EPTNow that you mention it, there is a terran I overlooked
PianO 3-2
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Bogus played much better than his record indicates, but I don't think 2-4 is good enough for anything more than a CBNC mention
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
Now that you mention it, there is a terran I overlooked PianO 3-2 + Show Spoiler + | ||
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
imho while it's easy to use the baby v. last game in last's favor, i also think that due to the highly specialized nature of the build and the razor-edged-ness of the timing, it shouldn't count too too much against baby. also worth noting that last ended up undefeated playing only TvT. i think it's a bit like losing to skyhigh on a very good day | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
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FuRong
New Zealand3089 Posts
On January 01 2012 17:09 Mortality wrote: Stork is no longer #2. Jangbi's stock is falling fast. Yeah, I guess I have to retract my previous contribution after the last two days. I really don't know anymore. I think Last deserves a place, and I'm not sure if Effort or Soulkey still warrant one. | ||
GTR
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zmeqt
Bulgaria527 Posts
1)Flash 2)Fantasy-coming off from a very nice 4-1 record with good wins over Movie and Zero and his only loss being to rampaging TvT player Last,also silver medalist form OSL. 3)Stats - the most impressive player this month without a doubt with great 5-1 record and bagging wins over the likes of Effort and Bogus,both of them being great vP players. but than its paper thin difference between Effort,Hydra,Stork,Bisu,Baby and Jangbi. I also think Last deserves 9th or 10th place,because of his 4-0,despite being only in TvT-s, he beated good players like Baby and Fantasy. | ||
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The Final Boss
United States1839 Posts
On January 01 2012 15:53 red4ce wrote: Now that you mention it, there is a terran I overlooked PianO 3-2 + Show Spoiler + Bogus played much better than his record indicates, but I don't think 2-4 is good enough for anything more than a CBNC mention Yeah as much as I like Bogus, he hasn't been as good as other players. But just wait he's gonna start destroying everybody next round! ^^ | ||
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Tippereth
United States252 Posts
On January 02 2012 01:11 The Final Boss wrote: Yeah as much as I like Bogus, he hasn't been as good as other players. But just wait he's gonna start destroying everybody next round! ^^ Clearly Bogus will destroy everybody in 2012. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On January 01 2012 16:13 o[twist] wrote: + Show Spoiler + imho while it's easy to use the baby v. last game in last's favor, i also think that due to the highly specialized nature of the build and the razor-edged-ness of the timing, it shouldn't count too too much against baby. also worth noting that last ended up undefeated playing only TvT. i think it's a bit like losing to skyhigh on a very good day Yeah, unless we know that he isn't a one trick pony ala skyhigh he should be at CBNC. Though he has mntioned that he was confident enough to want to take on stats in the interview... Who knows, he might be as good as bogus? also guys, don't bother spoiler, flamewheel has been very cear about that this thread is a place of spoilers so dont worry about it  | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
Umm yeah gonna start over. | ||
monk
United States8476 Posts
On January 02 2012 08:48 flamewheel wrote: Oops sorry I accidentally slept the last three hours and somehow deleted my stored work o_O Umm yeah gonna start over. xD, looking forward to it | ||
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
On January 01 2012 22:55 zmeqt wrote: I can clearly see the top three: 1)Flash 2)Fantasy-coming off from a very nice 4-1 record with good wins over Movie and Zero and his only loss being to rampaging TvT player Last,also silver medalist form OSL. 3)Stats - the most impressive player this month without a doubt with great 5-1 record and bagging wins over the likes of Effort and Bogus,both of them being great vP players. but than its paper thin difference between Effort,Hydra,Stork,Bisu,Baby and Jangbi. I also think Last deserves 9th or 10th place,because of his 4-0,despite being only in TvT-s, he beated good players like Baby and Fantasy. I agree with your top 3. But Last deserves no place on the PR - yet. I'm not sure how you could overlook Jaedong either. So replace Last with Jaedong (although I'd rank Jaedong higher than 9) and that's the 10 that I expect in the PR. As for the order... who knows. | ||
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Oystein
Norway1602 Posts
On January 01 2012 14:35 Lachrymose wrote: I think the loss to Bogus was by the far the worst loss of the season for Bisu. He had a real opportunity to win that game and he did not play well enough. He could have at least stalled for a lot longer with the amount of Dragoons he had out, but he let Bogus move too freely into position. The game against Free was not a bad loss at all. Free rolled the build-order dice and it payed off. Chase out of the scouting Probe with the first Dragoon, immeditately drop a Nexus and pray Bisu is playing safe. Bisu went 2-gate obs, so he lost. I think his loss against Bogus was pretty much equal with the Free one, both games he just got absolutely shafted on the initial build orders and got into spots that its incredible hard to get out of. He looked like MABYE he could have broken the push just before that one mine hit all his dragoons but even without that mine its not sure he could have broken that, Bogus still had 7 tanks and excellent positioning. He was severely behind due to the buildorders and its not like he was just giving away the ridges since Bogus was leapfrogging his tanks everytime he got close to them. Once he scouted the 5fac and SCV cut he did the appropriate respons that is cutting probes and mass gates too try to stop the push and still got crushed. The most questionable thing he did that game was the first engagement he did on the last ridge where he lost a few goons without actually doing any damage to Bogus force, but then again he cant really just give up that ridge either and let bogus get up turrets and get the superior high ground position. Personally I think the loss against Stork was his worst, where he twice got caught out of position with his goons. While the other 2 losses came from hard BO disadvantages more than mistakes in his own game. | ||
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kingalexxx
United States273 Posts
On January 02 2012 09:55 Crisium wrote: I agree with your top 3. But Last deserves no place on the PR - yet. I'm not sure how you could overlook Jaedong either. So replace Last with Jaedong (although I'd rank Jaedong higher than 9) and that's the 10 that I expect in the PR. As for the order... who knows. I don't see how you could leave out Last. Sure, he's only played TvT's so far but he's still the only player other than Flash(out of the players who have at least played 3 games) who is undefeated (4-0). I bet if Bisu went 4-0 only facing zergs, people wouldn't say he should be left out of the PR. Last beat Fantasy and Baby (both only have 1 loss) and even though Mind and Iris aren't doing too well, they're still solid terrans. He's shown that he can keep his focus and outLAST opponents in long drawn out games and even showed us a strategic build in his recent win over Baby. Last definitely deserves a spot on the power rankings. | ||
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VGhost
United States3616 Posts
On January 02 2012 10:34 kingalexxx wrote: I don't see how you could leave out Last. Sure, he's only played TvT's so far but he's still the only player other than Flash who is undefeated (4-0). I bet if Bisu went 4-0 only facing zergs, people wouldn't say he should be left out of the PR. Last beat Fantasy and Baby (both only have 1 loss) and even though Mind and Iris aren't doing too well, they're still solid terrans. He's shown that he can keep his focus and outLAST opponents in long drawn out games and even showed us a strategic build in his recent win over Baby. Last definitely deserves a spot on the power rankings. Last is a definite CNBC, but he's always been a TvT specialist. A quick look at his record and you see he hasn't won a non-mirror in a regular league in two and a half years, when he beat Stork on Shades of Twilight, a map Last played almost exclusively for STX that season as it was TvT heaven. Even that game, Stork failed a cheese, very similar to Jangbi's loss to Piano recently. Further, the win against Stork is his only win against even an A-class player except in TvT, other than some 2-1 and 1-2 results against Protoss in prelims. Saying he still has too much to prove is excessively charitable, and I'm actually a big fan of Last. | ||
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Turbovolver
Australia2396 Posts
On January 02 2012 10:27 Oystein wrote: I think his loss against Bogus was pretty much equal with the Free one, both games he just got absolutely shafted on the initial build orders and got into spots that its incredible hard to get out of. Huh? 5fac timing is a pretty common thing, and hardly an "initial build order"... it's a standard response to double expand which has been deflected tons of times. What am I missing here? Bisu messed up by failing all his zealot bombs, his micro in engagements was horrible. And shouldn't he have had a reaver? That's not an initial build order. | ||
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
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sviatoslavrichter
United States164 Posts
On January 02 2012 20:01 flamewheel wrote: I'm not going to lie, this is one of the tougher PRs to write and it's killing me. You might be able to fill more stuff in by writing about how the reduction in # of games has affected the relative strengths of players. Maybe having a less intense proleague schedule is the reason why teams are now this close? | ||
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
On January 02 2012 20:04 sviatoslavrichter wrote: You might be able to fill more stuff in by writing about how the reduction in # of games has affected the relative strengths of players. Maybe having a less intense proleague schedule is the reason why teams are now this close? I actually hadn't really considered this. I'll try to work some stuff in (might be better as a separate article in PL news) but right now I've been writing for 6 hours or so and I've only got the top 5 locked down. And my reasoning still seems somewhat tenuous, but lack of data will do that >< | ||
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