EPTI understand where you are coming from with the rest of your post but people are starving for Brood War, we'll take it anyway we can get it.
SOSPA - the Korean Afreeca Broodwar Scene - Page 7
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MicrowaveMess
United States42 Posts
I understand where you are coming from with the rest of your post but people are starving for Brood War, we'll take it anyway we can get it. | ||
ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On September 11 2012 14:01 Hyeon wrote: 1. I agree with what you said "Sonic did best" and they are doing great(compared to foreign players), but not with "many of these B levels prob beat KeSPA players". Oh yeah, they probably win 1 out of 10. Have you thought why those players retired? Because they were not good in their internal team league. Even if KeSPA players practice sc2 now, it would be hard for B levels to beat them. Pros have their own secret skills, develop their own b.o, which B levels can't do. That's the difference, no point to discuss this. 2. I didn't say i don't watch foreign tournaments, if i hate foreign scene, why did i organize showmatches(korean vs sziky) or managing Gambit Team or organize ICCUP CL? Don't get me wrong. I love foreign scene more than Korean scene. 3. For sponsors, yes. Mission success. But i think it's waste of money for sponsors(yeah, i'm very pessimistic with this). Even KeSPA couldn't keep their players from manipulated games. Can Sonic do it? Haha.. you would say "No, they know what would happen if they do the same thing what Savior does.." But guess what? Some may know this, but those Afreeca BJs are money whore(even Sonic is afaik), they would do every thing if they can earn money. (Have you heard rumors about Pusan and Savior?) Also, if this can be THE best league, why don't major companys sponsor this? I would like to point to Hiya, a former A-teamer, who is not destroying the Afreeca scene .. in fact he's not even doing that great. Killer was also not doing very well when he first started playing in Fish, because he wasn't practicing as much as he was now. Reduced practice time takes its toll .. KeSPA A-teamers are not what they once were. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Afreeca BJs will win 100% of the time. But I wouldn't expect the average KeSPA A-teamer to have a winning record against the BJs who play regularly. I don't get your hate for Sonic .. what's there to hate about him? Is it because of his past reputation of 100% gag strat streamer? Or him being a "money-whore"? Ah yea, about that .. yea Sonic does a lot things for balloons and stickers, and he rakes in a loooooot of it. But he doesn't keep all that money to himself .. do you realize how much money he has given away, for his own leagues, other leagues (sudden-attack for example) show-matches, events, etc? Or all the buying of quickviews to give away to his viewers? The guy is practically a fuckin charity for christ's sake. AFAIK, KeSPA progamers are money-whores too. Stayed on their teams and learned a new game to keep their salaries. Newsflash: everyone does whatever they can to earn money, Afreeca BJs just have to be more entertaining in order to get money from their viewers. Whether or not they'll matchfix, I don't know. But I personally don't think they will. As they say, innocent until proven guilty. Oh and that rumor? Pusan, on a massive losing streak against Savior, plays against Savior because the viewers said they'd give him balloons if he won. Pusan manages to win, despite the lopsided record between the two, so everyone calls matchfixing? That's a fucking stupid basis of a rumor, and is only flying around because of Savior's past history. Some sponsors are better than none. The SOSPA scene is still relatively young. Give it some time to grow jeez. | ||
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Hyeon
Korea (South)462 Posts
On September 11 2012 14:29 MicrowaveMess wrote: Hyeon I comeplety disagree with the first part of your post. Can you explain to me why every Brood War game I've seen this PL is a 1 or 2 base all in? There's no way these current Sc2 pros(that's what they are now) are tier above Killer and Hiya. Killer is currently sitting on top of the Fish ladder with 1922 points. I understand where you are coming from with the rest of your post but people are starving for Brood War, we'll take it anyway we can get it. Let me ask you this then. Has KeSPA players played on Fish server? If not, Killer hit 1922 points because he played vs b levels. Also, i wasn't mean SC2 gamers(who were actually not good at BW) but KeSPA players. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On September 11 2012 15:47 Hyeon wrote: Let me ask you this then. Has KeSPA players played on Fish server? If not, Killer hit 1922 points because he played vs b levels. Also, i wasn't mean SC2 gamers(who were actually not good at BW) but KeSPA players. I see your point though, like when Bisu thrashed Larva like 7 times in a row a while ago. | ||
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Hyeon
Korea (South)462 Posts
On September 11 2012 15:04 ArvickHero wrote: I would like to point to Hiya, a former A-teamer, who is not destroying the Afreeca scene .. in fact he's not even doing that great. Killer was also not doing very well when he first started playing in Fish, because he wasn't practicing as much as he was now. Reduced practice time takes its toll .. KeSPA A-teamers are not what they once were. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Afreeca BJs will win 100% of the time. But I wouldn't expect the average KeSPA A-teamer to have a winning record against the BJs who play regularly. I don't get your hate for Sonic .. what's there to hate about him? Is it because of his past reputation of 100% gag strat streamer? Or him being a "money-whore"? Ah yea, about that .. yea Sonic does a lot things for balloons and stickers, and he rakes in a loooooot of it. But he doesn't keep all that money to himself .. do you realize how much money he has given away, for his own leagues, other leagues (sudden-attack for example) show-matches, events, etc? Or all the buying of quickviews to give away to his viewers? The guy is practically a fuckin charity for christ's sake. AFAIK, KeSPA progamers are money-whores too. Stayed on their teams and learned a new game to keep their salaries. Newsflash: everyone does whatever they can to earn money, Afreeca BJs just have to be more entertaining in order to get money from their viewers. Whether or not they'll matchfix, I don't know. But I personally don't think they will. As they say, innocent until proven guilty. Oh and that rumor? Pusan, on a massive losing streak against Savior, plays against Savior because the viewers said they'd give him balloons if he won. Pusan manages to win, despite the lopsided record between the two, so everyone calls matchfixing? That's a fucking stupid basis of a rumor, and is only flying around because of Savior's past history. Some sponsors are better than none. The SOSPA scene is still relatively young. Give it some time to grow jeez. What you are saying is totally different from what i think. It's just waste of time we fight with "who will win or not". Let me tell you this. You're asking why you should hate(or i do hate)? No, i don't hate Sonic. Actually i was a fan of him when he first came out with funny b.os, i still kinda like him. And yea, i know how much money he threw in game leagues, who don't among his fans? But what i hate is that what he does NOW. As i said, all those participants are B teamers(yes, you are saying they are good) for me, not interested in Korean B gamers' playing. KeSPA gamers, money whore? LOL At least they don't say "click recommend box plz" or "balloon plz". Pusan was actually my fav toss player(that's why i invited him to defi's showmatch), but disappointed since then. KeSPA players maybe do the same thing when they show up Afreeca, but not now. Also, if you say they(SOSPA/KeSPA gamers) are money whore, it's okay to manipulate games? With rumor, yeah you know perfectly. Fucking stupid basis of rumor? LOL Who knows? Even if there's little money(like $200) related in Korean Clan League(Bbulsori, actually smurf game was played on BnW League), there was an issue. What if huge money related? Who knows? P.S What you have "personally thought", i also do have. I shouldn't say what i thought because i ruin your OP? You don't have to dispute with me, just ignore this if you like. | ||
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kjwcj
Australia1064 Posts
On September 11 2012 15:54 BLinD-RawR wrote: I see your point though, like when Bisu thrashed Larva like 7 times in a row a while ago. Except there's at least half a dozen of the guys who are part of this SOSPA scene that would thrash Larva in exactly the same way. To be honest, I doubt Mong would even lose one map to Larva if he was trying. | ||
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AssyrianKing
Australia2111 Posts
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On September 11 2012 16:23 Hyeon wrote: What you are saying is totally different from what i think. It's just waste of time we fight with "who will win or not". Let me tell you this. You're asking why you should hate(or i do hate)? No, i don't hate Sonic. Actually i was a fan of him when he first came out with funny b.os, i still kinda like him. And yea, i know how much money he threw in game leagues, who don't among his fans? But what i hate is that what he does NOW. As i said, all those participants are B teamers(yes, you are saying they are good) for me, not interested in Korean B gamers' playing. KeSPA gamers, money whore? LOL At least they don't say "click recommend box plz" or "balloon plz". Pusan was actually my fav toss player(that's why i invited him to defi's showmatch), but disappointed since then. KeSPA players maybe do the same thing when they show up Afreeca, but not now. Also, if you say they(SOSPA/KeSPA gamers) are money whore, it's okay to manipulate games? With rumor, yeah you know perfectly. Fucking stupid basis of rumor? LOL Who knows? Even if there's little money(like $200) related in Korean Clan League(Bbulsori, actually smurf game was played on BnW League), there was an issue. What if huge money related? Who knows? P.S What you have "personally thought", i also do have. I shouldn't say what i thought because i ruin your OP? You don't have to dispute with me, just ignore this if you like. So you hate that Sonic is keeping the BW scene alive, simply because these are just "b gamers"? Some BW lover you are. "Also, if you say they(SOSPA/KeSPA gamers) are money whore, it's okay to manipulate games? " Don't say fucking ridiculous things, it's just like me saying "oh, so should we all just give away our money and keep none to ourselves because money-whoring is bad?" Honestly, what is wrong with asking for balloons and recommend? It's how the Afreeca system is set up, what else do you expect? Do you detest waiters that expect a tip, or when there's a donation box at a website you visit? Or when a street performer does something awesome and then asks for donations .. is that so wrong? Also, if you're so concerned about any sort of issue/scandal/matchfix because there's money involved, then why don't you be concerned about the Foreigner scene you so love? Foreigner scene tournaments have had their share of problems because of money, but do we burn it down because of it? No, we keep supporting it because we have a love for BW I have an obligation to defend this thread, so don't come in here spreading trash and expect to get off free. In other news, an updated calender to account for the 추석 holidays: ![[image loading]](http://stproxy.afreeca.com/DATA/NORMAL_BBS/4/55614/%BD%BD%B6%F3%C0%CC%B5%E56_1.JPG) and here contains a map layout of Sonic's office/studio, along w/ images of the audience area and player waiting room. It's a little weird that there's three different rooms for audience, and that the players and commentator are in separate room .. but we'll see how it pans out ^^ | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
Jeeeeesus! This must be some type of delusional dream that I'm resting upon. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On September 11 2012 15:04 ArvickHero wrote: I would like to point to Hiya, a former A-teamer, who is not destroying the Afreeca scene .. in fact he's not even doing that great. Killer was also not doing very well when he first started playing in Fish, because he wasn't practicing as much as he was now. Reduced practice time takes its toll .. KeSPA A-teamers are not what they once were. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Afreeca BJs will win 100% of the time. But I wouldn't expect the average KeSPA A-teamer to have a winning record against the BJs who play regularly. I don't get your hate for Sonic .. what's there to hate about him? Is it because of his past reputation of 100% gag strat streamer? Or him being a "money-whore"? Ah yea, about that .. yea Sonic does a lot things for balloons and stickers, and he rakes in a loooooot of it. But he doesn't keep all that money to himself .. do you realize how much money he has given away, for his own leagues, other leagues (sudden-attack for example) show-matches, events, etc? Or all the buying of quickviews to give away to his viewers? The guy is practically a fuckin charity for christ's sake. AFAIK, KeSPA progamers are money-whores too. Stayed on their teams and learned a new game to keep their salaries. Newsflash: everyone does whatever they can to earn money, Afreeca BJs just have to be more entertaining in order to get money from their viewers. Whether or not they'll matchfix, I don't know. But I personally don't think they will. As they say, innocent until proven guilty. Oh and that rumor? Pusan, on a massive losing streak against Savior, plays against Savior because the viewers said they'd give him balloons if he won. Pusan manages to win, despite the lopsided record between the two, so everyone calls matchfixing? That's a fucking stupid basis of a rumor, and is only flying around because of Savior's past history. Some sponsors are better than none. The SOSPA scene is still relatively young. Give it some time to grow jeez. Yeah it's folly. The games from the KeSPA players keep dropping and dropping as they make the transition and its been going on for some time. -_- On September 12 2012 09:44 Xiphos wrote: Oh you gotta to be kidding me. This will be played LIVE? With an audience?!?! Jeeeeesus! This must be some type of delusional dream that I'm resting upon. It was bound to happen man. Koreans want more Brood War. | ||
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On September 12 2012 09:44 Xiphos wrote: Oh you gotta to be kidding me. This will be played LIVE? With an audience?!?! Jeeeeesus! This must be some type of delusional dream that I'm resting upon. Starting from the Ro16 to be specific. And the set-up seems a little strange because of Sonic's limitations (using his office space for the studio). I wouldn't say expect something on the scale of OSL/MSL or even GSL, but it's a start  | ||
2Pacalypse-
Croatia9504 Posts
On September 12 2012 09:54 ArvickHero wrote: Starting from the Ro16 to be specific. And the set-up seems a little strange because of Sonic's limitations (using his office space for the studio). I wouldn't say expect something on the scale of OSL/MSL or even GSL, but it's a start You're damn right it's a start. This is how BW first started: "There were no game channels at first. We just took a ping-pong table that was rolling around somewhere inside the tooniverse company building and put a black cloth over it to use for stage setup and had a very small prize pool. It was just for fun, a small, weird event" From: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=261268 This is a new beginning! | ||
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Harem
United States11390 Posts
On September 11 2012 15:47 Hyeon wrote: Let me ask you this then. Has KeSPA players played on Fish server? If not, Killer hit 1922 points because he played vs b levels. Also, i wasn't mean SC2 gamers(who were actually not good at BW) but KeSPA players. Amount of Kespa players that use Fish ladder is a lot higher than most think but it's hard to know just how widespread it is unless you're zimp. I'll let him elaborate on this point if he sees this thread and wants to. Example being that Eonzerg played Juni in his most recent rep pack released. Another point people aren't considering is that kespa players stopped practicing FS while people on fish have continued to play there. If there is a place where Fish can equal or better the Kespa players then it's definitely on FS. For example, when Bisu played Larva, he wasn't even using the optimal imba wall at top right. FS has changed a lot from when the Kespa players actively played it. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
Fangirls will follow. BW shall be reborn. A new beginning. I think Kim Carrier should make a caster appearance on this league. | ||
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rebdomine
6040 Posts
On September 12 2012 09:44 Xiphos wrote: Oh you gotta to be kidding me. This will be played LIVE? With an audience?!?! Jeeeeesus! This must be some type of delusional dream that I'm resting upon. This is like the beginning of pro BW all over again. lol. Damn, I really hope this becomes more accessible viewing. | ||
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tryummm
774 Posts
On September 11 2012 15:54 BLinD-RawR wrote: I see your point though, like when Bisu thrashed Larva like 7 times in a row a while ago. Where can I watch this? | ||
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MicrowaveMess
United States42 Posts
On September 11 2012 15:47 Hyeon wrote: Let me ask you this then. Has KeSPA players played on Fish server? If not, Killer hit 1922 points because he played vs b levels. Also, i wasn't mean SC2 gamers(who were actually not good at BW) but KeSPA players. All Kespa players are Sc2 gamers now, that's my point. I don't know how much they play on Fish but I don't see how that is relevant concerning the horrible quality of the BW games. | ||
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MicrowaveMess
United States42 Posts
On September 11 2012 15:54 BLinD-RawR wrote: I see your point though, like when Bisu thrashed Larva like 7 times in a row a while ago. I don't think that is a fair comparison consider Bisu is bombing at Sc2 and BW is his strength. | ||
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Anomarad
Canada565 Posts
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danbel1005
United States1319 Posts
On September 09 2012 21:08 thezanursic wrote: When I was reading the list I was like Savior c'mon. I wonder if they would even let him in? Is there a chance this could grow into something very succesful? Where da fuk is my Savior T_T ? | ||
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