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class henceforth, win or lose? It's ambiguous enough to stick, I'm telling you[SPL] Grand Final Recap - Victory at Last! - Page 10
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10344 Posts
Is Flash forever class henceforth, win or lose? It's ambiguous enough to stick, I'm telling you | ||
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iLoveKT
Philippines3615 Posts
TT | ||
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Mazer
Canada1086 Posts
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Release
United States4397 Posts
Bisu=SSS (mystarcraft reference). | ||
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Balgrog
United States1221 Posts
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
On April 17 2012 14:15 Release wrote: Cheese in the final. Always. That is the way to win. Reflecting now, can't believe Flash didn't choose to cheese or wall off. Bisu=SSS (mystarcraft reference). If you wall in and he gets dragoons you're gonna lost the two supply depots used for wall-in. And the lack of wall-in didn't hurt Flash against the proxy gate. The quadruple manner pylon and double gas steal did. And maybe Flash was going to cheese, he sent that very early SCV but obviously he saw the pylon, and proxy rax vs proxy gate isn't a good idea. | ||
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SgtPepper
United States568 Posts
I guess now I know how SKT fans felt the last 2 years... | ||
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scrubtastic
1166 Posts
It glosses over way too many details and also has some horribly incorrect implications. Example 1: that "contain" wasn't a contain at all. It didn't cut off Bisu's production and it *definitely* didn't stop Bisu from moving out of his base, how the hell can you call it a contain? At best it was a great move to easily shut down 1 base worth of minerals and snipe a couple of tech buildings while being very hard to crack due to its great positioning. At worst it was a desperation all-in (Flash cut a fuckton of SCVs for this while Bisu was still happily macroing with superior tech) that could only threaten part of 1 base and also managed to isolate his units so that they were useless at actually defending. Example 2: Bisu wasn't "out of options". Why ignore the "option" of choosing which to rebuild first: the Citadel or the Core? Bisu rebuilt the Citadel while the Citadel/Core was being shelled and it was Flash that had to guess what he rebuilt since he doesn't have maphack like the rest of us spectators. In fact I'm going to argue that *Flash* was out of options. Flash had a shit econ and all of Flash's income was devoted towards making marine/tank off of 3 factories. Any deviation into Vulture tech cuts down on the number of tanks he could make due to both resources and his 3 factories which also affects the chances of the all-in actually working. Flash desperately needed tanks at both the siege location and his base and furthermore that speedzeal attack came really fucking quickly - how many vultures could you possibly produce in response? God forbid you burn 200/200 on vulture tech and then get stuck with like 3 vultures vs speedzeal/goon/reaver. Flash might have made the game last a little longer if he somehow deflected the first speedzeal wave with vultures but he was still in a miserable position. Flash's sieged all-in position was in easy danger of being crushed and even if Flash somehow defended his base initially, Bisu would have the option of just crushing what was left of that all-in and then using his massive econ/tech advantage to overwhelm Flash at some point sooner or later. | ||
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ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
On April 17 2012 15:48 scrubtastic wrote: The detailed Bisu/Flash battle report is weak and crap. It glosses over way too many details and also has some horribly incorrect implications. Example 1: that "contain" wasn't a contain at all. It didn't cut off Bisu's production and it *definitely* didn't stop Bisu from moving out of his base, how the hell can you call it a contain? At best it was a great move to easily shut down 1 base worth of minerals and snipe a couple of tech buildings while being very hard to crack due to its great positioning. At worst it was a desperation all-in (Flash cut a fuckton of SCVs for this while Bisu was still happily macroing with superior tech) that could only threaten part of 1 base and also managed to isolate his units so that they were useless at actually defending. Example 2: Bisu wasn't "out of options". Why ignore the "option" of choosing which to rebuild first: the Citadel or the Core? Bisu rebuilt the Citadel while the Citadel/Core was being shelled and it was Flash that had to guess what he rebuilt since he doesn't have maphack like the rest of us spectators. In fact I'm going to argue that *Flash* was out of options. Flash had a shit econ and all of Flash's income was devoted towards making marine/tank off of 3 factories. Any deviation into Vulture tech cuts down on the number of tanks he could make due to both resources and his 3 factories which also affects the chances of the all-in actually working. Flash desperately needed tanks at both the siege location and his base and furthermore that speedzeal attack came really fucking quickly - how many vultures could you possibly produce in response? God forbid you burn 200/200 on vulture tech and then get stuck with like 3 vultures vs speedzeal/goon/reaver. Flash might have made the game last a little longer if he somehow deflected the first speedzeal wave with vultures but he was still in a miserable position. Flash's sieged all-in position was in easy danger of being crushed and even if Flash somehow defended his base initially, Bisu would have the option of just crushing what was left of that all-in and then using his massive econ/tech advantage to overwhelm Flash at some point sooner or later. Yep, we discussed this many times before, and i believe this was the analysis that are most agreed upon. Flash was behind after the opening, pulled out a surprised punch, but it wasn't enough to win him the game. Bisu picked the correct response too, one that Flash didn't expect. | ||
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stevewch
Hong Kong216 Posts
I'm looking forward to see such think next year!! Keep the faith!!! | ||
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slappy
United States1271 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45002 Posts
Flash with the F, along with the whole write-up and comic, makes my day. SKT is best KT | ||
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gn0m
Sweden302 Posts
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TheTurk
United States732 Posts
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
On April 18 2012 02:24 gn0m wrote: Great write-up! Does anyone know how big the crowed was? According to Wikipedia, stadium's max capacity is 7500 people. I think around the third of the bleachers were used, so that's 2500, and around 400 people in the middle, on the court, so that's close to 3000 in total. It doesn't sound a lot for PL Grand Finals, but the atmosphere was incredible. | ||
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ankurra
Germany46 Posts
hanks. | ||
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trifecta
United States6795 Posts
Go SKT! | ||
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saroir
Germany244 Posts
Brood War till the very end. SKT fighting! | ||
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scrubtastic
1166 Posts
On April 17 2012 19:37 ffreakk wrote: Yep, we discussed this many times before, and i believe this was the analysis that are most agreed upon. Flash was behind after the opening, pulled out a surprised punch, but it wasn't enough to win him the game. Bisu picked the correct response too, one that Flash didn't expect. I'm not sure how to feel now. It's good to see that other people thought along similar lines...and it's not good to see that an inaccurate/misleading battle report like this makes the front page instead. At some point I couldn't tell whether or not the report was actually what the writer believed, or it was some deliberate attempt at placating angry KT fans. I'm guessing battle reports aren't amended/rewritten or whatever after being posted so instead I'll just recommend that better analysis be done for the next one. | ||
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ibreakurface
United States664 Posts
On April 18 2012 06:45 trifecta wrote: If Flash is normally "G-Class" (God-Class), then Bisu's performance this Finals was some unfathomable class above God. Just saying... ^_^ Go SKT! Imbalanced map, and cheese. I would hardly say bisu played far better than flash. | ||
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