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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
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Dante08
Singapore4182 Posts
On February 20 2017 07:51 Jae Zedong wrote: The idea that SC2 could ever "become the next BW" is so absurd. They are completely different games. Why do people keep saying they are completely different games. I mean they are different but not "completely different". Warcraft and Starcraft would be "completely different" but not BW and SC2. Anyway awesome bump, long live BW! | ||
c3rberUs
Japan11776 Posts
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ItsFunToLose
United States776 Posts
On February 20 2017 14:20 Shana wrote: I just got mini heart attack. My mind was racing, what happened, is it Afreeca pulling the plug, another match fixing, Blizzard nuking BW.... Thankfully it's just a necro. god this. can necros be auto-tagged as such somehow? after no posts for 6 months, the topic automatically gets braces put around the [title] or something to indicate that the thread link you're clicking is going to kick you in the nuts Why do people keep saying they are completely different games. I mean they are different but not "completely different". Warcraft and Starcraft would be "completely different" but not BW and SC2. I'd argue that warcraft 3 and broodwar have more in common in spirit, and especially from a personnel standpoint(polish, charm, talent, etc. That BW and SC2 both have drones/probes/scvs does not automatically make them similar games). When's the last sc2 game you watched where both armies clash, and 5 production cycles of reinforcements later, a winner is finally determined. fucking never. It's not uncommon for Broodwar or Warcraft 3 battles to last for several extended minutes where the winner of an engagement isn't clear until the dust settles. Blizzard today shares very few names and faces with the Blizzard that made broodwar. They're arguably completely separate companies. Sc2 has no soul, and it's painfully obvious to anyone over 30 that those responsible for our greatest childhood hits have moved on. | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
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Jae Zedong
407 Posts
On February 20 2017 22:41 ItsFunToLose wrote:That BW and SC2 both have drones/probes/scvs does not automatically make them similar games). When's the last sc2 game you watched where both armies clash, and 5 production cycles of reinforcements later, a winner is finally determined. fucking never. It's not uncommon for Broodwar or Warcraft 3 battles to last for several extended minutes where the winner of an engagement isn't clear until the dust settles. Blizzard today shares very few names and faces with the Blizzard that made broodwar. They're arguably completely separate companies. Sc2 has no soul, and it's painfully obvious to anyone over 30 that those responsible for our greatest childhood hits have moved on. Exactly. Saying SC2 is comparable to BW is like taking Chess, a refined game of scholars, and add a bunch of random 3D pieces and say its still the same game, only bigger and betterer because you shoved a bunch of crap into it. If you add even 1 pawn to Chess it's a completely different game, not to mention what would happen if you altered all the existing pieces and let the game play out on a hockey rink with completely different mechanics. Starcraft 2 is Starcraft in name only. | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4177 Posts
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Elroi
Sweden5617 Posts
On February 20 2017 03:57 Falling wrote: "Aure entuluva!" (Day will come again!) -Hurin Thalion You nailed it. I remember reading that and crying so much. XD | ||
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[[Starlight]]
United States1578 Posts
On February 20 2017 12:50 Ayaz2810 wrote: Too bad they (iccup? fish? I don't even remember now) made it absurdly hard to download and play. I gave up after an hour of trying to make it work. Still tryin' to figure out what that personal anecdote has to do with BW's resurgence, but, ehh, okay, whatev. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On February 21 2017 00:46 [[Starlight]] wrote: Still tryin' to figure out what that personal anecdote has to do with BW's resurgence, but, ehh, okay, whatev. his point I take it, was that they'll be even more of a resurgence if it was easier to get iccup etc... running from the get go instead of jumping through hoops to play the game. | ||
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[[Starlight]]
United States1578 Posts
On February 21 2017 00:52 BigFan wrote: his point I take it, was that they'll be even more of a resurgence if it was easier to get iccup etc... running from the get go instead of jumping through hoops to play the game. I don't think he thought it through that far.  "Hey, BW didn't die after all!" "Man, I am still horked off at ICCup and Fish, let me tell you why!!!!" Um... okay. | ||
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Terrorbladder
2753 Posts
BW was the perfect metric of skill because of technical limitations in the 90s. Players had to accomplish more in any given amount of time to overcome these limitations, and the best ones were the people that could do the most efficiently. SC2 was created in the late 2000s, when the same limitations had been broken, there was just no point in intentionally bringing them back to the game. So, even though sc2 admittedly required less skill, you can't blame sc2 for being designed the way it was. | ||
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ArmadA[NaS]
United States348 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On February 21 2017 00:53 [[Starlight]] wrote: I don't think he thought it through that far. "Hey, BW didn't die after all!" "Man, I am still horked off at ICCup and Fish, let me tell you why!!!!" Um... okay. benefit of the doubt. | ||
Harem
United States11393 Posts
On February 20 2017 12:50 Ayaz2810 wrote: Too bad they (iccup? fish? I don't even remember now) made it absurdly hard to download and play. I gave up after an hour of trying to make it work. iccup.com | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On February 21 2017 01:09 Terrorbladder wrote: I think sc2's ultimate failure came about when they were attempting to design it in such a way as to appeal to the "mainstream" gamer, when mainstream gamers arent attracted to RTS. That and its slow and shitty roll out of b.net 2.0/ums games etc, it hampered the casual scene as well. If sc2 hadnt gone full newbie, put in larger control groups but not unlimited, etc-- basically just not automating every damn little thing -- it would of worked. sc2 was a great RTS game in its own right but it was doomed by the expectation of being the MULTIPLAYER sequel to bw. BW was the perfect metric of skill because of technical limitations in the 90s. Players had to accomplish more in any given amount of time to overcome these limitations, and the best ones were the people that could do the most efficiently. SC2 was created in the late 2000s, when the same limitations had been broken, there was just no point in intentionally bringing them back to the game. So, even though sc2 admittedly required less skill, you can't blame sc2 for being designed the way it was. | ||
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Jae Zedong
407 Posts
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. They marketed SC2 as a mainstream game, they didn't design it like one. SC2 may be less mechanically demanding than BW, but it's easily the second most demanding game in the world after BW. It's not a casual game, and if you think SC2's failure is because it's too "newbie friendly" you're way off. We as a BW community may think it is, but the wider gaming world sure as hell doesn't. The game has 99 problems but casualness ain't one. | ||
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Hildegard
Germany348 Posts
However I think BW balance is often looked at with rose-tinted glasses. In my opinion SC2 is better balanced than BW. | ||
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
On February 21 2017 07:45 Hildegard wrote: I don't get the need to bash SC2 constantly. Both BW and SC2 have unreachable skill-caps. Considering that it doesn't really matter if one is more demanding than the other. I enjoy and watch both games since years. However I think BW balance is often looked at with rose-tinted glasses. In my opinion SC2 is better balanced than BW. You can have a perfect balance game and making it boring, examples of those incredible stupid things that Blizz added to SC2 are: forcefields, medivac boost speed, warp prism range, and go on and on. Every video game has an unreachable skill cap, so the way to compare them is how demanding in several aspects they are, anyway Good morning BW. | ||
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toriak
Slovakia477 Posts
every race starts with 0 workers and 49 minerals | ||
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