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baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
March 12 2012 19:45 GMT
#661
On March 12 2012 23:03 Iplaythings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 22:40 gen.Sun wrote:
On March 12 2012 03:05 FirstProbe wrote:
On March 12 2012 01:42 VGhost wrote:
I know this is borderline insane... but is anyone else a little bit tempted to push fantasy up to #1? He's 4-0 since the last PR (to Flash's 4-2). Granted, he's had slightly easier opponents... but he hasn't lost to nobodies (though both admittedly with very good PvT). Also factoring in is fantasy's win - you could almost say comeback win - over Jaehoon, who's also a solid PvT player.

Mostly I'm wondering whether people are starting to figure out Flash's PvT (for now). He could have lost to Stork despite an abusive early game build if Stork hadn't gone all in on carriers AND lost his goons; he beat BeSt with a bunker rush; he's now running an 0-2 streak against Protoss. I'm not suggesting panic, and I don't really think there's sufficient evidence to actually knock him out of the #1 spot yet. But I do think it's something to start keeping an eye on, especially with fantasy just inches behind him in terms of performance and record.


I really do think Flash will be saving his most solid play, for the finals. There will be no bunker rushing protoss, in my opinion.

Regardless, Flash's mechanics are still superb- the best in my opinion. His tank control is excellent. His losses are due to being overly greedy against an aggressive and prepared opponent, and I doubt he will make that mistake in the finals.


I didn't feel like the center gates from M18M was a prepared build, rather a reaction to Flash's proxy into fast third. I feel like it was just a relatively hard screwup by Flash rather than some kind of brilliance by M18M.

Read the interview, he said it was a prepared strategy


It's only "prepared" in the sense that he felt it's a good counter to Flash's macro cheese. Given how Flash loves to double-expand off of almost nothing on maps with easy 3rds, it's not surprising that players will think about how to react to such a build. If Flash had played standard, M18M would've surely followed suit.
Meh
sour_eraser
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada932 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-12 19:57:15
March 12 2012 19:51 GMT
#662
On March 13 2012 04:45 baubo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 23:03 Iplaythings wrote:
On March 12 2012 22:40 gen.Sun wrote:
On March 12 2012 03:05 FirstProbe wrote:
On March 12 2012 01:42 VGhost wrote:
I know this is borderline insane... but is anyone else a little bit tempted to push fantasy up to #1? He's 4-0 since the last PR (to Flash's 4-2). Granted, he's had slightly easier opponents... but he hasn't lost to nobodies (though both admittedly with very good PvT). Also factoring in is fantasy's win - you could almost say comeback win - over Jaehoon, who's also a solid PvT player.

Mostly I'm wondering whether people are starting to figure out Flash's PvT (for now). He could have lost to Stork despite an abusive early game build if Stork hadn't gone all in on carriers AND lost his goons; he beat BeSt with a bunker rush; he's now running an 0-2 streak against Protoss. I'm not suggesting panic, and I don't really think there's sufficient evidence to actually knock him out of the #1 spot yet. But I do think it's something to start keeping an eye on, especially with fantasy just inches behind him in terms of performance and record.


I really do think Flash will be saving his most solid play, for the finals. There will be no bunker rushing protoss, in my opinion.

Regardless, Flash's mechanics are still superb- the best in my opinion. His tank control is excellent. His losses are due to being overly greedy against an aggressive and prepared opponent, and I doubt he will make that mistake in the finals.


I didn't feel like the center gates from M18M was a prepared build, rather a reaction to Flash's proxy into fast third. I feel like it was just a relatively hard screwup by Flash rather than some kind of brilliance by M18M.

Read the interview, he said it was a prepared strategy


It's only "prepared" in the sense that he felt it's a good counter to Flash's macro cheese. Given how Flash loves to double-expand off of almost nothing on maps with easy 3rds, it's not surprising that players will think about how to react to such a build. If Flash had played standard, M18M would've surely followed suit.

Tell me then. What is your standard build?Because the "standard" build differs for each person and Flash's standard build was getting quick 3rd. Standard build doesnt always have to involve 3-4 fact into 3 base 2-1 timing.
"What's the f*cking point of censoring a letter if everyone and their mother knows what it stands for.... F*cking morons"
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
March 12 2012 20:03 GMT
#663
i still feel that the fact that ANYBODY against flash is the massive underdog - a imperceptible feeling of power and unbeatable-ness that past PR writers have used as reasoning in placing #1's - is more than enough to place him at first this month. if the pattern of flash taking a consistently large number of losses while fantasy remains undefeated continues, there's definitely room for argument - but taking flash's 14 win streak and current play and his losses into consideration this seems rather unlikely
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baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
March 12 2012 20:15 GMT
#664
On March 13 2012 04:51 jidolboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2012 04:45 baubo wrote:
On March 12 2012 23:03 Iplaythings wrote:
On March 12 2012 22:40 gen.Sun wrote:
On March 12 2012 03:05 FirstProbe wrote:
On March 12 2012 01:42 VGhost wrote:
I know this is borderline insane... but is anyone else a little bit tempted to push fantasy up to #1? He's 4-0 since the last PR (to Flash's 4-2). Granted, he's had slightly easier opponents... but he hasn't lost to nobodies (though both admittedly with very good PvT). Also factoring in is fantasy's win - you could almost say comeback win - over Jaehoon, who's also a solid PvT player.

Mostly I'm wondering whether people are starting to figure out Flash's PvT (for now). He could have lost to Stork despite an abusive early game build if Stork hadn't gone all in on carriers AND lost his goons; he beat BeSt with a bunker rush; he's now running an 0-2 streak against Protoss. I'm not suggesting panic, and I don't really think there's sufficient evidence to actually knock him out of the #1 spot yet. But I do think it's something to start keeping an eye on, especially with fantasy just inches behind him in terms of performance and record.


I really do think Flash will be saving his most solid play, for the finals. There will be no bunker rushing protoss, in my opinion.

Regardless, Flash's mechanics are still superb- the best in my opinion. His tank control is excellent. His losses are due to being overly greedy against an aggressive and prepared opponent, and I doubt he will make that mistake in the finals.


I didn't feel like the center gates from M18M was a prepared build, rather a reaction to Flash's proxy into fast third. I feel like it was just a relatively hard screwup by Flash rather than some kind of brilliance by M18M.

Read the interview, he said it was a prepared strategy


It's only "prepared" in the sense that he felt it's a good counter to Flash's macro cheese. Given how Flash loves to double-expand off of almost nothing on maps with easy 3rds, it's not surprising that players will think about how to react to such a build. If Flash had played standard, M18M would've surely followed suit.

Tell me then. What is your standard build?Because the "standard" build differs for each person and Flash's standard build was getting quick 3rd. Standard build doesnt always have to involve 3-4 fact into 3 base 2-1 timing.


I think most people on TL generally subscribe to the definition of standard as something that will defend cheese. But will be disadvantageous towards a greedy build. Obviously when it comes to progamer builds it's a little more complicated than that. But for you to just say "standard differs from person to person" IMO makes absolutely no sense. Because from my years here I've rarely if ever seen it used in other context.
Meh
sour_eraser
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada932 Posts
March 12 2012 20:25 GMT
#665
On March 13 2012 05:15 baubo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2012 04:51 jidolboy wrote:
On March 13 2012 04:45 baubo wrote:
On March 12 2012 23:03 Iplaythings wrote:
On March 12 2012 22:40 gen.Sun wrote:
On March 12 2012 03:05 FirstProbe wrote:
On March 12 2012 01:42 VGhost wrote:
I know this is borderline insane... but is anyone else a little bit tempted to push fantasy up to #1? He's 4-0 since the last PR (to Flash's 4-2). Granted, he's had slightly easier opponents... but he hasn't lost to nobodies (though both admittedly with very good PvT). Also factoring in is fantasy's win - you could almost say comeback win - over Jaehoon, who's also a solid PvT player.

Mostly I'm wondering whether people are starting to figure out Flash's PvT (for now). He could have lost to Stork despite an abusive early game build if Stork hadn't gone all in on carriers AND lost his goons; he beat BeSt with a bunker rush; he's now running an 0-2 streak against Protoss. I'm not suggesting panic, and I don't really think there's sufficient evidence to actually knock him out of the #1 spot yet. But I do think it's something to start keeping an eye on, especially with fantasy just inches behind him in terms of performance and record.


I really do think Flash will be saving his most solid play, for the finals. There will be no bunker rushing protoss, in my opinion.

Regardless, Flash's mechanics are still superb- the best in my opinion. His tank control is excellent. His losses are due to being overly greedy against an aggressive and prepared opponent, and I doubt he will make that mistake in the finals.


I didn't feel like the center gates from M18M was a prepared build, rather a reaction to Flash's proxy into fast third. I feel like it was just a relatively hard screwup by Flash rather than some kind of brilliance by M18M.

Read the interview, he said it was a prepared strategy


It's only "prepared" in the sense that he felt it's a good counter to Flash's macro cheese. Given how Flash loves to double-expand off of almost nothing on maps with easy 3rds, it's not surprising that players will think about how to react to such a build. If Flash had played standard, M18M would've surely followed suit.

Tell me then. What is your standard build?Because the "standard" build differs for each person and Flash's standard build was getting quick 3rd. Standard build doesnt always have to involve 3-4 fact into 3 base 2-1 timing.


I think most people on TL generally subscribe to the definition of standard as something that will defend cheese. But will be disadvantageous towards a greedy build. Obviously when it comes to progamer builds it's a little more complicated than that. But for you to just say "standard differs from person to person" IMO makes absolutely no sense. Because from my years here I've rarely if ever seen it used in other context.


Maybe our thoughts on word "standard" might be different. For me, a "standard" build is a build most commonly used per player. Like in 2010, Flash's standard was 14cc vs Zerg. But other player such as Fantasy would have used 1 Rax FE as their "standard".
"What's the f*cking point of censoring a letter if everyone and their mother knows what it stands for.... F*cking morons"
Wohmfg
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1292 Posts
March 12 2012 20:32 GMT
#666
On March 13 2012 05:15 baubo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2012 04:51 jidolboy wrote:
On March 13 2012 04:45 baubo wrote:
On March 12 2012 23:03 Iplaythings wrote:
On March 12 2012 22:40 gen.Sun wrote:
On March 12 2012 03:05 FirstProbe wrote:
On March 12 2012 01:42 VGhost wrote:
I know this is borderline insane... but is anyone else a little bit tempted to push fantasy up to #1? He's 4-0 since the last PR (to Flash's 4-2). Granted, he's had slightly easier opponents... but he hasn't lost to nobodies (though both admittedly with very good PvT). Also factoring in is fantasy's win - you could almost say comeback win - over Jaehoon, who's also a solid PvT player.

Mostly I'm wondering whether people are starting to figure out Flash's PvT (for now). He could have lost to Stork despite an abusive early game build if Stork hadn't gone all in on carriers AND lost his goons; he beat BeSt with a bunker rush; he's now running an 0-2 streak against Protoss. I'm not suggesting panic, and I don't really think there's sufficient evidence to actually knock him out of the #1 spot yet. But I do think it's something to start keeping an eye on, especially with fantasy just inches behind him in terms of performance and record.


I really do think Flash will be saving his most solid play, for the finals. There will be no bunker rushing protoss, in my opinion.

Regardless, Flash's mechanics are still superb- the best in my opinion. His tank control is excellent. His losses are due to being overly greedy against an aggressive and prepared opponent, and I doubt he will make that mistake in the finals.


I didn't feel like the center gates from M18M was a prepared build, rather a reaction to Flash's proxy into fast third. I feel like it was just a relatively hard screwup by Flash rather than some kind of brilliance by M18M.

Read the interview, he said it was a prepared strategy


It's only "prepared" in the sense that he felt it's a good counter to Flash's macro cheese. Given how Flash loves to double-expand off of almost nothing on maps with easy 3rds, it's not surprising that players will think about how to react to such a build. If Flash had played standard, M18M would've surely followed suit.

Tell me then. What is your standard build?Because the "standard" build differs for each person and Flash's standard build was getting quick 3rd. Standard build doesnt always have to involve 3-4 fact into 3 base 2-1 timing.


I think most people on TL generally subscribe to the definition of standard as something that will defend cheese. But will be disadvantageous towards a greedy build. Obviously when it comes to progamer builds it's a little more complicated than that. But for you to just say "standard differs from person to person" IMO makes absolutely no sense. Because from my years here I've rarely if ever seen it used in other context.


Standard does not equal cautious as you imply. I'd argue that a year or so ago 12nex was standard in PvT, but it certainly wasn't cautious.
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Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
March 13 2012 00:11 GMT
#667
How has this thread derailed into defining what it means for play to be standard? ...

I think you guys are marching down the wrong path. Whether or not a player is reacting to a "standard" or a "tendency a certain player has" or whatever, the questions that issues that should be discussed are:
1) repeatability of performance
2) sustainability of the edge (the difference between this and (1) is that (1) asks what would happen in a BoX right now with X arbitrarily large, while (2) essentially asks how long before this "counter" is made irrelevant)

The reason why I cannot see dropping Flash below #1 on PR is that these wins against him are neither easily repeated, nor are they especially sustainable. There is zero reason to think that any Protoss player has an advantage against Flash in a Bo3+ and now that Flash knows that these "openings" exist he can easily close them.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
dobrzeee
Profile Joined February 2010
Poland71 Posts
March 13 2012 00:20 GMT
#668
Lol you cant look only on decisive wins of Flash and say: he plays so much better than everyone else. And then when someone defeat him say: flash is so much better, that was only lucky, prepared all in attack. Standard Flash games are so onesided, as someone said earlier, because he is cutting every edge. That is his style, if he didnt do that his games would be much more even. But when someone study Flash gamestyle, he could also be abusive. Dear and M18M did it recently, earlier in OSL Jangbi did the same in final game. You cannot expect that player who want to win with Flash will go to the lategame when he know he is in worse position because of Flash greed and abuse. Its smart to try to win earlier or force Flash to change his plans and go to lategame with much more even chances.

When you analyse Flash recent games, these bunker rushes were another abuse. They were crafted not to win outright (but vs Best it did anyway) but to secure stable advantage. M18M defended but lost some probes, stopped mining and ended behind. In a game vs Soulkey he managed to delay gas and lair tech, skip turrets and get free scv scouting when lings were busy attacking bunker. Even with this early advantage I am sure SK would fight better and possibly win if Flash didnt abuse shortest path to SK high ground and third.

I mean Flash still deserves 1st place, but you must see that those 2 loses are straight consequences of his style and cannot be considered only random upsets. They were something as normal as Flash 200/200 army rolling toss playing "standard".
there is no such thing as luck in the long run but run is never long enough
Spekulatius
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2413 Posts
March 13 2012 01:09 GMT
#669
On March 13 2012 09:20 dobrzeee wrote:
[...]
I mean Flash still deserves 1st place, but you must see that those 2 loses are straight consequences of his style and cannot be considered only random upsets. They were something as normal as Flash 200/200 army rolling toss playing "standard".


No style is perfect. There's no build has no holes at all that can't be exploited in some or the other way. Funny thing is, nobody has found a way yet to do so with Flash's style. Which makes it as perfect (plus the execution part of course) as anybody can get.

Dear essentially benefited from his exploitation of Flash's scouting pattern that left him unprepared for the reavers. And M18M's victory was also due only to a lack of (successful) scouting. I agree with Mortality in saying those were only coincidental losses in the sense that they could happen to any player.

It's not a flaw in Flash's play. It's just the volatility of the game.
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Wohmfg
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1292 Posts
March 13 2012 01:30 GMT
#670
On March 13 2012 10:09 Spekulatius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2012 09:20 dobrzeee wrote:
[...]
I mean Flash still deserves 1st place, but you must see that those 2 loses are straight consequences of his style and cannot be considered only random upsets. They were something as normal as Flash 200/200 army rolling toss playing "standard".


No style is perfect. There's no build has no holes at all that can't be exploited in some or the other way. Funny thing is, nobody has found a way yet to do so with Flash's style. Which makes it as perfect (plus the execution part of course) as anybody can get.

Dear essentially benefited from his exploitation of Flash's scouting pattern that left him unprepared for the reavers. And M18M's victory was also due only to a lack of (successful) scouting. I agree with Mortality in saying those were only coincidental losses in the sense that they could happen to any player.

It's not a flaw in Flash's play. It's just the volatility of the game.


The flaws in Flash's play is exactly what caused his losses. Both players found a very specific characteristic of his play and exploited it.
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Spekulatius
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2413 Posts
March 13 2012 01:58 GMT
#671
If you say that (hypothetically) losing with a 14CC to a 9pool on close position is a flaw in someone's game, then Flash's play is flawed.

That's ridiculous though. His play is not flawed in the sense that he can't adapt based on scouting. The style he has is so safe and so effective that it granted him his impeccable record until he got stopped. We can safely assume Flash would've held Dear's speed shuttle reaver drops if he had seen the supports bay, despite building his 3rd already. Although, I give you that, it's tough to say Flash was gonna hold M18M's proxy gates+robo if he had seen it after building his 3rd.

The big question we have to ask is: is Flash's play exploitable in so far as there's a recipe to beating him? Is there a way other players/other protosses can continuously take advantage of his playstyle? And I don't think this can be said (yet). As long as Flash's losses can be attributed to tragic misreads or proxied all-in strategies which represent statistical swings more than legit faulty play there's no way to doubt his dominance, his position on the ranking or the well-roundedness of his style imo.
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dobrzeee
Profile Joined February 2010
Poland71 Posts
March 13 2012 02:04 GMT
#672
Flash could play only little more safe. If he was that good it would be enough to win anyway especially with his superior mechanics and gamesence. But he didnt and those loses can be described as bad decision making. Its unlikely that other players could lose this way because they are more aware of early aggression and they are not overconfident. Dear admited that he didnt have good results with this build in practice with other terrans. Probably because they didnt play as greedy as Flash.
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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
March 13 2012 02:12 GMT
#673
"The style that he has is so safe..."
In the entire PL, Flash's style is in one of the least safe echelon. Vs Soo, he made a huge gamble of rushing in with a handful of units. Vs Stork, if Stork have even attempt to move his goons to deflect drops, Flash's build would be completely nullified and have to play from behind. Same deal vs BeSt, Flash got lucky as BeSt only know what hit him when Flash already got 4 Marines with a bunker in the process of being planted.

Flash is the most abusive player of the entire season and that's a the biggest reason that contribute to his wins.
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Spekulatius
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2413 Posts
March 13 2012 02:31 GMT
#674
All I'm saying is: Whatever Flash is doing and however you value his playstyle, it does work consistenly, and to the extent that no player will enter a series against Flash and be confident in taking it. So unless protosses continue to exploit what has been called a flaw in his style, he's guaranteed #1 on the ranking.
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]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
March 13 2012 02:31 GMT
#675
On March 13 2012 11:12 Xiphos wrote:Flash is the most abusive player of the entire season ever and that's a the biggest reason that contribute to his wins makes him one of the best players ever.


Sorry if this is stating the obvious? Flash is always trying to play mindgames and take advantage of what his opponent might be thinking; that (his "enlightenment," if you will) is what turned him from 2008/9-can-only-play-PL Flash into today's God Flash. It's "abusing" what his opponents would do under normal circumstances; Flash, being smart, can often deduce this from his scans.

Dear and M18M thought outside the box a bit, tried to guess what Flash couldn't scout/adapt to, and came up with winning timing attacks. It's not impossible for other players to duplicate, but unfortunately they'll have to prepare something special for just about every match against Flash; he improvises and reacts better than any other progamer (though once in a while, he'll be sort of stubborn...)
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Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
March 13 2012 02:54 GMT
#676
On March 13 2012 11:04 dobrzeee wrote:
Flash could play only little more safe. If he was that good it would be enough to win anyway especially with his superior mechanics and gamesence. But he didnt and those loses can be described as bad decision making. Its unlikely that other players could lose this way because they are more aware of early aggression and they are not overconfident. Dear admited that he didnt have good results with this build in practice with other terrans. Probably because they didnt play as greedy as Flash.


It's not as if "Flash only wins because he is greedy." If being greedy is all it takes, then why aren't any other Terrans able to replicate his play and success? And it's not as if players don't try to all-in or win with timing attacks against him. Usually he blocks them convincingly. Nor can it really be said that "Flash is greedy because he is overconfident."

Flash gets away with what he does because he understands the game better than any other Terran, including Fantasy who I'd like to see eventually get a #1 on PR. He is always a step ahead and only falls behind when caught off guard.

So what are you saying? That because he CAN be caught off guard that this somehow makes him less of a genius? Starcraft is a game of educated guessing. Nobody can guess right 100% of the time.

Nobody has found a way to duplicate Flash's "greed." Nobody has found a reliable way to punish him for it. With the right maps and metagame there are a few who can manage. Stork. Jangbi. Bisu. But nobody has it against Flash right now. As I've said before, that may change in OSL when Flash is forced to play on maps that are bad for Terran (Outlier, Chain Reaction), but we'll see.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
nbaker
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1341 Posts
March 13 2012 04:49 GMT
#677
I agree with ]343[ and Mortality.

It's ridiculous to think that Flash should just 'win' games by playing standard. Things like 'game sense' and 'perfect macro' are generally labels we give to things we don't understand in progames. Flash obviously has good mechanics, but most progamers can macro almost perfectly. The reason he has more stuff is he makes builds that squeeze out the most economy based on what he knows/thinks the player is up to. Obviously, this makes Flash vulnerable in certain situations, but the fact that he is right so often is a testament to how great he is at the game.

Flash #1 PR for sure imo.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
March 13 2012 09:26 GMT
#678
Agreed, Flash has to stay #1. He 4-0'd Leta, Best, Stork and Soulkey in emphatic fashion and got sniped twice by very good toss vs T snipers (only one in Feb). He's still a strong favourite against anyone in the league at this point. He's also generally faced with higher calibre opponents than his closest rival, Fantasy.
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Trias
Profile Joined November 2007
Netherlands53 Posts
March 13 2012 10:47 GMT
#679
What about:

1. Flash
2. Fantasy
3. Stork
4. Soulkey
5. Leta
6. Crazy-Hydra
7. Best
8. Jaedong
9. Last
10. Dear

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This actually turns out to be the same as the ranking you get if you order the players by #wins-#losses over the entire SPL season. Nonetheless, it feels about right.


Can we leave the flash #1 debate behind and actually focus on the more difficult issues this month:
1. Should Bisu drop-off the PR entirely?
2. Should Soo make an appearance, despite sucking for the first 2 rounds of proleague?
3. What order should Soulkey and Leta appear?
4. What order should Crazy-Hydra/Best/JD appear?
5. What about Last/Turn/Dear?
Kiett
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Last Edited: 2012-03-13 11:24:49
March 13 2012 11:11 GMT
#680
I don't... really think Crazy Hydra should be that high, not above Jaedong anyway. I know his winrate is better, but... my impression of his games is still not terribly amazing. He's also been playing exclusively vZ and vP (no, that travesty of a game against Light doesn't count). I guess I feel like someone in 6th place should be showing good performances against better players in all 3 matchups. Is that asking for too much? idk. (edit: and not 5 minutes after I wrote this, Jaedong just showed a disgustingly dominant ZvP)

Hard to say about Soulkey and Leta. SK had the slightly harder opponents (3/4 of TBLS within 2 weeks? dang), but lost in the head-to-head. Both died to Flash, but Leta managed to take down Jaedong who beat SK. I think I'd actually give 4th to Leta, but it could really go either way.

SoO should get CBNC. Despite his fails, he finished this round 6-0, better than any other player.

Turn, sorry bro, but your last two games have beengod awful. Goodbye, and hope to see you back on the PR again someday. Not so sure about Last as #9 either. Everyone's so quick to penalize Bisu for losing 3 games (2 since the last PR), but Last lost 4 in a row (3 since the last PR). At the risk of sounding like an unreasonable fangirl... I'm still going to suggest Dear at 9, Bisu at 10, and Last as CBNC. Idk why you would drop a guy from 6 to off the PR for going 2-2, but raise a guy from nothing to 9 for going 1-3 lol
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