<SlayerS_`BoxeR` is at the top with continuous 17 months, [ReD]NaDa with continuous 16 months>
The KeSPA ranking that started on November 2001 will end with the month of January, 2006. Starting February, there will be a new system with a different ranking that will not only incorporate the individual games, but the group games as well.
Though there was a problem in the past in the ranking, KeSPA had only actively collected data from watching the individual leagues. Because it had only calculated the individual leagues, it was possible to see which players were at the top, and which players had fallen.
One can especially see how much the first place KeSPA ranking means to the players by looking at those that had swept the first place consecutively. There have only been four players so far that had risen to first place, and at the time they were the top, showing the greatest force.
<The Most #1 KeSPA ranking is SlayerS_`BoxeR`>
The most consecutive first place KeSPA ranking was found to be SlayerS_`BoxeR`. Boxer had held first place in the KeSPA ranking for a consecutive 17 months, from November 2001 to March 2003. At the time, Boxer had received his second Starleague title, one second-place Starleague, two WCG titles, and was showing superb plays, and rose to the greatest rank as a star.
The one that pushed out the 17-month first place Boxer was the Pantech&Curitel [ReD]NaDa. Winning the January 2003, 2nd KPGA Tour 2002, and the February Panasonic Starleague, he changed the “Empire of Boxer.” At the time, it was also partly due to the change in the KeSPA ranking computations, limiting to just the recent one year.
Afterwards, Nada won the GameTV Starleague, and achieved the “Grand Slam.” Though Nada maintained first place for 16 months, he was short by one month from Boxer’s record.
<Generation Shift in KeSPA ranking>
The one that blocked Nada’s solo performance was iloveoov.
Oov won the November 2003 MSL, April 2004 Hanafos-Cengame MSL, and the August SPRIS MSL, rising to first place on the KeSPA ranking. Collecting the points by rising to third place for the Gillette Starleague, Oov pushed Nada out. In particular, eliminating Nada from the Hanafos-Cengame MSL greatly helped him.
Oov’s solo performance continued for 8 months. After winning the November 2004 EVER Starleague, he continued to hold first place until March 2005.
The one to block Oov was the “God of Fighters” JulyZerg. Winning second on the March 2005 IOPS Starleague, he rose to first on the KeSPA ranking on April 2005. He had previously won the Gillette Starleague and the KT-KTF Premier League, and he continued to win the EVER2005 Starleague, holding first place until January, a total of ten months.
TheMarine, [NC]..Yellow, and Xellos[yG]. By a small margin, they were not able to rise to first place on the KeSPA ranking. TheMarine held second place on November 2001, but was unable to gain points thereafter and dropped gradually. Yellow’s bitter defeats in his finals were one of the key factors in his inability to rise to first place. Xellos[yG] rose four places to the second place after winning the WCG 2004 at San Francisco, but he was unable to rise to first due to his lack of winning the national leagues.
This is very very good news. I hope the new system is more innovative and reactionary than the 12 month kespa. It should be based on the results from the past 4 months imo, especially if they are taking proleague games into account.
maybe the P stands for something else like Professional
thanks for the translation, this is interesting, i never really thought there was much wrong with kespa as long as you understood how their ranking worked, but adding in proleague games can only make it better maybe it will be ELO style or something, but doubt it...
july is still in first place as of january rankings, although i think he'll drop off if he doesn't win anything in the next few months... i wonder who is dominant enough to take his place
also making it the last 4 months would be pretty weak, as that's only like one season of a starleague wtf, you might as well just look at the champions of just the most recent league if you want it like that =\\ which seems to be what most people look at anyhow actually =\\ but a longer period of time means that you have to really be dominant, KeSPa #1 is something that players really treasure... if you're handing it out to a new person every 3 months it won't be as interesting, all you'll really have to do is win your proleague games for that period + capture a league
협회는 최근 관계자 회의 등을 통해 새로운 랭킹 안을 제시하고 현재 확정안 작업을 마무리하고 있다.
기존 KeSPA랭킹은 ▶최근 12개월 ▶성적포인트(우승, 준우승, 4강, 8강 등) ▶상금 포인트만을 합산했지만, 새롭게 도입되는 랭킹 산정 방안에서는 ▶최근 12개월 ▶성적포인트(우승, 준우승, 4강, 8강 등) ▶기간에 따른 랭킹 포인트 차감 적용 ▶단체전 성적의 반영(출전 후 승리한 선수에게 포인트 부여)로 바뀐다.
단체전 성적 반영이 랭킹 산정 방식 변경의 핵심이다. 그동안 단체전에서의 ‘포스’가 극에 달했다고 해도 랭킹에 반영이 안 됐지만 이제부터는 단체전만 잘 해도 KeSPA랭킹에 진입할 수 있게 됐다. 이 때문에 개인리그 뿐 아니라 단체전까지 잘 해야만 랭킹 1위 등극이 가능할 것으로 예상된다.
각 리그 우승시 포인트 획득도 바뀔 예정이다. 스타리그와 MSL에서 우승할 경우 성적 포인트로 500점을 받게 된다. 상금 포인트는 없어진다.
기간에 따른 랭킹 포인트가 차감 적용된다. 최근 성적부터 반영 비율을 점차 감소시켜 현실적인 랭킹을 만들겠다는 것. 최근 3개월 성적은 100퍼센트 적용되지만 ▶4개월 전 90% ▶5개월 전 80% ▶6개월 전 70% 등 최근 성적 위주로 집계되는 방식을 택할 예정.
프로리그 성적은 물론 KeSPA 공인 단체전도 집계된다. 사상 처음으로 KeSPA의 공인을 받은 KTF Bigi 코리아 e스포츠 2005(KeSPA컵)도 성적 합산에 들어가는 것. 앞으로 KeSPA의 공인을 받은 대회는 모두 랭킹에 산정된다고 보면 된다. 대신 WCG는 아예 대상에서 제외되는 것으로 확정됐다.
프로리그에서 승부를 결정짓는 마지막 경기에는 가산점도 부여될 예정이다. 정규리그를 제외한 포스트시즌의 성적도 기존 점수에 50퍼센트의 가산률이 더해져 랭킹에 적용될 계획이다.
Still 12 months. Still points given to the winner of the tournie, 2nd place, 4S.Finalists, 8Q.Finalists, and so on. So basically... everything is same except that now they are counting the team plays (proleauge?).
랭킹이 변경되면 프로리그에서 활약한 선수들이 대폭 상위권으로 뛰어 오른다. 반면 프로리그에 출전하지 않았거나 출전 경기가 적었던 선수는 기존 랭킹에서 대폭 떨어진다.
As the system changes, players who participates in Proleague will increase in their rankings. Oppose to this, players who have participated but few times, and who have not participated at all are bound to fall.
2006년 1월 KeSPA 랭킹을 변경안을 적용시켜 만들어보니 프로리그 활약에 따른 성적 변동이 심했다. GO 변형태는 14계단이나 상승했고, POS 박지호는 10계단, KTF 박정석은 6계단을 상승했다. 반면 GO 이재훈, KTF 이병민, SK텔레콤 박태민 같은 경우 프로리그에서 출전 못 했거나 활약이 적어 10계단에서 18계단 하락하기도 했다.
There were severe changes in the rankings due to the new system in Jan. 2006. Byun Hyun Te, aka. Iris, rose up 14 ranks, Park JiHo, aka. Pusan, 10 ranks, Park Jun Suk, aka. Reach, 6 ranks. However, Lee JeHoon(ForU), Lee ByungMin(GoodFriends), Park TeMin(GoRush) were pushed down 10 to 18 ranks.
On January 26 2006 02:41 Manifesto7 wrote: This is very very good news. I hope the new system is more innovative and reactionary than the 12 month kespa. It should be based on the results from the past 4 months imo, especially if they are taking proleague games into account.
Good point. Players retire and stay in the top 30 for insane amounts of time because of that. It really isn't an indictation of current player acheivements or skill in particular.
협회는 최근 관계자 회의 등을 통해 새로운 랭킹 안을 제시하고 현재 확정안 작업을 마무리하고 있다.
기존 KeSPA랭킹은 ▶최근 12개월 ▶성적포인트(우승, 준우승, 4강, 8강 등) ▶상금 포인트만을 합산했지만, 새롭게 도입되는 랭킹 산정 방안에서는 ▶최근 12개월 ▶성적포인트(우승, 준우승, 4강, 8강 등) ▶기간에 따른 랭킹 포인트 차감 적용 ▶단체전 성적의 반영(출전 후 승리한 선수에게 포인트 부여)로 바뀐다.
단체전 성적 반영이 랭킹 산정 방식 변경의 핵심이다. 그동안 단체전에서의 ‘포스’가 극에 달했다고 해도 랭킹에 반영이 안 됐지만 이제부터는 단체전만 잘 해도 KeSPA랭킹에 진입할 수 있게 됐다. 이 때문에 개인리그 뿐 아니라 단체전까지 잘 해야만 랭킹 1위 등극이 가능할 것으로 예상된다.
각 리그 우승시 포인트 획득도 바뀔 예정이다. 스타리그와 MSL에서 우승할 경우 성적 포인트로 500점을 받게 된다. 상금 포인트는 없어진다.
기간에 따른 랭킹 포인트가 차감 적용된다. 최근 성적부터 반영 비율을 점차 감소시켜 현실적인 랭킹을 만들겠다는 것. 최근 3개월 성적은 100퍼센트 적용되지만 ▶4개월 전 90% ▶5개월 전 80% ▶6개월 전 70% 등 최근 성적 위주로 집계되는 방식을 택할 예정.
프로리그 성적은 물론 KeSPA 공인 단체전도 집계된다. 사상 처음으로 KeSPA의 공인을 받은 KTF Bigi 코리아 e스포츠 2005(KeSPA컵)도 성적 합산에 들어가는 것. 앞으로 KeSPA의 공인을 받은 대회는 모두 랭킹에 산정된다고 보면 된다. 대신 WCG는 아예 대상에서 제외되는 것으로 확정됐다.
프로리그에서 승부를 결정짓는 마지막 경기에는 가산점도 부여될 예정이다. 정규리그를 제외한 포스트시즌의 성적도 기존 점수에 50퍼센트의 가산률이 더해져 랭킹에 적용될 계획이다.
Still 12 months. Still points given to the winner of the tournie, 2nd place, 4S.Finalists, 8Q.Finalists, and so on. So basically... everything is same except that now they are counting the team plays (proleauge?).
랭킹이 변경되면 프로리그에서 활약한 선수들이 대폭 상위권으로 뛰어 오른다. 반면 프로리그에 출전하지 않았거나 출전 경기가 적었던 선수는 기존 랭킹에서 대폭 떨어진다.
As the system changes, players who participates in Proleague will increase in their rankings. Oppose to this, players who have participated but few times, and who have not participated at all are bound to fall.
2006년 1월 KeSPA 랭킹을 변경안을 적용시켜 만들어보니 프로리그 활약에 따른 성적 변동이 심했다. GO 변형태는 14계단이나 상승했고, POS 박지호는 10계단, KTF 박정석은 6계단을 상승했다. 반면 GO 이재훈, KTF 이병민, SK텔레콤 박태민 같은 경우 프로리그에서 출전 못 했거나 활약이 적어 10계단에서 18계단 하락하기도 했다.
There were severe changes in the rankings due to the new system in Jan. 2006. Byun Hyun Te, aka. Iris, rose up 14 ranks, Park JiHo, aka. Pusan, 10 ranks, Park Jun Suk, aka. Reach, 6 ranks. However, Lee JeHoon(ForU), Lee ByungMin(GoodFriends), Park TeMin(GoRush) were pushed down 10 to 18 ranks.
IMO proleague individual matches can't compare to starleague matches. With Starleague, you lose, you're out. With Proleague, you lose... well u have partners to win it. Also there are times you have no idea who your opponent is. Nor their race!
On January 26 2006 02:41 Manifesto7 wrote: This is very very good news. I hope the new system is more innovative and reactionary than the 12 month kespa. It should be based on the results from the past 4 months imo, especially if they are taking proleague games into account.
4 months is way too short. A starleague lasts around 4 months. It's not indicative enough of player skill levels. Any players can beat each other on any day depending on various luck factors. A measurement over an extended period of time will more appropriately measure level of performance. Perhaps 12 months is too long, but at least 6 months is a must.
The new rating system is unfair in a way that if a player doesn't get chosen to participate in Proleague, his ratings fall. Well, being chosen to participate in proleague is dependant on each team's manager.
Nal_rA for example, mostly doesn't get chosen to play for KTF until the 5th deciding game. Therefore unless any KTF team games go to the 5th deciding game, it'll be recorded as Nal_rA didn't participate, therefore negatively affecting his rankings. This applies to many other players.
Then there are players such as Anytime, who participates a lot in Proleague. But his performance in Proleague is not good. However since he participates a lot, he gets a huge boost in points.
Nal_rA's performance in proleague is miles ahead of Anytime, but since rA mostly only plays in 5th games, he missed out on many series. In the end, both attained about the same number of points for their proleague performance, which is totally unfair.
I'm just using this specific case as an example. There are so many other players that this will apply to. I think this new rating system has a lot of rooms for improvement.
On January 26 2006 10:44 tfeign wrote: The new rating system is unfair in a way that if a player doesn't get chosen to participate in Proleague, his ratings fall. Well, being chosen to participate in proleague is dependant on each team's manager.
Nal_rA for example, mostly doesn't get chosen to play for KTF until the 5th deciding game. Therefore unless any KTF team games go to the 5th deciding game, it'll be recorded as Nal_rA didn't participate, therefore negatively affecting his rankings. This applies to many other players.
Then there are players such as Anytime, who participates a lot in Proleague. But his performance in Proleague is not good. However since he participates a lot, he gets a huge boost in points.
Nal_rA's performance in proleague is miles ahead of Anytime, but since rA mostly only plays in 5th games, he missed out on many series. In the end, both attained about the same number of points for their proleague performance, which is totally unfair.
I'm just using this specific case as an example. There are so many other players that this will apply to. I think this new rating system has a lot of rooms for improvement.
I guess the logic behind it is that the 5th match players are the team aces, and thus its expected they do exceptionally well in the single leagues as well.
July has got it easy, being team ace as well as a 2v2 player, as well as an incredible single-league zerg
ok... i know u guys arse saying the previous kespa rankings were not indicative of player skills (or perhaps didnt reflect the most current standings)... but like pete sampras, monika seles (however u spell her name), using tennis as an example, kept their world no.1 rankings for AGES after they stopped playing. I mean... if someone shows skill, it doesn't matter if they retire, their name should still be on the board to remember their greatness. Besides, most of these "rookie hot shots" will play a bunch of games, win some tournaments, their luck will run out (or the same strategies they use over and over again will get old) and then it'll be up to people like yellow, chojja, boxer etc. to re-invent starcraft play so MORE (new) rookies can copy them and come in and own..... is it just me who feels this way or what? I really really don't like these newcomers to the ranks like anytime etc. I'd much rather have Ra, Reach, JulyZerg, GoRush (especially), Boxer, Yellow (especially) up there. They have battled FOR YEARS to not just keep starcraft alive but to keep inventing new gameplay.
They should use some kind of elo system. Dont know how to deal with inactivity for such a ranking but id say that it's kinda clear when a pro goes inactive and then you can just pull him from the list. Dont know how they deal with that on the current list. Also ELO is the coolest form of rating peoples skills in competetive games.
On January 26 2006 14:37 MaZza[KIS] wrote: really really don't like these newcomers to the ranks like anytime etc. I'd much rather have Ra, Reach, JulyZerg, GoRush (especially), Boxer, Yellow (especially) up there. They have battled FOR YEARS to not just keep starcraft alive but to keep inventing new gameplay.
But now they aren't doing so good. Should Yellow still be ranked high even though he isn't good enough to qualify for OSL and MSL? Their new gameplay isn't working and thus they're losing. Strategies change constantly and they should adapt.
The 1 year Kespa ranking is fine. It shouldn't include their lifetime win-lost.
On January 26 2006 14:37 MaZza[KIS] wrote: ok... i know u guys arse saying the previous kespa rankings were not indicative of player skills (or perhaps didnt reflect the most current standings)... but like pete sampras, monika seles (however u spell her name), using tennis as an example, kept their world no.1 rankings for AGES after they stopped playing. I mean... if someone shows skill, it doesn't matter if they retire, their name should still be on the board to remember their greatness. Besides, most of these "rookie hot shots" will play a bunch of games, win some tournaments, their luck will run out (or the same strategies they use over and over again will get old) and then it'll be up to people like yellow, chojja, boxer etc. to re-invent starcraft play so MORE (new) rookies can copy them and come in and own..... is it just me who feels this way or what? I really really don't like these newcomers to the ranks like anytime etc. I'd much rather have Ra, Reach, JulyZerg, GoRush (especially), Boxer, Yellow (especially) up there. They have battled FOR YEARS to not just keep starcraft alive but to keep inventing new gameplay.
im sorry but ill have to disagree- the newcomer "Anytime[gm]" showed the world protoss art like we have not seen since garmito, his strategy was impeccable and won a starleague. Didnt Julyzerg pulled the same feat anytime did just one and a half years ago (royal road) so i dont see why you mentioning him helps. Wasnt it midas who popularised the now "standard" fd build? he is also another newcomer Wasnt Boxer's "8rax" originally silent_controls? Most of the so called "new comers" have also been around for a long time its jsut they have never shone untill now. And they are inventing new strategies and implementing them well aswell, for example pusan vs ioi[alive] a few weeks ago, and his insanely fast carriers on RoV. These players DESERVE to be up there in the rankings and i am more than pleased to have this new system come in (especially for players like ra and reach). These newcomers are here to stay and im sure they will bring us many good games with time
18 SPOTS omfg..and reach up like..30298374927348 spots..bullshit.
well, this is just stupid... Ask TheMarine a few years ago. i even wonder why he's still on the list right now when he doesn't even come close to taking any titles, unlike Reach who at least helped the team greatly in the Proleague for the first few matches
and that's because Reach is more active than GoRush in the Proleague. if you look at gorush right now, you can't say he really should be on 2nd either. just look at iloveoov, he's a good player in team plays, usually the ace player, and he's a good OSL contender for this season as well. gorush' situation is just like nada's and xellos'. he will lose those points if he doesn't get good placings in leagues
on topic, I kinda don't like the new system. So that would mean it doesn't matter if you won or lost, you still get points no matter what, and they're bigger than simply qualifying for MSLs/OSLs
Chojja 3-1 IPXZerg...If that isn't something..then somebody shot me T_T~
chojja focused on getting his MSL title than winning proleagues
IMO, the wise thing here is to decrease the duration which the points accumulate...something like 6 months as someone mentioned... it just feels like making your team sky-rocket in the proleague is everything right now. one day we may see the kespa have top 1-3 all SKT1s or something close...
I think : if the rankings not are like ELO System then maintain the same but decrease after one month 8.33% of the amount of points granted by a performance. For example: i win november starleague. This gave me 200 points now...but the next month is the result more older and because that less important and drop to 183.33..as result when ten months pass away this starleague win only value 33.33 points cause the long time that have past after the accomplisment...and when pass away one year is value = zero points...With this improvement then the rankings will be more accurated and a player gradually decrease if he lives only by pass events points instantly and not after twelve months when drastically lose all his points...
Yes Golas removing all the points after 12 months is stupid. If you have won an OSL it cannot be worth 300 points after 11 months and worth 0 point after 12. Anyhow, as everyone pointed ELO system would be cool. Though, ELO doesn't deal with importance of the events. That is, winning someone in the OSL finals maybe should give you more points than winning the same person in the ODL R1. Or maybe I am wrong. Anyhow, the new system seems a lot better. Anyhow I will never understand Reach's 2nd place, really.
Golas I like your idea of having the deterioration of points as the results get older. That is a good alternative to just dropping the points off at a given time. That way the 12 month span is not so imbalanced, and people who one a starleague then dont stay at the top only to fall off the map after that win is dropped. Good idea.
On January 26 2006 18:28 Golas wrote: I think : if the rankings not are like ELO System then maintain the same but decrease after one month 8.33% of the amount of points granted by a performance. For example: i win november starleague. This gave me 200 points now...but the next month is the result more older and because that less important and drop to 183.33..as result when ten months pass away this starleague win only value 33.33 points cause the long time that have past after the accomplisment...and when pass away one year is value = zero points...With this improvement then the rankings will be more accurated and a player gradually decrease if he lives only by pass events points instantly and not after twelve months when drastically lose all his points...
Thanks...
that's actually not a bad idea, depreciating the points on a straight line basis instead of cutting them completely out at exactly one year.
It could be tuned further. The points could be decreased in a non-constant. Say, the OSL win is worth 200 points. Then you subtract the points in progression(arithmetic), so that the first months less points are subtracted, and the last months more points are subtracted.
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