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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
On April 11 2012 01:09 Destroyr wrote: JD MAKE IT HAPPEN :D On April 11 2012 04:45 BroodKingEXE wrote: Although everyone will get to see the awesomeness that is FLASH!!!!!!!! BS. They'd just become mediocre. | ||
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VManOfMana
United States764 Posts
On April 11 2012 03:56 kakaman wrote: Looks like all the people who said KT and SKT had no benefits of expanding to the international audience because they don't sell any products abroad were dead wrong. Starleague sponsorship is very different from team sponsorship. The article is referring to OSL sponsorship. If you are going to troll, have a clue. | ||
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Hundisilm
Estonia99 Posts
On April 11 2012 03:35 Falling wrote: Maybe so, but longevity used to be one those arguments of why Starcraft progaming was unique and why Korea was able to build such a strong scene. I feel like more and more this argument has fallen to the wayside. The unique part is not quite true really. Counter Strike is pretty much the same age and Quake is even older. There have been a couple of new games for Quake, but I think they were a bit more "evolutionary" and had a relatively ok transitions from version to version (that's a guess to be honest, I don't really know almost anything about the Quake community). | ||
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TRAP[yoo]
Hungary6026 Posts
On April 11 2012 05:12 Hundisilm wrote: The unique part is not quite true really. Counter Strike is pretty much the same age and Quake is even older. There have been a couple of new games for Quake, but I think they were a bit more "evolutionary" and had a relatively ok transitions from version to version (that's a guess to be honest, I don't really know almost anything about the Quake community). i think q3 to q4 was a huge step and not that many people liked the way q4 felt. im not an expert on quake thou... i know that the counterstrike community is split in cs 1.6 and css and both communities despise the game that the other community plays...and as we all know cs 1.6 is still the big go-to shooter for tournament play | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On April 11 2012 04:55 Hesmyrr wrote: BS. They'd just become mediocre. Doubt it, considering MVP was dominating everyone in 2011 until his wrist problems became to much and he stopped practicing a lot and eventually fell off. He won MLG, WCG, GSL 3x (with another final apperance losing to MMA), etc. He was dominant so no I dont' think Flash/Jaedong will be mediocre if they switch to sc2 and play it like they did BW. | ||
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
On April 11 2012 04:45 BroodKingEXE wrote: How the hell is this gonna work! The hardcore BW fans wont watch because there is SC2 and the hardcore SC2 fans wont watch cause there is BW. Although everyone will get to see the awesomeness that is FLASH!!!!!!!! I see this said a lot but it's probably dead wrong. There's no way in hell SC2 fans won't sit through a game or two of BW just to see these guys that everyone goes around claiming would wreck the current scene play SC2. There's just too much hype around it for them to miss it. Not to mention a lot of SC2 fans actually were/still are BW fans, despite the belief around here otherwise. Odds are the only ones who will avoid watching entirely are the spiteful BW only fans who just hate SC2 so much that they can't stand to see their favorite players play it. Game quality is a legit concern but as far as we know teams were already practicing SC2 since the beginning of this season yet we still had a pretty awesome PL season. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On April 11 2012 05:48 xBillehx wrote: I see this said a lot but it's probably dead wrong. There's no way in hell SC2 fans won't sit through a game or two of BW just to see these guys that everyone goes around claiming would wreck the current scene play SC2. There's just too much hype around it for them to miss it. Not to mention a lot of SC2 fans actually were/still are BW fans, despite the belief around here otherwise. Odds are the only ones who will avoid watching entirely are the spiteful BW only fans who just hate SC2 so much that they can't stand to see their favorite players play it. Game quality is a legit concern but as far as we know teams were already practicing SC2 since the beginning of this season yet we still had a pretty awesome PL season. Hence all the cheese.... Seriously this season contained WAY much cheese than usual. I don't want to see every game to have 4 Pool vs BBS or Proxy Gate vs Bunker rush. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On April 11 2012 05:53 Xiphos wrote: Hence all the cheese.... Seriously this season contained WAY much cheese than usual. I don't want to see every game to have 4 Pool vs BBS or Proxy Gate vs Bunker rush. I also hated most of this season's maps. Sniper Ridge and Electric Circuit I liked, but I dislike the other maps, especially Outlier and Chain Reaction aka PvPs and PvZs as far as the eye can see. I really liked last year's map pool a lot more than this year's, and I at least wish they would change the BW map pool to something better whether or not they decide to include SC2. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On April 11 2012 06:51 eviltomahawk wrote: I also hated most of this season's maps. Sniper Ridge and Electric Circuit I liked, but I dislike the other maps, especially Outlier and Chain Reaction aka PvPs and PvZs as far as the eye can see. I really liked last year's map pool a lot more than this year's, and I at least wish they would change the BW map pool to something better whether or not they decide to include SC2. Blue Storm, Fighting Spirit, and Outsider are the best maps ever made imo. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On April 11 2012 06:56 Xiphos wrote: Blue Storm, Fighting Spirit, and Outsider are the best maps ever made imo. Indeed. For some reason, I feel like we are past the golden age of map pools. Maybe KeSPA wanted to keep things fresh this season with some "innovative" maps, but I just don't like how some of the maps are so imbalanced against Terran that we hardly ever see any TvXes on them. If BW continues for many more years, I'm mainly going to remember the bulk of this season as the season where I saw a bunch of Zergs and Protosses on Twilight-tile maps with destructible temples everywhere. | ||
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Gingerninja
United Kingdom1339 Posts
On April 11 2012 05:23 TRAP[yoo] wrote: i think q3 to q4 was a huge step and not that many people liked the way q4 felt. im not an expert on quake thou... i know that the counterstrike community is split in cs 1.6 and css and both communities despise the game that the other community plays...and as we all know cs 1.6 is still the big go-to shooter for tournament play Q4 felt more like Doom 3 than Quake 3, It was the engine that did that however. Yeah the Counter strike community, is split in two, ever since the day CSS launched, and it's still no better 8 years later. I hope they just pick one and go with it, rather than half assing it with both. Either stick with BW, or replace it. This half and half rumour sounds awful. | ||
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ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
On April 11 2012 07:04 eviltomahawk wrote: Indeed. For some reason, I feel like we are past the golden age of map pools. Maybe KeSPA wanted to keep things fresh this season with some "innovative" maps, but I just don't like how some of the maps are so imbalanced against Terran that we hardly ever see any TvXes on them. If BW continues for many more years, I'm mainly going to remember the bulk of this season as the season where I saw a bunch of Zergs and Protosses on Twilight-tile maps with destructible temples everywhere. I agree, there ll always be imbalanced map, but this season is a little over the top. Outlier and Chain Reaction almost never see Terran. Jade almost never see Zerg. Ground Zero, Sniper Ridge and Electric Circuit, while witnessing a healthy mix of races, still have their nuances of imbalance (maybe not so much for EC, it's pretty good, almost as good as Circuit Breaker?) | ||
white_horse
1019 Posts
On April 11 2012 03:56 kakaman wrote: Looks like all the people who said KT and SKT had no benefits of expanding to the international audience because they don't sell any products abroad were dead wrong. No, they aren't necessarily wrong. KT and SKT are domestic telecom companies and you'd only be able to get their service if you were in korea. The only benefit of advertising to a foreign audience is if some people from that group came to korea and got cell phone contracts from either of the two companies through brand recognition. Guys, korean companies sponsor BW teams and other professional sports teams because its a form of advertisement. They are able to promote their brand image by supporting a team. Advertising costs money. Running those teams costs money to those companies. But the money that is used is only a drop in the bucket compared to the revenue, which is why giant corporations like samsung, hyundai, or doosan are in the business. | ||
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rolypoly
20 Posts
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On April 10 2012 16:42 kinray wrote: What i think would be better than this mixed idea is either to have 2 different leagues or if the sponsors don't see monetary interest in BW to just have SC2 league. Let's be honest here it's not about how good BW and SC2 are it's about how much money the sponsors can make out of them. Even though what you say is true, it still hurts me oh so much to see it written... | ||
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
If proleague drops BW, it is safe to say I will probably never watch it again. | ||
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Dispersion
Korea (South)504 Posts
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mtn
729 Posts
On April 11 2012 13:49 phosphorylation wrote: Korean BW watchers heavily outnumber the Korean SC2 viewers, even among younger population.. yet the sponsors would rather support sc2. I blame the sponsors for this foolishness rather than anything else. If proleague drops BW, it is safe to say I will probably never watch it again. You know that BW has almost no viewership numbers right now right? User was warned for this post | ||
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Ideas
United States8144 Posts
On April 11 2012 13:57 mtn wrote: You know that BW has almost no viewership numbers right now right? honestly i've seen so many un-cited claims about viewership numbers for bw/sc2 the last few months that i have no idea what to believe. Until we get some actual, reliable sources, the only thing we can go by is live attendance estimates based on VODs. And from what I understand, BW still has a lot more audience at live events than GOM stuff, correct? And by that I mean inside Korea, not blizzcon or stuff in Las Vegas. | ||
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
On April 11 2012 13:57 mtn wrote: You know that BW has almost no viewership numbers right now right? You have no idea what you are talking about. BW still has a relatively strong following (less than its glory years but still significant) in Korea while sc2 is followed by very few. When proleague finals was going, many online communities that had nothing to do with esports have been buzzing about the proleague, as if important sporting event (like olympics or wolrd cup) was on. Major esports websites were temporaily down due to traffic; "proleague" "lee young ho" and "kim taek yong" were the most searched words in prominent korean search engines (naver, daum). SC2 has NEVER generated anything close to this. | ||
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