get almost 300, you are doing pretty fucking good, I mean compare to all the non koreans mentioned here, nobody mentioned gets as high as you do.Except for dudey heheh. So rep would be nice, thank you.
Moo i say
FrEaK[S.sIR]
Profile Joined October 2002
2373 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-05-09 18:22:18
May 09 2003 18:21 GMT
#274
speed doesnt = skill

speed = speed
jca
Profile Joined April 2003
France273 Posts
May 10 2003 00:55 GMT
#275
On May 10 2003 02:27 DV8 wrote:
APM only shows how fast someone is, now can they use their speed to benefit their gameplay is what I wanna know.


Guys, what about making this thread something interesting and constructive for a change?
What DV8 is saying here is exactly what BWchart what designed for in the first place: try to figure out interesting facts about the game from the data. Speed is only a part of it.
I'm not a good enough BW player to figure out the rest myself, so instead of flaming around about APM like deranged firebats, could you start thinking about ways to better interpret the data ?

For example: can we figure out the player's strat from the data? Can we define "openings" like in chess (=build order?), and see them the data? Can we see the "rush time/mid game/late game" sequence? etc

Thanks in advance
http://www.bwchart.com
Nevera
Profile Joined May 2003
Finland677 Posts
May 10 2003 07:18 GMT
#276
The replay, plz freak.

Jca, no we can't.
Moo i say
Wiget
Profile Joined December 2002
Poland139 Posts
May 11 2003 05:23 GMT
#277
nG.Wiget 180 ^_^
nEph^Destroyer
Profile Joined April 2003
Czech Republic105 Posts
May 11 2003 05:57 GMT
#278
Wiget u slow Y_Y
destro ownz ^.~
aquanda
Profile Joined January 2003
United States477 Posts
May 11 2003 09:29 GMT
#279
In all of my replays, my APM will peak at about 240. Yet my average is about 120.

Most of the time this is because I do _NO_ useless clicks, and I use shift click a lot for scouting and complex unit maneuvers.

I figure as long as I _CAN_ go fast when it's needed, there is no problem with my speed. I think many other people are in the same boat.

Personally, I'd rather be thinking harder on strategies and planning things than clicking my Command Center 20 times to make the same SCV.

John
PaleMan
Profile Joined October 2002
Russian Federation1953 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-05-11 09:43:44
May 11 2003 09:42 GMT
#280
On May 10 2003 02:12 MPXMX wrote:
PaleMan, please take your negativity elsewhere.
.....
If you deny that, you're a dumbass.



GG?
Pure fan
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