Maelstrom + storm + cannons

[CS]Pablo

Brazil338 Posts

March 31 2003 16:48 GMT

Isn't it the ultimate PvZ late game strategy? Specially against the usual Ultra+crak, maeltrom the front ultras, that help to block the way of the rear units, and let cannons and storms (maybe also scarabs) do the rest of the job. It is a natural evolution from a Rekrul-style mass DTs middle game.

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Grrrr...)

A3iL3r0n

United States2196 Posts

March 31 2003 17:17 GMT

I am not sure if the game just out played this way, or if it was a part of Grrrr...'s plan. But he did not attack the entire game apart from drops to the two islands. So I wonder if this strategy would be as effective on a larger map. Just curious. Otherwise, the strategy looked fairly unbeatable.

Fever_tr

Turkey222 Posts

March 31 2003 17:26 GMT

I dont call that a game. The Protoss just waited him to attack and The Zerg player left after the minerals run out. Thats what p users do. Vs terran, get mass expansions carriers GG.

Rekrul

Korea (South)17174 Posts

March 31 2003 17:37 GMT

since when is mass dt rekrul style?

InFiNitY[pG]

Germany3474 Posts

March 31 2003 17:37 GMT

if zerg plays clever there is no way you can starve him because with a good combination at 200 supply you should break through everything he has
( like ultra/guards/defiler/crackling/scourge )

[CS]Pablo

Brazil338 Posts

April 01 2003 07:19 GMT

you don't have to be deffensive. Do ht/dt (hallucinated dt?

) harassment, and the not-a-rekrul-strategy mass dt, then kill a wave or two of ultra+cracks with maelstrom+storm and the Z will have lost a huge amount of mins/gas with little gain. My point is that is common-sense that ZvP late game is almost unbeatable in almost any land map, but nobody has even tried seriously to use malestrom to try to balance it.

uT)CyrAx

United States282 Posts

April 01 2003 07:51 GMT

since when is rekrul associated with style?

Eliminator

Netherlands681 Posts

April 01 2003 08:03 GMT

Grrrr only defended cause there was no other option, zerg had blocked off half of the map with like 15+ sunks. A toss would be foolish to walk in there ;(

Asta

Germany3491 Posts

April 01 2003 09:01 GMT

On April 01 2003 02:37 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:
if zerg plays clever there is no way you can starve him because with a good combination at 200 supply you should break through everything he has
( like ultra/guards/defiler/crackling/scourge )

even vs a good combination of 200 supply toss units (reavers, hts, da) plus cannons? maybe if you have way more reinforcements than him but that brings us to the point of starving again...

mensrea

Canada5062 Posts

April 01 2003 09:28 GMT

#10

IntoTheRain tried something like it today in his Challenge League match on Neo Bifrost v [Soul]Junior. Used Archons as heavy frontal units v Junior's adrenaling/Ultra combo while mael/temp storming from the rear. Great strat because Archons aren't affected by mael. The strat almost worked, too. Rain just got overwhelmed by sheer numbers at the end (Junior had too many gas expos going without any kind of harrass from Rain).

This makes me wonder how effective mind control might be under similar conditions. I mean, DTs are nice to have anyway v Ultras, and a squad of Ultras suddenly don't look so tough if you can enlist half of them to your cause with Mind Control. May just be enough to turn the tide in a decisive battle. Hmmm...

Anyway, I'd like to see toss users get more "magical" v Zerg. Why not? It's not like they haven't tried just about everything else on crummy maps like Bifrost...

Liquid`Jinro

Sweden33719 Posts

April 01 2003 09:46 GMT

#11

Yeah the bifrost game was sort of nice o.o;; Rea I think you should write a report on these games ;o Cuz first of all there seemed to be a lot of interesting chit-chat by the commentators, and secondly because it was a nice bunch of games

Hehe Btw the rather loud fans in the crowd, they were fans of Qoo)Sunny right?

Both Rain and Sunny seemed to laugh a lot, what exactly did they say? Or were they just being loud? o.o;;

FrozenArbiter

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