[SPL] Grand Final Recap - Victory at Last! - Page 9

Bisu may not have an OSL gold, and while that will always be a blemish on his otherwise illustrious record, as a SKT fan, this actually makes me smile. Bisu has no OSL medal and indeed, he is a long, long way from a golden mouse. He may not stand up there with Nada and July and Jaedong and Flash and yet, here in these final hours of Broodwar, he took his place up there alongside one greater than all of them.

Today, he stands with Lim Yo Hwan.

On April 16 2012 23:09 2Pacalypse- wrote:

I think you're misunderstanding what a Battle Report is. I definitely did not write a deep analysis of that game. It's just a short report with few pictures on how the game transpired. How can it be deceiving? I literally just went through the game step by step and wrote what was happening on the screen at the moment.
But even if I did write an analysis of it, you would still be wrong. Of course it was part of Bisu's plan to make zealots in PvT, that's the part of every PvT... But Bisu could ONLY make Zealots then. So unless it was his plan to lose a cybernetics core, I'd say he didn't do anything special there.
Just to put it into numbers (from VOD):
15:14 - Bisu loses his core
16:28 - it shows his core at about 60% done
16:52 - if you do the math, that's about the time his core finished

Now you see that Bisu was without his core for about two whole minutes. If you take into account that it takes 40 seconds for zealot to be produced, you can conclude that he made three rounds from his gateways of pure zealots. He just lucked out that Flash didn't build any vultures whatsoever. And if I remember correctly, Flash mentioned in an interview that he didn't make vultures because he thought he killed Bisu's citadel so he didn't have speed zealots. Alas...

On April 17 2012 02:34 renzy wrote:


Don't think this is very true. Flash had 6 tanks pushing out when Bisu lost his cyber core. Upgrades for vulture are 100 (80 for spidermine, but both are needed) seconds, and takes 200 gas and 200 minerals in total. If Flash had upgraded those by the time Bisu's core went down, then he would have 4 tanks instead of 6. If Flash is just sooo perfect with timing he can time it such that he can delay his vulture upgrades long enough to get 2 tanks and have the upgrades finish by the time 2 rounds of zealots come attacking. Even if this did happen and he then produce nothing but vultures, he would still be in a terrible position since Bisu had a reaver with his zealot heavy army.

Remember, Flash has two locations (his main, and the cliff behind Bisu's main) he NEEDS to keep, if he loses one of these two positions he basically lost the game. Theres no way he can solidify his position at the back of Bisu's main let alone elevator them into Bisu's main with a dropship he built if he sacrifices tanks and pumps vultures none stop from there on. When the back gets cleaned up, Flash is pretty much dead anyways since he stopped SCVs to pull off his initial marine medic tank push, and is on 2 bases with only 3 factories..

On April 17 2012 02:52 2Pacalypse- wrote:

Yeah agree, Bisu was pretty far ahead in economy due to relatively fast third expansion so it didn't really matter for Flash. I was just saying had he made some vultures, even without upgrades, he could've maybe stop that attack by Bisu although losing a lot of SCVs in process. So in the end, even though it didn't seem like that in the game, Flash was in a pretty tough spot because Bisu took a fast third which I'm not sure he even scouted.

On April 17 2012 03:06 lazar56 wrote:


Me thinks there's another key element here that was missed in the recap and might have led to this discussion. It's true that Bisu was without a core for awhile, but I don't think he made zealots because he was without a core, rather it was his intention to do a speedlot counter all along and this is why he did not rebuild the core sooner. He actually rebuilds the citadel at the natural even before his first one and the core go down. Had he wanted to not interrupt his goon production he could have started a second core as soon as the first one was under siege.

I am a big Bisu fan, but nevertheless I think this was some ingenuity, foresight and good timing on his part rather than "luck" as he himself calls it or being forced into making a ton of zealots and having Flash unprepared for them.

On April 16 2012 15:19 Kiante wrote:

was expecting anger at skt bias. very surprised. decent comment.