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KTF_CloaK
Netherlands1338 Posts
On March 11 2012 03:41 gen.Sun wrote: This is probably not enough to cause Flash to lose #1. But maybe another loss would? No. Flash has a 15-2 record and because he lost twice you want to drop him? I disagree because his play is just perfect (other than hid losses haha) and his record is pretty awesome. I dont see Flash losing his number 1 spot for a loooong time. | ||
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Wohmfg
United Kingdom1292 Posts
On March 11 2012 03:41 gen.Sun wrote: This is probably not enough to cause Flash to lose #1. But maybe another loss would? He's still the most feared opponent of anyone. | ||
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ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
On March 11 2012 03:46 KTF_CloaK wrote: No. Flash has a 15-2 record and because he lost twice you want to drop him? I disagree because his play is just perfect (other than hid losses haha) and his record is pretty awesome. I dont see Flash losing his number 1 spot for a loooong time. I agree. Outside of his losses, Flash looked completely indomitable. Fantasy's record may be almost as good, but he doesn't look nearly as Invincible as Flash does during the season. Just look at today's game vs Jaehoon, for example, i wouldn't have been surprised if Fanta had typed out at any moment. It was Hoonie's mistake that gave Fanta a chance to take back the game. I don't get this feeling during any of Flash's wins this season, those were all clean wins that left no doubt as to who the victor would have been. Even during his losses, Flash's over-the-top optimisation worked against him in the Dear game. His decision to cancel turret was a good one given the information he had, imho. Plopping down the 3rd CC in front of the Zealot in M18M's game was.. bad? xD Still, 1: Flash, 2: Fanta is pretty locked for this month. | ||
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Mirabel_
United States1768 Posts
On March 11 2012 04:10 ffreakk wrote: Just look at today's game vs Jaehoon, for example, i wouldn't have been surprised if Fanta had typed out at any moment. Did anyone else experience audible laughter at the irony of this statement? | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5595 Posts
On March 11 2012 03:41 gen.Sun wrote: This is probably not enough to cause Flash to lose #1. But maybe another loss would? Are we just one loss away from getting a new "unimpressed Fantasy meme" thread? lol! | ||
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Serpest
United States603 Posts
On March 11 2012 06:51 Mirabel_ wrote: Did anyone else experience audible laughter at the irony of this statement? Yah. Fantasy gg? Never! :D | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
On March 11 2012 06:51 Mirabel_ wrote: Did anyone else experience audible laughter at the irony of this statement? Yes. We have an ENTIRE thread devoted to why ffreakk's statement holds no merit. | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10193 Posts
Fanta EZ #2 imo. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On March 11 2012 07:14 FlaShFTW wrote: FlaSh still #1. We all agree we would take FlaSh over anyone right now, whether BO1 or BO5. Fanta EZ #2 imo. Stork number 2 if he manages to come out victorious against Stars's insectoid twins in an epic fashion. | ||
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Trias
Netherlands53 Posts
 n.Die_soORecord: 6 - 0 Wins over:LighT,  Movie, Stats Brave, Peace, SangPros: 100% win rate this round. Cons: Although he has been winning, his actual play hasn't seemed that convincing to me. Record relies mostly on his ZvP. Verdict: Should probably get a low spot on this months PR. BeStRecord: 5 -1 Wins: Tyson,  Reality, Dear, sHy, EffOrtLosses: FlashPros: Only loss to Flash, 12-7 this season Cons: Poor performance in round 2 Verdict: Should probably return on the PR, spot in the lower half? LetaRecord: 5 - 1 Wins: Bogus, Neo.G_Soulkey, Jaedong, Sharp, FantasyLosses: FlashPros: Wins over strong opponents, Only loss to flash, 10-4 this season Cons: His vP is almost untested. Verdict:Similar position as Best. Crazy-HydraRecord: 4 - 0 Wins: Kal, hyvaa, sHy, By.SunPros: 100% win rate this round, 80% win rate over the whole season. Has been tearing up both Ps and Zs. Cons: vT? Verdict: Place in the lower half of PR. StorkRecord: 4 - 0 Wins: ZerO, Alone, mini, ActionPros: 100% record this round, 13-5 overall Cons: Relatively weak opponents. Verdict: 3rd or 4th place on PR DearRecord: 4 - 1 Wins: firebathero, Flash, LighT, SeaLosses: BeStPros: Win over flash. 7-2 over the whole season. Cons: Pretty much only plays vT. Verdict: Candidate for a #10 spot. FantasyRecord: 4 - 1 Wins: Jaehoon, Calm, ZerO, MindLosses: LetaPros: Has looked strong all season. Cons: Looked rather vulnerable in his game vs Jaehoon Verdict: keep at #2. CalmRecord: 4 - 1 Wins: Horang2, Kal, Brave, KillerLosses: FantasyPros: 8-4 record in the whole season. Cons:Wins over weak opponents. Mostly vP sniper. Verdict: Candidate for a low spot. | ||
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sM.Zik
Canada2550 Posts
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baubo
China3370 Posts
1. Flash 2. Fantasy 3. Stork 4. Leta/Soulkey 5. Leta/Soulkey Stork may be lower, but I think he deserves #3 spot more than anyone else. Still one position lower than the spot he's most comfortable in though. 6-10 IMO is a crapshoot. And I think you can order them in many different ways and make sense. | ||
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Trias
Netherlands53 Posts
On March 12 2012 00:46 sM.Zik wrote: Jaedong is also 4-1 (is it 5-1 ?) in Round 3, he should be consider to at least get back in the lower half of the PR imo. Jaedong is 3-1 in round 3 and 11-6 overall. But I agree, JD should definitely be considered for a spot on the lower half. (Think about it: Does anybody seriously think that soo projects more power than JD? I certainly don't.) | ||
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sM.Zik
Canada2550 Posts
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Trias
Netherlands53 Posts
On March 12 2012 01:13 sM.Zik wrote: Oh i wasnt sure when R3 started.. so 3-1 but he still have one match left to play lets hope T8 will send him this time.. For the PR it would very interesting if we could see a JD vs CH match-up. But there is a good chance that team 8 will give its lesser players some air time, since there is nothing to win or lose for them. Don't be surprised to see Dream.t)check or Speed come out. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On March 11 2012 11:12 Xiphos wrote: Stork number 2 if he manages to come out victorious against Stars's insectoid twins in an epic fashion. Hey I was right! | ||
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VGhost
United States3615 Posts
Mostly I'm wondering whether people are starting to figure out Flash's PvT (for now). He could have lost to Stork despite an abusive early game build if Stork hadn't gone all in on carriers AND lost his goons; he beat BeSt with a bunker rush; he's now running an 0-2 streak against Protoss. I'm not suggesting panic, and I don't really think there's sufficient evidence to actually knock him out of the #1 spot yet. But I do think it's something to start keeping an eye on, especially with fantasy just inches behind him in terms of performance and record. | ||
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KTF_CloaK
Netherlands1338 Posts
On March 12 2012 01:42 VGhost wrote: I know this is borderline insane... but is anyone else a little bit tempted to push fantasy up to #1? He's 4-0 since the last PR (to Flash's 4-2). Granted, he's had slightly easier opponents... but he hasn't lost to nobodies (though both admittedly with very good PvT). Also factoring in is fantasy's win - you could almost say comeback win - over Jaehoon, who's also a solid PvT player. Mostly I'm wondering whether people are starting to figure out Flash's PvT (for now). He could have lost to Stork despite an abusive early game build if Stork hadn't gone all in on carriers AND lost his goons; he beat BeSt with a bunker rush; he's now running an 0-2 streak against Protoss. I'm not suggesting panic, and I don't really think there's sufficient evidence to actually knock him out of the #1 spot yet. But I do think it's something to start keeping an eye on, especially with fantasy just inches behind him in terms of performance and record. As Has been said before on the exact same page on which you posted, no, FlaSh will be #1 for a looong time. And Fantasy? No, I mean Fanatasy is a really good player, but he has had easier opponents than Flash, and FlaSh just has better play, better sense and better mechanics. FlaSh beats his opponents good, and when I say good I mean there is no doubt FlaSh would win a bo3 or o5 against any given player. FlaSh becoming predictable? Maybe a little, his fast third vT build is starting to get hard-countered but he will find a way to do it safely or he will just play any other style of PvT and win because of better macro and gamesense. And his vT and vZ have never looked so impossibly perfect than they do now. | ||
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ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
On March 12 2012 01:42 VGhost wrote: I know this is borderline insane... but is anyone else a little bit tempted to push fantasy up to #1? He's 4-0 since the last PR (to Flash's 4-2). Granted, he's had slightly easier opponents... but he hasn't lost to nobodies (though both admittedly with very good PvT). Also factoring in is fantasy's win - you could almost say comeback win - over Jaehoon, who's also a solid PvT player. Mostly I'm wondering whether people are starting to figure out Flash's PvT (for now). He could have lost to Stork despite an abusive early game build if Stork hadn't gone all in on carriers AND lost his goons; he beat BeSt with a bunker rush; he's now running an 0-2 streak against Protoss. I'm not suggesting panic, and I don't really think there's sufficient evidence to actually knock him out of the #1 spot yet. But I do think it's something to start keeping an eye on, especially with fantasy just inches behind him in terms of performance and record. Interesting perspective. I was actually very impressed w him in the game vs Stork (almost as much as i was with Stork's valiant hold). That (abusive) early game attack was brilliant. But yea, now that you mention it, his recent vP games has left some (very very tiny) room for doubt. Nothing is wrong with Bunker Rushing, but it does mean that his mid-late prowess isn't tested. And twice now his mid-game transition has been abused by relatively no-name Protosses. Hopefully he bump into some good Tosses in the play-off, and clear away these doubts, or at least provide us with entertaining games. Stork vs Flash rematch would be cool. | ||
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FirstProbe
1206 Posts
On March 12 2012 01:42 VGhost wrote: I know this is borderline insane... but is anyone else a little bit tempted to push fantasy up to #1? He's 4-0 since the last PR (to Flash's 4-2). Granted, he's had slightly easier opponents... but he hasn't lost to nobodies (though both admittedly with very good PvT). Also factoring in is fantasy's win - you could almost say comeback win - over Jaehoon, who's also a solid PvT player. Mostly I'm wondering whether people are starting to figure out Flash's PvT (for now). He could have lost to Stork despite an abusive early game build if Stork hadn't gone all in on carriers AND lost his goons; he beat BeSt with a bunker rush; he's now running an 0-2 streak against Protoss. I'm not suggesting panic, and I don't really think there's sufficient evidence to actually knock him out of the #1 spot yet. But I do think it's something to start keeping an eye on, especially with fantasy just inches behind him in terms of performance and record. I really do think Flash will be saving his most solid play, for the finals. There will be no bunker rushing protoss, in my opinion. Regardless, Flash's mechanics are still superb- the best in my opinion. His tank control is excellent. His losses are due to being overly greedy against an aggressive and prepared opponent, and I doubt he will make that mistake in the finals. | ||
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