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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
a) Removed players (like Rush and Grape) are retiring because they don't like SC2, and BW is essentially dead b) Removed players are getting a break, being demoted to the B-Team temporarily c) Removed players don't like the hybrid system and would like to focus their full attention on SC2 and leave the KeSPA system, and join perhaps a Korean SC2 which offers much more freedom | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On June 15 2012 09:51 bokchoi wrote: c) Removed players don't like the hybrid system and would like to focus their full attention on SC2 and leave the KeSPA system, and join perhaps a Korean SC2 which offers much more freedom There's no reason to leave a KeSPA team (which pays) for a GOM team (which doesn't), and none of the people who retired are likely to be able to join foreign teams. It's either 1. Removed players don't like SC2, and have decided to step down rather than play it 2. Removed players are not good at SC2, and have been demoted to B-team until they shape up. 3. Removed players are thinking of retiring anyway, and it has nothing to do with SC2 (this is unlikely, but who knows) | ||
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
On June 15 2012 10:18 Ribbon wrote: There's no reason to leave a KeSPA team (which pays) for a GOM team (which doesn't), and none of the people who retired are likely to be able to join foreign teams. It's either 1. Removed players don't like SC2, and have decided to step down rather than play it 2. Removed players are not good at SC2, and have been demoted to B-team until they shape up. 3. Removed players are thinking of retiring anyway, and it has nothing to do with SC2 (this is unlikely, but who knows) Unless you're a Top A-class level player, or S-class level player your salary is pretty low or even non-existant. Also, B-Teamers only get housing and necessities covered (the same you would get on a Korean SC2 team). Remember Action saying he didn't get any salary on eStro? Yeah, eStro was one of the poorer teams, but he was their ACE. Just think about that. The KeSPA life style is a lot harder than the non-KeSPA lifestyle, but the KeSPA pro gamers are offered a bit more security in exchange. Most of the Korean SC2 players say they would never return to the KeSPA lifestyle, but who knows if thats true. Most of them (not counting July, BoxeR, NaDa) were even getting a salary when they played BW so that could be a huge factor. | ||
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StarStruck
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RezChi
Canada2368 Posts
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On June 15 2012 10:30 Gosi wrote: Yeah I hope not all of them are retirements. Maybe some players just can't handle the hybrid league format and stepped down from the PL lineup to cool down a bit and just practice sc2 instead of having the stress to compete and put up results in both BW and sc2. But it feels like this is wishful thinking. Could be that some teams are saying this format is so stupid they're not going to take it seriously anymore, and just focus on being the next season winner. Plus practicing for OS2L. Very few KeSPA players have a chance of qualifying with the GOM players able to compete. It would be humiliating if the Ro32 in the OS2L were entirely non-KeSPA players. Naniwa's in Korea, and Thorzain might be, and even Stephano might be attracted by a his-if-he-wants-it Code S invite alongside an OS2L. SC2 is a different game from BW, but for a KeSPA player to be knocked out of the qualifiers by a foreigner would be so bad. So, it's entirely possible, I guess, that they're just going to focus on a full switch now, and try to be ahead of the curve. | ||
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Shana
Indonesia1814 Posts
What the fuck? | ||
GTR
51699 Posts
 Point to play League of Legends or some shit.What the fuck? EDIT: A side note about ex-BW players playing LoL,  Tazza from former hite Sparkyz is on one of the larger-sponsored LoL teams in Korea now. | ||
Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On June 15 2012 13:31 GTR wrote: So uh, I just read on FOMOS that Grape is going to retire from BW and move into a house with Brave and Point to play League of Legends or some shit.What the fuck? EDIT: A side note about ex-BW players playing LoL, Tazza from former hite Sparkyz is on one of the larger-sponsored LoL teams in Korea now.http://leaguepedia.absolutelegends.net/wiki/NaJin_Sword Looks like Najim e-Sports (around top 3 teams in Korea) created a secondary team with him, and Reach as the head-coach. | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On June 15 2012 13:31 GTR wrote: So uh, I just read on FOMOS that Grape is going to retire from BW and move into a house with Brave and Point to play League of Legends or some shit.That just seems so bizarre. Flamewars aside, BW ==> SC2 has to be an easier transition than BW ==> LoL. Maybe he thinks LoL is more long-term viable because it's bigger in Korea? Or maybe he just loves LoL a whole lot. | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
stork probably going to found a samsung LoL team anyways. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
edit : the trend use to be bw retires that means he is impliedly is going to play sc2 however since LoL is growing more popular in korea than sc2 they are instead going to carry their career in to LoL . Which is good news to me .... | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On June 15 2012 12:32 Ribbon wrote: Could be that some teams are saying this format is so stupid they're not going to take it seriously anymore, and just focus on being the next season winner. Plus practicing for OS2L. Very few KeSPA players have a chance of qualifying with the GOM players able to compete. It would be humiliating if the Ro32 in the OS2L were entirely non-KeSPA players. Naniwa's in Korea, and Thorzain might be, and even Stephano might be attracted by a his-if-he-wants-it Code S invite alongside an OS2L. SC2 is a different game from BW, but for a KeSPA player to be knocked out of the qualifiers by a foreigner would be so bad. So, it's entirely possible, I guess, that they're just going to focus on a full switch now, and try to be ahead of the curve. This post has been invalidated, apparently. KeSPA doesn't want their precious stars having to play SC2 pros in the qualifiers. ಠ_ಠ That's humiliating, honestly. If I were a KeSPA player, I'd be pretty embarrassed about being babied like that. For all the Elephant in the Room talk, no one seems to have much confidence in the KeSPA players right now. Must be a bummer. Not only are you forced to play a new game, but you're expected to fail. | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On June 15 2012 16:26 Ribbon wrote: This post has been invalidated, apparently. KeSPA doesn't want their precious stars having to play SC2 pros in the qualifiers. ಠ_ಠ That's humiliating, honestly. If I were a KeSPA player, I'd be pretty embarrassed about being babied like that. For all the Elephant in the Room talk, no one seems to have much confidence in the KeSPA players right now. Must be a bummer. Not only are you forced to play a new game, but you're expected to fail. I disagree. I think it's smart to do this. One advantage that Kespa players have over most current SC2 pros is their experience in practicing specifically for particular matches. The PL/SL format focuses a lot on preparation. Whereas qualifiers are more about basic skills. I think it's much more likely for a BW veteran to beat an SC2 pro in the ODTs than in the qualifiers. You are right, in the qualifiers where you have to beat multiple players you don't know anything about, Flash may not be able to advance out of it. But put him in a Bo3 against a Code A player where he has a week to prepare? Flash has a good shot at winning. | ||
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Funnytoss
Taiwan1471 Posts
On June 15 2012 16:26 Ribbon wrote: This post has been invalidated, apparently. KeSPA doesn't want their precious stars having to play SC2 pros in the qualifiers. ಠ_ಠ That's humiliating, honestly. If I were a KeSPA player, I'd be pretty embarrassed about being babied like that. For all the Elephant in the Room talk, no one seems to have much confidence in the KeSPA players right now. Must be a bummer. Not only are you forced to play a new game, but you're expected to fail. Until Kespa players are playing SC2 full time, I wouldn't expect them to be consistently better than SC2 pros. It's just an unreasonable assumption. | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On June 15 2012 17:24 baubo wrote: I disagree. I think it's smart to do this. One advantage that Kespa players have over most current SC2 pros is their experience in practicing specifically for particular matches. The PL/SL format focuses a lot on preparation. Whereas qualifiers are more about basic skills. I think it's much more likely for a BW veteran to beat an SC2 pro in the ODTs than in the qualifiers. You are right, in the qualifiers where you have to beat multiple players you don't know anything about, Flash may not be able to advance out of it. But put him in a Bo3 against a Code A player where he has a week to prepare? Flash has a good shot at winning. I don't know about that. It's true that foreign SC2 tournaments are a billion games a day, but the GSL has a fairly long prep-time. And while KeSPA players may have more ability to prep generally (arguable), I'd imagine SC2 players would be much more capable of prepping for an SC2 match specifically. On June 15 2012 17:43 Funnytoss wrote: Until Kespa players are playing SC2 full time, I wouldn't expect them to be consistently better than SC2 pros. It's just an unreasonable assumption. Well, yes. It's still a little silly and demeaning that they're literally kept separate from the SC2 pros because it wouldn't really be sporting. Years of BW training, and then being told "we're keeping you away from the open qualifiers because ZergBong and a Swedish Warcraft 3 player might show up and we don't want you getting hurt". Just because it's reasonable doesn't make it feel any less sucky, especially since it's kind of an unearned advantage. Swinging this back on-topic, I think a lot of BW players feel pretty shitty, even aside the whole my-game-is-bigger-than-your-game. They're expected to dominate the current crop of SC2 pros, but at the same time they have to be protected from same. | ||
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maximuspita
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figq
12519 Posts
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On June 15 2012 21:36 figq wrote: I keep wondering how long will it take for Starcraft fans to recognize the true BW killer, which isn't SC2, but LoL. Are you serious ? and if so why ? | ||
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