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[Poll] ProGamer of the Year 2005 - Page 2

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OctoPuSs
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Canada5279 Posts
January 08 2006 14:38 GMT
#21
For zergs, I think it's july without any doubts. 1st KT-KTF, 2nd IOPS, 1st EVER 2005. No one matches it.

For Protosses, it's a little closer between Reach and Anytime. Reach was the only toss to qualify for a while, but never did really good to be honest. For the exception of the last MSL in which he got top 2, I don't really see how awesome it is. As for Anytime, his pro-league performance wasn't all that good, but his 1v1 was just awesome. He qualified for So1 through the challenge league, and won it taking down very big names (yellow, oov, boxer). Plus it had been more than a year since the last protoss won a starleague. Not a lot of tosses can 3-1 oov, and then 3-2 BoxeR on terran oriented maps. Not a lot of tosses can outsmart boxer. So I think he should be #1.

As for Terrans, I have a big problem naming one. BoxeR did good with a nice comeback from the ashes. He arrived 2nd in So1, but that's about it. oOv did not do much better either. He came in 3rd place for that same tournament. I think that if we consider those two terrans, we HAVE, even if some hate him, consider GooDFrienD. He finished 4th in IOPS and 2nd in EVER 2005 and is currently 3-0 in his group (i think). Of course NaDa won an OSL, but he then dissapeared. So with all the hate I'll get for this, #1 Terran of the year 2005 is GooDFrienD.

As for the Best player of 2005 (Between July, Anytime, GoodFrienD), it is definatly July because he won 2 major titles and got a top2.

/me prepares for flame.
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proTOSS[GER]
Profile Joined September 2004
858 Posts
January 08 2006 14:41 GMT
#22
Best Terran should be boxer again, he's got his fire back. July should be MVP all over.
That is many tank yes?
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17733 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-01-08 14:58:39
January 08 2006 14:56 GMT
#23
After a delicious ramen plus tuna cheese and egg kim chi ramen i began to think.
Best terran should be Nada. Hes accomplisments are 2nd at you are a golf king and 1st in iops and 3rd place at Ktf finals. No terran comes close to accomplishment than what Nada did in 2005. Boxer only got 2nd at so1 and Iloveoov didnt win anything major. Another terran that deserves mentioning is Goodfriend. He won 2nd at ever 4th in iops and is a very consistent terran.
Fanboyism is the reason why i couldn't realize this before.
Overall 2005 progamer of the year is July no questions asked. All the people getting voted are people who is doing well is hot right now. Their status before was idle. Boxer had only one major accomplisment compared to others like Gorush,July,Nada and others. We should think about overall accomplisments instead of now or recent ones thats why i think Ipxzerg is not in my lists cause even if im his fan what accomplished is just one a msl title.
edit. i think your top three list OctoPuSs is true.
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
January 09 2006 00:56 GMT
#24
NaDa also got 2nd at the Snicker's All Star League. As shocking as it may be, he had the most accomplishments of any Terran in 2005. Though to be honest, I'm not sure he deserves an MVP award because he slumped so horribly after those huge accomplishments. Now he's not even qualifying for either star league.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
rel
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Guam3521 Posts
January 09 2006 01:02 GMT
#25
Zerg: July
Protoss: Anytime
Terran: Boxer
I'll tank push my way into her heart. ☮♥&$!
YoUr_KiLLeR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States3420 Posts
January 09 2006 01:04 GMT
#26
anytime did basically the exact opposite of what nada did. he wasn't around for the beginning of 2005, then burst on the scene at the end of the year and won an OSL.

nada began the year by winning an OSL, had a couple of other good finishes, then disappeared.

i dont see HOW anytime is on everyones list when nada isn't even being taken into consideration. i think this really shows how much of an impact more recent results have on this poll -_-.

2005 was a bad year for terran, but nada's lone win stands out from the rest.
what the fuck do you have to say for yourself now you protoss jackass can you retaliate in any way
Coulthard
Profile Joined September 2005
Greece3359 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-01-09 01:13:00
January 09 2006 01:11 GMT
#27
Protoss: Reach ,Anytime
Terran: Boxer ,Oov
Zerg: Yellow ,July

add a terran poll pls
rel
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Guam3521 Posts
January 09 2006 01:11 GMT
#28
Zerg: July
Protoss: Anytime
Terran: Boxer
I'll tank push my way into her heart. ☮♥&$!
chicken`
Profile Joined January 2004
Germany3478 Posts
January 09 2006 01:21 GMT
#29
ZeuS
all races
jeremy clarkson = god
to miss the mark
Profile Joined November 2005
Bosnia-Herzegovina1381 Posts
January 09 2006 01:24 GMT
#30
Zerg: JulyZerg
Protoss: Reach
Terran: Boxer [not oov, he just sucks lately]
Act happy, feel happy, be happy, without a reason in the world. Then you can love, and do what you will.
FireBlast!
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United Kingdom5251 Posts
January 09 2006 01:45 GMT
#31
Zerg: July hands down, I agree with everything that's been said about his overwhelming achievements. I also agree that Gorush comes in for a close second, despite his absence in the big stages toward the second half of the year he has kept up his form and his style is very innovative. IPX still needs to prove himself in the long run, although he's looking very promising indeed, the most potentially "complete" Zerg yet imo.

Protoss: Despite Reach's consistency, the fiersome rate in which Anytime has climbed up the ranks from a new-face in Proleague for Plus to 4th seeder+first time Starleaguer to Starleague Champion wins it for me, he's definitely been the most memorable player of 2005.

Terran: Strangely enough, Terrans have had a strangely dormant year, with no outstanding players, although I'd personally pick Nada for his achievement early on in the year. Had Xellos made it into a Starleague final and won WCG things mightve been very different.
Victoria Concordia Crescit
Locked
Profile Joined September 2004
United States4182 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-01-09 01:52:35
January 09 2006 01:51 GMT
#32
agree 100% with fireblast!

july / anytime / nada

overall player july


edit:
On January 09 2006 10:21 chicken` wrote:
ZeuS
all races

lol
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Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
January 09 2006 02:14 GMT
#33
lol, my prediction is boxer will own terran poll
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Toolvure
Profile Joined February 2005
Estonia368 Posts
January 09 2006 02:20 GMT
#34
On January 08 2006 22:07 tfeign wrote:
If Reach had a starleague like Anytime did, where he never had to face a zerg in bo series, I have no doubt in my mind he would have won a starleague or two.


Reach did have such a starleague, he didn't face ANY zerg in BO series and lost his first TvP BO to Boxer 2:0.
Musli
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Poland5130 Posts
January 09 2006 02:28 GMT
#35
Boxer ftw !
MVP T 2005 !
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YunhOLee
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Canada2470 Posts
January 09 2006 02:56 GMT
#36
July, but IPX is doing a great damn job !
Live it, love it, play it, kill it. JulyZerg and IPXZerg greatest TL.net fan
Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
January 09 2006 03:14 GMT
#37
Terran Poll added.
SAY YES TO STIM KIDS!!! XD
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
January 09 2006 03:24 GMT
#38
On January 08 2006 22:07 tfeign wrote:
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On January 08 2006 21:38 Live2Win wrote:For Protoss I'd say either Ra, Rainbow, or AnyTime.


How can you even say this without including Reach. Rainbow accompished nothing even close to all the things reach did in 2005.

Agreed 100%.


I can't see how Anytime is getting 70% of the vote. That's just beyond imaginable. Reach has accomplished so many high place finishes in OSL and MSL in 2005. He at one time was the only representative of the protoss race in the league. Anytime won a Starleague, sure, that was great. But that's it.

No, that's not it. In the first starleague he ever qualified for, he won, beating yellow, oov, ggplay (great ZvP), xellos and boxer.. And he did it in style.


Anytime's perfomance in Proleague sucks. Reach on the other hand pretty much carries KTF's 2v2 team. He's one of the major reasons why the KTF team is in line for the upcoming Proleague title. His 1v1 performance is also top notch. Anytime did nothing in MSL, didn't even qualify. Anytime immediately slumped in ShinHan Bank OSL following the starleague win by not getting past his groups.

I dunno if you can really call it slumping, a group consisting of Xellos, Pusan, Casy and Anytime isn't exactly easy .. 1-2 Could just as well have been 2-1 (although losing to casy might not be exactly in character of anytime).

I was also under the impression that Anytime basically carries PLUS in proleague, is this wrong ( don't follow it closely)?

A number of people, including myself, also consider Anytime's starleague win to be somewhat a fluke, as in most of his games he outstrategized his opponents rather than outplaying them.

That's dumb, outstrategizing your opponent is part of outplaying them.

Since when is timing, creativity and strategy not parts of BW? Winning on strategy is just as valid as winning on macro/micro --


Finally, I want to just note that one of the reasons why Reach couldn't win any starleagues in 2005 was because he kept having to face top level zergs in BO series at the end. He annihilated everybody else, and hits a dead wall when he faces up against top level zergs in finals. Anytime NEVER had to face one single zerg in a bo series in his entire path to the starleague title. Even in all the dual league rounds before he qualified for OSL, he never faced any zergs. If Reach had a starleague like Anytime did, where he never had to face a zerg in bo series, I have no doubt in my mind he would have won a starleague or two.

OH, you mean kind of like SO1 where he lost to Goodfriend in groups (twice IIRC) and then 0-2 to boxer?!


Even with all of that in mind, I can still understand some people voting for Anytime as best protoss of 2005. But 70% is just beyond believable. There is a reason why Reach is the highest ranked protoss player in Kespa during the 2005 year, even after Anytime's Starleague win. People seem to forget too quickly about Reach's accomplishments he made the entire year as opposed to Anytime's "one time wonder".

Edit: Here's another case of people forgetting too early: In 2005, Gorush actually accomplished more than IPXZerg. But IPXZerg gets twice as many votes as Gorush just because IPXZerg's accomplishments are the most recent.

Yeah, 70% might be a bit too much!
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Kacas
Profile Joined July 2003
Brazil3143 Posts
January 09 2006 03:48 GMT
#39
for terran why not goodfriend?
he did..second, second third..
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ToT)SiLeNcE(
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Germany590 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-01-09 03:57:25
January 09 2006 03:54 GMT
#40
One thing I don't unterstand though. The entire time people are saying that the kespa ranking doesn't hold a lot of valuable information, because of the 1 year span. NOW, it makes sense for once to quote the kespa ranking, and yet no one argues with it? All the people who said that Reach and July should get the votes, can actually back things up, because they are the highest in kespa...

edit : I just saw that Foru is in front of Reach in Kespa, but that's only because the ranking awards too many points to the winner of WCG.
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