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Interviews - Coach Ju Hoon, Calm, Movie and KT

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rotinegg
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United States1719 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-16 16:08:21
November 15 2011 22:19 GMT
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Coach Ju Hoon: "Watching (Z)Jaedong play purifies my eyes"
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Top Zerg for a reason

Coach Ju Hoon of team 8 could not stifle his awe watching JD play.

After having watched the players of team8 for about 10 days, Coach Ju Hoon says "I don't think they have returned to form yet," but also added that, "there were a few moments when I was completely awe-struck watching JD's play."

Since team8's inception last Friday, it has risen as a hot topic among fans. Coach Ju Hoon, who has been charged with leading the team, gathered the players even before the official announcement to practice for Proleague 11-12, but the players have not yet returned to their peaks.

Even though they have only been practicing for a short while, Coach Ju Hoon was greatly impressed by JD's play. While he was coaching SKTelecom T1, he had watched many [great] Terran and Protoss players, so the Terran and Protoss players of team8 have yet to impress Coach Ju Hoon. However, as far as JD's play goes, he summarized his feelings after watching him play as "if my eye sockets had been purified."

Although SKT1 had some notable Zerg users such as (Z)GoRush, after retiring from coaching 3 years ago in 2008, he has not seen the FPView of progamers. Even when he was a commentator for OGN, the focus was on the flow of the game, so he didn't get a chance to watch the players actually managing their units and macroing up. Even as a commentator, it was difficult to visit a practice facility and watch the players' screen.

After having been charged with coaching team8, he got a chance to be impressed by JD's play. Putting his blazing APM aside, JD manages to control units in 4~5 different places on the map, while not missing a production cycle in his bases. Furthermore, he catches every blip on the minimap, no matter how small, and Ju Hoon said what he felt could only be described as if his eyesockets had been purified.

Coach Ju Hoon says "I am now just starting to realize why JD is the best Zerg to play in BW history." He says "I want to bring out as much of his potential as I can before the season starts to give great viewing pleasure to the fans."

Source: Daily E-sports


KT Rolster: "We will not produce anymore injured (T)Flash's"
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KTRolster forms strategic partnership with Barosun Hospital [Barosun = upstanding]

KTRolster(Manager Kwon Sa Il) has formed a strategic partnership with Barosun Hospital(Headed by Jin Gun Hyung), specializing in spinal and joint treatment.

On the 11th, KTRolster formed a strategic partnership with Barosun, located in Dobong Ku Chang Dong, Seoul, in a ceremony where players such as (P)Reach, (T)Flash and (P)Stats attended.

KT says they pursued the partnership as awareness of the players' health and injuries increased, which was heightened by Flash's surgery, and thought it was necessary provide regular checkups and treatments for its players.

Barosun opened in May, 2005, and specializes in treating and rehabilitating patients with spinal or joint problems. They have participated actively in communal charity events, such as 'Briquets of love' and free health information sessions. Barosun said that, through this partnership, they wanted to help treat and rehabilitate people like progamers who are exposed to risk of injuries from repetitive use of joints.

By partnering with Barosun, KT will be able to take advantage of various services offered, such as regular checkups, injury treatments and meditation [don't ask]. At the end of the ceremony, KT players explored various rehabilitation facilities and workout devices provided by the hospital.

KT's Flash said that "I thank the hospital for partnering up with the progamers' health in mind. I hope this can serve as a chance for other players to be checked up and treat any problems that may be developing prematurely. I will do my best to promote Barosun in return."

Reach said "Repetitive wear on the joints is an occupational hazard for progamers; I think this partnership will be a win-win situation for both parties, as progamers will now have a chance to live a healthier life, and in return, we will promote the hospital."

Source: Daily E-sports


[Twitter Q&A] STX's (Z)Calm: "I feel good when looking in the mirror"
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@rani0213:
You are very quiet on TV, but I heard you are quite the opposite in real life. How do you behave in your dormitory? Do you ever plan on showing your true colors on TV?

Calm: After having been in our dormitory for 7 years, I am now the most senior [not sure if he is the oldest, but he's been there the longest apparently]. Looking back to when I entered as a newbie 7 years ago, I try to live up to how the oldies treated me, but it is a lot of pressure. Through all those years of living together, I learned the importance of teamwork. I feel it is very important for the oldies to listen to and advise the young'ns with anything they may be struggling with. I believe it's called leading through listening. As a senior who is trying to do more listening than talking, I spare words and communicate my thoughts directly.

In our practice facilities and dormitory, I am the most senior, but I guess that doesn't come through on TV. I guess you want me to act cute or do some happy ceremonies [a la firebathero]... But I tend to care about my results greatly so I haven't been able to do much of that in the 10-11 season.

We had a workshop recently and somebody suggested that we as a team should approach our fans more, which I agree with. As the team's big brother, I will be sure to lead by example. You might not see funny, crazy YunHwan, but I will try to smile whenever possible.

@Leeyedawoon:
What do you do on your days off? Also please comment on your good looks in two versions: a more PC version for the public to read, and an honest version.

A: My teammates love running around. So on our off days we just stay and play soccer outside. Sometimes we play ping pong too. Recently, we saw a movie called 'In Time.' It carried the message that time is the most important resource we have, even moreso than money. It was a pleasurable experience.

I always thank my parents when I look in the mirror. They gave me good looks so I don't have to spend money getting plastic surgery. I personally think my piercing eyes are my strongest features. I don't put on makeup but alot of people ask if I do [Lots of male pop stars in Korea put on eyeshadow and mascara to achieve this effect, so it's a compliment, contrary to what many of you would think.]

@Azuray_:
I heard you are amazing at soccer. How would you summarize your strengths in soccer?

A: I have played soccer all my life. My older brother played in a league when he was in elementary school. I practiced alone while waiting for his practices to be over, and as a result, I became one with the ball. I think I played at least 2~3 hours every day. Since I am good at controlling the ball, I play forward where I get a lot of chances to show off my dribbling and shooting skills.

@kbc1335:
Rank your looks in STX.

A: My coaching staff says I am number 1. My coach, assistant coaches and even my head chief, who is good at rating looks, say 'You're the best' [A parody of a recent 2NE1 song 'I'm the best' = 내가 제일 잘나가] I am always thankful for this.

@Azuray_:
If you got a chance to meet up with (P)Kal, who recently entered ACE, what would you want to say?

A: I am older than Kal, and also entered the team about 6 months earlier than him. Because of that, he always followed me like an older brother. Even after I became the oldest in the team, he would still come and joke around with me. After he left, I felt a bit empty and lonely. If he comes out on break and comes to our matches, I will buy him food or drinks. I believe he will fit in great in the army.

@num_32:
Your performance in the 10-11 season didn't really fit your title of STX's ace. What mentality are you approaching this season with? Also, tell me one good thing and bad thing about dormitory life [Oh boy]

A: This season, we don't have Kal on the team. We were called the two-horsed chariot, but after he left I felt the burden from his absence on my shoulders. I didn't perform well in season 10-11, but I think I hit my lowest. In 11-12, I am confident I will perform better, and to do so, I have been practicing very hard during the off-season, so I will restore my faith in my fans as the team's ace.

After having lived in a dormitory for a while, there aren't really any bad things. As my seniority rose, I was treated better and the young'ns follow me quite well. I have been trying to be a good mentor for them as well. We have been establishing a comfortable, family-like environment here. Honestly, because I spend more time with my teammates than with my parents, they feel like my blood-siblings.

@drave13:
Amongst your team members, is there anybody with a peculiar hobby or interest?

A: Not really. Since we all live similar lives on similar schedules, we also share hobbies and interests. If I had to choose, I would think (T)Bogus. He has been watching all the episodes of a recent drama with a pretty actress. I think he is lonely now that he is going through puberty. I guess he is at the age where you want a girlfriend?

@redsheos:
What does cuteness mean with regards to Calm?

A: Nobody on the team calls me cute anymore. I think it's been a few years since I heard somebody call me cute. I'm already 23 years old. I am now an adult that needs to shave to avoid growing facial hair.

@benihil:
What is the one game that you are most proud of?

A: I met (P)Bisu in the 2007 Proleague First Stage. The first set was on Peaks of Baekdu. Most people said I would lose, because he had just gotten famous for crushing Zergs left and right in the GomTV MSL. I studied his play very hard, and beat him after great plays from me. I was so happy that I even performed a ceremony after winning. It was my first time meeting him. Afterwards, I lost alot to him.

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@VKRKO님의 질문입니다:
Along with Kal, you showed poor performance last season. Why do you think so?

A: If I had to give an excuse, it would be the elimination of entry announcements before matches. Every player in Proleague plays as hard as they can. They practice putting everything on the line. In my case, I perform at 120% when I know my opponent beforehand. I check through all their recent games, and come up with counters to their styles. But with the entry announcements gone, I could not study my opponent beforehand. I had to go through all of the players' games now.

That made it much harder for me to practice, and I tried to change up my style, but because the season was in progress, I couldn't adjust. The element that defined me as the brain zerg was gone [he was named brain zerg for his innovative builds]. I need to know everything about the opponent to perform well, so trying to play reactionary starcraft was very difficult. I pressured myself alot because I felt I had become just another Zerg.

@DraGoonHero:
Your favorite nickname? Is it Brain Zerg, or Conan Zerg? [Detective Conan is a famous comic book series in Korea depicting a young, but brilliant, detective who solves impossible cases. He wears big glasses like Calm]

A: I think I like Brain better than Conan. It sounds impressive. I also use my brain alot in real life. My older teammates used to say that I'm clever, or shrewd. Because I know my teammates' styles well, I perform well in intrateam tourneys. I watch VOD's of their games to analyze their playstyles and search for counters to their play. So it takes me a long time to prepare for games. I believe part of the reason for why they called me shrewd was because I put in the time to analyze their play [instead of just relying on game sense and mechanics].

@Be_Ever:
Your play deteriorated from mid-season, but you still performed well in individual leagues. How?

A: Same reasons as above. In individual leagues, I get to know my opponent ahead of time, so it's easy for me to prepare for them specifically. I can't prepare for my proleague opponents, on the otherhand, because I don't know who it will be. I can focus on very specific parts of the game [when preparing for individual league games] so I practice efficiently. That's why my individual league performance remained stellar.

@CrystalTheRain:
Your unit control, macro and decision making is renown, but your results have deteriorated. I feel that it may be because BW is so old and all viable strategies have been explored: what do you think? There are also people saying that because younger players have learned the mechanics for ZvZ and the matchup has become more of a coinflip based on build orders: what are your thoughts?

A: The Zerg race has an innate upper limit. Since Zerg needs to build on creep and can't proxy as a result, it's hard to devise creative builds. It is purely through mechanics and macro that the player wins. I always try to do something unexpected, but in terms of mechanics and macro, you are seeing the upper limit.

I want to explain ZvZ using proportions. Under the assumption that both players are equally skilled, the build with the upperhand has a 9:1 chance of winning. The only external variable is the nervousness of playing on live broadcast. If a player makes a micro mistake, the gap tightens, and at times, the game turns around. That's what's unique about ZvZ. Even if your skills drop, you can beat an S-class zerg through a good build order. The build order advantage is always present.

@ohoh505:
Proleague is about to start: what's your goal for number of wins this season? Also, how possible is it for STX to win this season?

A: My goal is to get in the top 5 wins this season. Please don't think of it as '1 after TBLS'. When I was at my peak, I performed around there. I just want to bring my performance back up to that. STX always has a chance to win. We just haven't been able to perform well during post-season games, but if we can break this jynx, we will be able to win, I believe.

@486202:
Where do you imagine yourself in 10 years? Do you put in a lot of attention to your looks? How is your older brother these days?

A: I hope to be working in the e-sports industry. When I was younger, I wanted to start my own business. If I am not coaching in 10 years, I will be running my own business.

I don't care too much for my looks. I just groom my skin a bit. Because I believe even men should pay attention to their skin, I wash and apply products often. I had alot of acne when I was younger, but after becoming a progamer, it went away [0_o].

My brother has been working after returning from the military.

@SS_Monologuer:
You always earn a seed in individual leagues, but rarely appear in the finals. Why?

A: I've been to the Ro4 often. I remember them very well. I lost to Flash, Jaedong and Fantasy once. I think I was suppressed by their momentum and gameplay each time.

@sususu2:
People say your pictures all look like magazine catalogues; are you sometimes awestruck by how good you look in pictures when you look at them?

A: I always go through all of my pictures once or twice a years. I search my own name and look for stuff. I make a distinction between pictures where I look bad and where I look good, but I've never been awe-struck by any. How can I do that to my own pictures (Laughs). I am always thankful towards the photographers. I want to take this opportunity to show my appreciation for them, and to ask them to continue applying photoshop effects to make my skin glow in the future. [I translated pretty liberally here]

@sususu2:
Do you play SC:BW with your brother?

A: Rarely. My brother asks me to, but I never accept. One time, he was so persistent that we went to a PC room nearby and played. I felt his skill deteriorated alot, so he played zerg and I off-raced as Terran. I lost to him on purpose, but told him "you improved alot" and he seemed very happy. I didn't tell him I lost to him on purpose.

@HaNe_Dreamer:
Excluding yourself, who looks good in real life?

A: (T)Classic looks the best in real life. I know alot of you may think that odd, but if you look at him from the side, you can tell that he will look very good if he just corrected his jaw [a la Mind and Stats]. His skin is flawless: it is clean and white. I am jealous of his skin.

Source: Daily E-sports


CJ Entus' (P)Movie "Slow but steady"
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It's hard to get a feeling of shrewdness from CJ Entus' Movie's looks. His face is round, and his eyes and nose are those of a stereotypical 'nice guy.' His thick-ish lips even exude a sense of clumsiness. Watching him play is even worse: his hands are slow. His hands are slow as hell. Just like his slow hands, and clumsy looks, he is also slow and clumsy in real life [ouch reporter, was this necessary?] However, during his interviews, at least he gets his point across in an articulate manner. He also has a great sense of humor. He is a person that says what he needs to, albeit slowly.

◆Are you surfing the web?
Movie's hands are slow. The average APM for progamers is between 300~400 these days, yet Movie's max APM is 230. That's with all the practice he has put in as a progamer: when he first entered, he had a hard time passing 200.

"When I first entered the CJ B-team lineup, I got yelled at alot for being slow. We had very strict rules, one of which was that if you were caught surfing the web, you would get yelled at to no end, pack your stuff and go home. One day, during the intrateam tournament, Coach Cho came to encourage the B-teamers. Then, he saw me and started running at me, screaming. He said 'Why are you surfing around the web during practice.' Then he saw that I was actually playing a game. He told me to move away from my chair for a bit and checked my other windows with Alt+tab. After seeing that nothing but starcraft was running, I was deemed innocent."

This was what had happened: other players were tapping away on their mouse and keyboard at blazing speed, and their screens were flickering back and forth between different parts of the map. However, Movie was playing so slowly: he only clicked when he needed to, and he pressed his hotkeys relatively peacefully. Coach Cho, having seen this from a far distance, thought he wasn't playing.

"It's understandable. The rate at which I surf the web is not much slower than how fast I play starcraft. I still win though. I don't think your hands need to be overly fast. You just need to issue the precise orders you need."

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◆The forgotten one
Movie is one of the few to go down the legends of CJ's B-team. Along with Zerg user (Z)EffOrt and Terran user (T)sKyHigh, the trio was dubbed the 'Troika' for securing spots in the starting lineup while in the B-team. However, even after having been CJ's ace, Movie is the least popular out of the three. Skyhigh became famous first by reverse-allkilling the Jaedong-led Hwaseung Oz in the 08-09 Winners League Finals, and Effort became famous with his reverse sweep against Flash in the 2010 Korean Air OSL finals. Movie's achievements pale in comparison: he lost to Flash in the 2009 Ever OSL finals, and never ranked in the top 5 most wins for Proleague.

"Everytime there was a critical match that I could use to spread my awareness, I failed. I wasn't able to convert the opportunities. In 2009 at the Ever OSL, I was contender for the trophy, but failed. I knew I would lose at the time, because I was tired from practicing for Proleague at the same time. However, when I actually lost, I was regretful. I lost the will to play and my performance took a nose dive."

During the 10-11 season, he revived with an all-kill in the Winners League. With (P)Horang2 and (P)Snow, he contributed to leading the 13-win streak of the CJ protoss lineup. Due to his efforts, CJ finished second, and got a ticket to the playoffs. However, when faced with another opportunity to raise his popularity, he failed yet again. And he became an enemy-of-state at that.

"During our match with KT, I met Zerg both times. I played against (Z)Action and (Z)HoeJJa. I thought I had a viable strategy for PvZ but I lost both games. Our team lost 0:2 to KT and had to hand over the ticket to the Proleague finals. Reading through the netizens' responses, they called me CJ's enemy-of-state. I despaired at the thought of not having lived up to my fans expectations again.

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◆The lows are there for you to overcome
It's not an exaggeration to say that Movie's life has been riddled with adverse periods. When he was younger, he moved around between Seoul and rural towns, so he has virtually no friends. His parents both worked and had to relocate almost every year. Every time he felt he had made some friends, he would have to pack up again and roamed around like a nomad.

"As I moved around, I learned that everything is not a race. If you have a clear vision of what you want, and work slowly and steadily, you will achieve it some day. I moved between Seoul and Daejon about three times, and finally settled in Deajon. I was able to reconnect with friend I had made previously. After middle school, we didn't move, so we became best friends."

Movie considers getting second in the EVER OSL and the last-minute slump of 10-11 season a trauma he must overcome. He believes that although they are not pleasant memories, he can grow from them.

"I will be a new Movie in the 11-12 season. This is a very important period for me [as a progamer] as well. I am the second-oldest in CJ Entus. I must lead my juniors by example and we have the task of winning Proleague. To take it one step further and become a player that can represent all of e-sports, I must forget the past and move towards a good finish."

Movie came up with a big resolution with the 11-12 season impending. As he is now starting his 5th year as a progamer, he does not want to become a player without even a single league title. He learned alot from watching (P)JangBi win the OSL or KT pull out a dramatic victory in Proleague.

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"I often imagine 'what if I were the one on that stage' or 'what if CJ were the one on that stage.' I often have nightmares about it. It's not all stress, though. I like to think of it as a teaser to the ecstasy I will feel when I finally get to lift the trophy on stage. I will play my soul out to get a taste of that feeling."

Let's all watch Movie, who has slowly treaded his way as a progamer for the past 5 years, achieve his dreams and hopes in the culmination of his career during the 11-12 season.

Source: Daily E-sports
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Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 22:24:33
November 15 2011 22:24 GMT
#2
Not surprising. Watching JD play purifies my dong.

Thanks for the translation!
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 22:33:30
November 15 2011 22:32 GMT
#3
Sometimes when I watch Jaedong play I feel my heartbeat skip and a butterfly escapes my nostrils.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
November 15 2011 22:34 GMT
#4
YEAAAHHHH GOO JAEDONG! This season is yours.
Jaedong.
RJGooner
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2076 Posts
November 15 2011 22:34 GMT
#5
I am literally counting down the days until the Proleague starts.

Thanks a lot for your translation of this article rotinegg
#1 Jaehoon Fan! 김재훈 화팅!
Phyrigian
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
New Zealand1332 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 22:42:32
November 15 2011 22:40 GMT
#6
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pred470r
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Bulgaria3265 Posts
November 15 2011 22:42 GMT
#7
Flash is gonna get his hand treated regularly yay!
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 22:45:36
November 15 2011 22:45 GMT
#8
Is there any news of how Flash is doing in Practice games?

also, obligatory poll ..

*Sniff Sniff*

Poll: Can you smell that??

wlhnsdlkfyesoi34u5o34iu5jt!!~~~~~~~!!! (100)
 
85%

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! (12)
 
10%

Yes! (5)
 
4%

117 total votes

Your vote: Can you smell that??

(Vote): Yes!
(Vote): YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
(Vote): wlhnsdlkfyesoi34u5o34iu5jt!!~~~~~~~!!!



Proleague is near..
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
keiraknightlee
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States301 Posts
November 15 2011 22:50 GMT
#9
More JD-Flash finals anyone?
~~~Happiness. Dreams. Love~~~Good Luck
Double T
Profile Joined May 2011
Poland25 Posts
November 15 2011 22:53 GMT
#10
Thank you for translation!

My, I wander how well will they play once recover their skill.

Also, I wonder how much did they play when still at home?
fortheGG
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1002 Posts
November 15 2011 23:09 GMT
#11
Nice stuff, surprised with the hospital 'partnership'
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
November 15 2011 23:22 GMT
#12
oh god...I need you Jaedong Proleague

hype! get some! thanks for this!!
KTY
chongu
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia2593 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-16 00:55:47
November 15 2011 23:36 GMT
#13
Yearning for some Deathstare vs eye twitch this season : D fap fap fap fap

"I often imagine 'what if I were the one on that stage' or 'what if CJ were the one on that stage.' I often have nightmares about it. It's not all stress, though. I like to think of it as a teaser to the ecstasy I will feel when I finally get to lift the trophy on stage. I will play my soul out to get a taste of that feeling."


OMG Movie fighting!!~~~
SC2 is to BW, what coke is to wine.
chaosTheory_14cc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1270 Posts
November 16 2011 00:29 GMT
#14
The KT hospital partnership is pretty interesting, when you think about it, it's a wonder something like this hadn't happened before.

Thanks for the translations!
kuroshiroi
Profile Joined November 2010
3149 Posts
November 16 2011 00:43 GMT
#15
These random articles are awesome, thanks a lot <3

Calm's attitude on ZvZ is pretty depressing but probably true. The days of JvZ are most likely behind us.
Fly Jaedong, fly!
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 16 2011 00:44 GMT
#16
Thanks for the translations!
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
November 16 2011 00:57 GMT
#17
AWESOME I LOVE TRANSLATIONS SO MUCH AAAAAA
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sheaRZerg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States613 Posts
November 16 2011 01:03 GMT
#18
Pro broodwar players didn't have regular physicals before this?
"Dude, just don't listen to what I say; listen to what I mean." -Sean Plott
BobTheBuilder1377
Profile Joined August 2011
Somalia335 Posts
November 16 2011 01:13 GMT
#19
Poor movie man. Kid really puts in a lot of effort in his play and gets called slow. ._.
Dandy4
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States493 Posts
November 16 2011 01:24 GMT
#20
Finally after months of being starved of Brood War content, it's translations like these, that are getting me hype of this season!!
Who let the dogs out?
Yxes2211
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1587 Posts
November 16 2011 01:40 GMT
#21
Man... I really hope Coach Ju Hoon can revive JD back to bad ass form...
Jaedong and Baby
mapthesoul
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Trinidad/Tobago429 Posts
November 16 2011 01:40 GMT
#22
lol, so many questions about looks in the Calm interview.

+ Show Spoiler +
can't blame 'em
Existential
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2107 Posts
November 16 2011 02:19 GMT
#23
Sweet thanks for the translations. Good to hear that Jaedong has still got it!
Jaedong <3 | BW - The first game I ever loved
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
November 16 2011 02:19 GMT
#24
Oh wow. Maybe you should have posted the Calm/Movie interviews separately, since they're so long. Thank you for your hard work <3

I didn't know that they changed PL so you don't know who you're playing beforehand anymore. I guess that also explains for Fantasy's pretty poor performance. Some guys just really need that specific preparation.

and LOL poor Movie. CJ Coach is kind of crazy though... I mean, who surfs the web at 200 APM?
Writer:o
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
November 16 2011 02:27 GMT
#25
Thanks for the translations and all your hard work rotinegg. Really enjoyed reading Calm and Movie's interviews. It's only through interviews like these that I feel we get a real glimpse into what they're really like.

I don't get it, I mean I want Calm to do better because I like him, but PL hasn't changed, you still don't know who you're coming up against, so how is he going to prepare and do better? He's still going to have to go through/study everyone's videos?

And poor Movie, such a sad tone in his interview. Hope he overcomes his 'traumas' and does well.

Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
November 16 2011 02:42 GMT
#26
Korean society's obsession with looks is depressing.
rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
November 16 2011 03:26 GMT
#27
On November 16 2011 11:42 rift wrote:
Korean society's obsession with looks is depressing.

you haven't even seen their fixation with height: it's 10x worse (at least for guys)
Translator
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-16 03:35:27
November 16 2011 03:31 GMT
#28
Calm is considered good looking in Korea? How can a country that completely nails what makes females look pretty be so off about what's desirable in men?

Damn I knew Move was slow, but I didn't realize he was that slow. Only 230 apm? How in the world is he so good at PvZ?

"I often imagine 'what if I were the one on that stage' or 'what if CJ were the one on that stage.' I often have nightmares about it. It's not all stress, though. I like to think of it as a teaser to the ecstasy I will feel when I finally get to lift the trophy on stage. I will play my soul out to get a taste of that feeling."


It's stuff like this that makes me a Movie fan.
HaruHaru
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States988 Posts
November 16 2011 03:47 GMT
#29
Wow thanks for the translations! these random articles are really interesting. do more!
Long live BroodWar!
Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
November 16 2011 03:52 GMT
#30
Wow 4 articles in one? Spoiled. Thanks very much OP, I don't know how long it'd take to do this, but I figure it'd take a decent amount of time. Very kind of you . Going to read these later tonight~
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Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
November 16 2011 03:53 GMT
#31
These translations are damn good , I had a blast reading through them optical shot thanks for the translation .

Movie : You don't need high apm to play good starcraft , all you need is the right precision control at the moment.


Calm : I am going to be the stx ace in these year proleague 2011-2012


reading these inspires me , having a clear objective of where you want to go and even if you are slow you will get there .... thanks for the opinion movie . I have to rework my self too if that is the case . !
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
November 16 2011 03:55 GMT
#32
On November 16 2011 12:31 red4ce wrote:
Calm is considered good looking in Korea? How can a country that completely nails what makes females look pretty be so off about what's desirable in men?


Calm was gorgeous back when he wore glasses :<

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Now his eyes kind of creep me out. He should put them back on.
Writer:o
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8143 Posts
November 16 2011 03:58 GMT
#33
lol that calm article was both really insightful and super creepy with how many questions there were about looks.
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Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
November 16 2011 04:00 GMT
#34
"I also use my brain alot in real life."
- Clam

I am nothing but impressed with this guy.
Dakkas
Profile Joined October 2010
2550 Posts
November 16 2011 04:27 GMT
#35
God dang Calm, I can't think of him as Clam now after that interview. Not even Bisu gets that many questions about his looks in interviews

And poor Movie, really makes me feel for the guy after he basically choked against Action and Hoejja
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
November 16 2011 04:28 GMT
#36
aweomse translatiions

although i think you made a mistake here

"the trio was dubbed the 'Troy Car'

i tihnk Troy Car is actualyl TROIKA.. haha \

"The general meaning of the Russian and Bulgarian word troika (Russian: тройка, Bulgarian: тройка) is three of a kind, a collection of three or simply the number ..."
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TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
November 16 2011 04:54 GMT
#37
yeah calm's looks must be on everyone's minds. hahaha thinking back on it, i really did like it when he wore glasses... really thanks for the interviews!!!
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conTAgi0n
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States335 Posts
November 16 2011 04:56 GMT
#38
Wow, thanks a ton rotinegg, four-in-one and they're all really interesting reads. Good to hear JD's still godly. Hopefully all the team pal players get back to where they were in time for the first match.

Calm actually had some very insightful things to say, when they weren't asking silly questions about his looks (though for the record he looks a lot better with glasses imo). I do miss the entry announcements before matches. I feel it makes for better games when players know who to prepare for and it's easier to get hyped about a match when you know which players will be facing which ahead of time. I really hope STX pulls things together this season, otherwise they're going to get eaten alive.

I always thought Movie was a pretty suave-looking guy, not sure what the reporter's beef with him is. Didn't realize his APM was that low though, it's impressive he's that good clocking in at 230.
Archers_bane
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1338 Posts
November 16 2011 04:59 GMT
#39
Awww, calm and movie are so nice and seem like genuinely great guys...who can ever hate them! Thanks for the translations, especially for the JD one
Starcraft's BW glory days have passed, RIP Jaedong's dominance - 2013...EDIT 2017: WE BACK BOYS
rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
November 16 2011 05:09 GMT
#40
On November 16 2011 13:28 alffla wrote:
aweomse translatiions

although i think you made a mistake here

Show nested quote +
"the trio was dubbed the 'Troy Car'

i tihnk Troy Car is actualyl TROIKA.. haha \

Show nested quote +
"The general meaning of the Russian and Bulgarian word troika (Russian: тройка, Bulgarian: тройка) is three of a kind, a collection of three or simply the number ..."

Thanks! It's been fixed
Translator
iSometric
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
2221 Posts
November 16 2011 05:14 GMT
#41
Has anyone done an artcle on FBH recently.
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rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
November 16 2011 05:21 GMT
#42
On November 16 2011 14:14 iSometric wrote:
Has anyone done an artcle on FBH recently.

I want to because he is pretty much my favorite character of all time in the esports scene, but there are no articles... T_T Hoping for PL to start and ACE to tear shit up so I can see FBH hipthrusting and crapping on other players :D
Translator
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-16 05:23:23
November 16 2011 05:22 GMT
#43
On November 16 2011 14:21 rotinegg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 14:14 iSometric wrote:
Has anyone done an artcle on FBH recently.

I want to because he is pretty much my favorite character of all time in the esports scene, but there are no articles... T_T Hoping for PL to start and ACE to tear shit up so I can see FBH hipthrusting and crapping on other players :D


We won't be seeing him doing such outrageous ceremonies as long he is on ace sadly T_T and FBH has matured he probably will be doing some other mature ways of ceremonies .
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
November 16 2011 05:24 GMT
#44
On November 16 2011 14:22 Sawamura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 14:21 rotinegg wrote:
On November 16 2011 14:14 iSometric wrote:
Has anyone done an artcle on FBH recently.

I want to because he is pretty much my favorite character of all time in the esports scene, but there are no articles... T_T Hoping for PL to start and ACE to tear shit up so I can see FBH hipthrusting and crapping on other players :D


We won't be seeing him doing such outrageous ceremonies as long he is on ace sadly T_T and FBH has matured he probably will be doing some other mature ways of ceremonies .

you never know man... one can hope right? xD any kind of ceremony or trashtalking is good enough for me haha
Translator
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
November 16 2011 05:32 GMT
#45
On November 16 2011 14:24 rotinegg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 14:22 Sawamura wrote:
On November 16 2011 14:21 rotinegg wrote:
On November 16 2011 14:14 iSometric wrote:
Has anyone done an artcle on FBH recently.

I want to because he is pretty much my favorite character of all time in the esports scene, but there are no articles... T_T Hoping for PL to start and ACE to tear shit up so I can see FBH hipthrusting and crapping on other players :D


We won't be seeing him doing such outrageous ceremonies as long he is on ace sadly T_T and FBH has matured he probably will be doing some other mature ways of ceremonies .

you never know man... one can hope right? xD any kind of ceremony or trashtalking is good enough for me haha


Currently ggaemo has taken the role of trash talker on ace lol , calling out jaedong and saying that he is going to show jaedong , why they call him the jaedong of ace and such . ^^
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
trexbqs
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia1731 Posts
November 16 2011 06:08 GMT
#46
Thanks for translating. I'm really appreciate it.

JD, Flash, Calm & Movie fighting!!!!
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BroodWarHD
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
136 Posts
November 16 2011 06:10 GMT
#47
Wow movie is such a baller. Doing his thing, opening a can of whoop-ass especially in PvZ when it is the most APM intensive matchup for the race, despite the disadvantages it gives him.
SkyLegenD
Profile Joined February 2010
United States304 Posts
November 16 2011 06:23 GMT
#48
I want Movie's shirt
"Victory belongs to the most persevering." - Napoleon Bonaparte
salito
Profile Joined May 2010
1647 Posts
November 16 2011 06:30 GMT
#49
Movie's skin cleared up nicely. Looks like CJ's skin treatment worked out well.

And why is it always protoss players that have low apm?
Nature moves in the shortest way possible.
mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4504 Posts
November 16 2011 07:23 GMT
#50
On November 16 2011 11:27 Hyde wrote:
I don't get it, I mean I want Calm to do better because I like him, but PL hasn't changed, you still don't know who you're coming up against, so how is he going to prepare and do better? He's still going to have to go through/study everyone's videos?

He's been saying this over and over again since Round 5 2009-2010, the nightmare of every STX fan. His practice routine is infamous, but it doesn't really seem to help him anymore, since the formats changed. His glory days are behind him, and I'm pretty sure he will do even worse than last season because of the loss of Kal and the recent Free Agency bullshit. He hasn't been the real Ace of STX for a long while now, but his reputation still lingers because of the great games he's given us.

Thanks for these, man. I'll remember you fondly.
WriterBrows somewhat high. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndFysO2JunE
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
November 16 2011 07:51 GMT
#51
Thanks for translating!
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
BroodWarHD
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
136 Posts
November 16 2011 10:07 GMT
#52
On November 16 2011 16:23 mustaju wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 11:27 Hyde wrote:
I don't get it, I mean I want Calm to do better because I like him, but PL hasn't changed, you still don't know who you're coming up against, so how is he going to prepare and do better? He's still going to have to go through/study everyone's videos?

He's been saying this over and over again since Round 5 2009-2010, the nightmare of every STX fan. His practice routine is infamous, but it doesn't really seem to help him anymore, since the formats changed. His glory days are behind him, and I'm pretty sure he will do even worse than last season because of the loss of Kal and the recent Free Agency bullshit. He hasn't been the real Ace of STX for a long while now, but his reputation still lingers because of the great games he's given us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlmPWSJWxtg&feature=related#t=8m13s
Thanks for these, man. I'll remember you fondly.

what is this, a funeral? Cheer up man, even if Calm ends up with a 50% record again, he will still give us a dozen or more games of opening whoop ass, so the season will be worth it
ImbaTosS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1699 Posts
November 16 2011 10:27 GMT
#53
On November 16 2011 14:24 rotinegg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 14:22 Sawamura wrote:
On November 16 2011 14:21 rotinegg wrote:
On November 16 2011 14:14 iSometric wrote:
Has anyone done an artcle on FBH recently.

I want to because he is pretty much my favorite character of all time in the esports scene, but there are no articles... T_T Hoping for PL to start and ACE to tear shit up so I can see FBH hipthrusting and crapping on other players :D


We won't be seeing him doing such outrageous ceremonies as long he is on ace sadly T_T and FBH has matured he probably will be doing some other mature ways of ceremonies .

you never know man... one can hope right? xD any kind of ceremony or trashtalking is good enough for me haha

There was that fantastic interview where he said something like "During that match I was thinking to myself "How am I so good at Starcraft?". My hands were flying over the keyboard!".

He is just so un-afraid to say "Yes, I am awesome and I know it", which is very cool in interviews.

This interview seemed pretty hard on Movie 0.o I hope he can perform this season. It really stands out in my memory, that game in which he sniped out Jaedong with a FE into 3gate goon build on HBR. What a match that was
EleGant[AoV]
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
November 16 2011 10:28 GMT
#54
lol, i love that calm quote. not entirely unexpected, interchangeable with bisu for sure. haha

excellent. can't wait till season starts =]
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
November 16 2011 11:18 GMT
#55
Calm is so awesome
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tanngard
Profile Joined April 2011
Norway1325 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-16 11:25:10
November 16 2011 11:24 GMT
#56
Movie deserves credit, but it seems he only gets criticism. Movie is definitely one of the most interesting players and there is a lot thought behind his play. Starcraft needs an intelligent player with style like Movie to win a title.

Flashback: Movies manly zealots
Asfano
Profile Joined February 2011
Norway17 Posts
November 16 2011 11:41 GMT
#57
Hoping Jaedong will pull a win :3

Fighting~~!
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Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
November 16 2011 11:43 GMT
#58
On November 16 2011 15:30 salito wrote:
Movie's skin cleared up nicely. Looks like CJ's skin treatment worked out well.

And why is it always protoss players that have low apm?


(Z)sAviOr had low apm too and he was unstoppable back than grand master of strategy <3
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25657 Posts
November 16 2011 11:54 GMT
#59
Jaedong purifies my eyes as well when i see him play <3
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
November 16 2011 11:55 GMT
#60
Awesome, awesome stuff! Thanks a lot for this!
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
leo23
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3075 Posts
November 16 2011 12:01 GMT
#61
+ Show Spoiler +
Furthermore, he catches every blip on the minimap, no matter how small, and Ju Hoon said what he felt could only be described as if his eyesockets had been purified.


jaedong purifies my brain with his play
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Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
November 16 2011 12:19 GMT
#62
<3 Jaedong

Thanks for the translation(s)
garlicface
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada4196 Posts
November 16 2011 12:46 GMT
#63
hahahahaha Bogus going through puberty? Clam with a good sense of humour.
#TeamBuLba
Keone
Profile Joined April 2011
United States812 Posts
November 16 2011 12:49 GMT
#64
I LOVE BW NEWS

thank you SO much for the translations! This already made me so much happier =D
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mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4504 Posts
November 16 2011 12:59 GMT
#65
On November 16 2011 19:07 BroodWarHD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 16:23 mustaju wrote:
On November 16 2011 11:27 Hyde wrote:
I don't get it, I mean I want Calm to do better because I like him, but PL hasn't changed, you still don't know who you're coming up against, so how is he going to prepare and do better? He's still going to have to go through/study everyone's videos?

He's been saying this over and over again since Round 5 2009-2010, the nightmare of every STX fan. His practice routine is infamous, but it doesn't really seem to help him anymore, since the formats changed. His glory days are behind him, and I'm pretty sure he will do even worse than last season because of the loss of Kal and the recent Free Agency bullshit. He hasn't been the real Ace of STX for a long while now, but his reputation still lingers because of the great games he's given us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlmPWSJWxtg&feature=related#t=8m13s
Thanks for these, man. I'll remember you fondly.

what is this, a funeral? Cheer up man, even if Calm ends up with a 50% record again, he will still give us a dozen or more games of opening whoop ass, so the season will be worth it

With the quality of opponents having improved and him being below 50% last time, I don't see that happening, actually. Consider that Calm was not played for a lot of rounds 5&6. The above things considered, he's more than likely done with.
WriterBrows somewhat high. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndFysO2JunE
Nyarly
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1030 Posts
November 16 2011 13:18 GMT
#66
I'm impressed of him not knowing he would be impressed by watching jaedong play.

Nice interviews :D
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
November 16 2011 13:21 GMT
#67
Thanks for the interviews! Great read.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
November 16 2011 13:28 GMT
#68
Oh Movie, we love you, don't worry man, you got this.
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khaosis
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada96 Posts
November 16 2011 15:02 GMT
#69
Calm seems almost a bit, "tired"? The man is past his prime for sure, but I still feel like he could make some kind of impact. The story about JD is impressive as hell though, can't wait for PL to see how he does.
Alea Iacta Est
slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
November 16 2011 15:50 GMT
#70
wait wtf, clam doesn't wear a cake-ton of make-up??? I could have swore he did...
thanks for the interviews!
jaedong imba
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
November 16 2011 17:42 GMT
#71
I seriously wish ZvZ could be more... we know the potential of hive tech. The dynamic of queen & broodling vs lurker/swarm and ultra lategame is really interesting. I've often thought about changes that could allow it without affecting anything else, the one that came to mind mostly was upgrading spore damage to increase the possibility (maybe range slightly too?) of defensive teching to Hive. It wouldn't really matter in vP or vT even if it was quite a significant buff.

Or is there a map design anyone can think of which would allow it but not fuck up the other matchups? How about have the main creep extend to the ramp in a strange main shape. So when you hatch at nat, creep is all the way to your main and you can defend with sunk/spore over the small area much easier. I was thinking parallel mineral lines for the main with the backdoor base prehaps too. Like the backdoor is on higher ground, then min lines fairly close to be covered all together by 4 spore.
Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
November 16 2011 17:49 GMT
#72
Calm, the senior, loving, sexy, soccer master, energetic older brother

I feel good when i see you in the mirror too calm

<3<3<3
▲ ▲ ▲
Quasimoto3000
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States471 Posts
November 16 2011 17:51 GMT
#73
Thats my dong! =]

Cant wait to see him play again!
Every sunday a nun lays from my gunplay
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
November 16 2011 17:56 GMT
#74
On November 17 2011 02:42 infinity2k9 wrote:
I seriously wish ZvZ could be more... we know the potential of hive tech. The dynamic of queen & broodling vs lurker/swarm and ultra lategame is really interesting. I've often thought about changes that could allow it without affecting anything else, the one that came to mind mostly was upgrading spore damage to increase the possibility (maybe range slightly too?) of defensive teching to Hive. It wouldn't really matter in vP or vT even if it was quite a significant buff.

Or is there a map design anyone can think of which would allow it but not fuck up the other matchups? How about have the main creep extend to the ramp in a strange main shape. So when you hatch at nat, creep is all the way to your main and you can defend with sunk/spore over the small area much easier. I was thinking parallel mineral lines for the main with the backdoor base prehaps too. Like the backdoor is on higher ground, then min lines fairly close to be covered all together by 4 spore.

The problem isn't that spores aren't strong enough, it's that hive tech takes a long time to get to. If you are going evenly with the muta ling stage, then switching to hive tech means that your opponent can expand and just get slightly slower hive tech but with an expansion bonus. Thus I think a possible solution (tho it wouldn't be good for other matchups) is a two player map with just a main and a natural, and every other expo is an island. That way it is difficult to take a third and you're more encouraged to get hive because speedlords are really the only way you're doing to get another base.

Great and Zero are working on making it working and looking for the correct timings to get to hive, but there is little motivation for others to follow suit because muta/ling is still so strong. It will take a revolution in thought to make players want to tech to hive when they are competitive with muta/ling.
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rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
November 16 2011 18:13 GMT
#75
lol, the titles are so unfair to Calm
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hellbound
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2242 Posts
November 16 2011 18:48 GMT
#76
Stop picking on Movie damnit.
catleaves
Profile Joined December 2010
United States506 Posts
November 16 2011 18:53 GMT
#77
awesome interviews! thank you for the translations! :D
^^
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
November 16 2011 19:04 GMT
#78
Great translations, so much content! Thanks, I needed this. Can't wait to see Team 8 in action.

On November 16 2011 12:26 rotinegg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 11:42 rift wrote:
Korean society's obsession with looks is depressing.

you haven't even seen their fixation with height: it's 10x worse (at least for guys)


I remember that 'LOSER' scandal, wasn't it that you had to be 180cm or else you're a 'loser'? That's pretty harsh considering 174cm is the average adult male height there.
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
November 16 2011 19:17 GMT
#79
On November 17 2011 02:56 Chef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 02:42 infinity2k9 wrote:
I seriously wish ZvZ could be more... we know the potential of hive tech. The dynamic of queen & broodling vs lurker/swarm and ultra lategame is really interesting. I've often thought about changes that could allow it without affecting anything else, the one that came to mind mostly was upgrading spore damage to increase the possibility (maybe range slightly too?) of defensive teching to Hive. It wouldn't really matter in vP or vT even if it was quite a significant buff.

Or is there a map design anyone can think of which would allow it but not fuck up the other matchups? How about have the main creep extend to the ramp in a strange main shape. So when you hatch at nat, creep is all the way to your main and you can defend with sunk/spore over the small area much easier. I was thinking parallel mineral lines for the main with the backdoor base prehaps too. Like the backdoor is on higher ground, then min lines fairly close to be covered all together by 4 spore.

The problem isn't that spores aren't strong enough, it's that hive tech takes a long time to get to. If you are going evenly with the muta ling stage, then switching to hive tech means that your opponent can expand and just get slightly slower hive tech but with an expansion bonus. Thus I think a possible solution (tho it wouldn't be good for other matchups) is a two player map with just a main and a natural, and every other expo is an island. That way it is difficult to take a third and you're more encouraged to get hive because speedlords are really the only way you're doing to get another base.

Great and Zero are working on making it working and looking for the correct timings to get to hive, but there is little motivation for others to follow suit because muta/ling is still so strong. It will take a revolution in thought to make players want to tech to hive when they are competitive with muta/ling.


very interesting idea. island maps WOUld be really cool in zvz.
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a9arnn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1537 Posts
November 16 2011 19:24 GMT
#80
Thanks for the translations :D!
I feel kinda bad for Movie D:... but I think he's amazing, hopefully he'll do well next season :D!!!
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Crais
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2136 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-16 19:31:48
November 16 2011 19:31 GMT
#81
So excited for the new season. MBC...errrr team 8 fighting!

Edit: Many thanks for the translations!
RIP MBC Game Hero
rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
November 16 2011 19:38 GMT
#82
On November 17 2011 04:04 Hinanawi wrote:
Great translations, so much content! Thanks, I needed this. Can't wait to see Team 8 in action.

Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 12:26 rotinegg wrote:
On November 16 2011 11:42 rift wrote:
Korean society's obsession with looks is depressing.

you haven't even seen their fixation with height: it's 10x worse (at least for guys)


I remember that 'LOSER' scandal, wasn't it that you had to be 180cm or else you're a 'loser'? That's pretty harsh considering 174cm is the average adult male height there.

yea that's still kinda going on... guys who aren't 180cm pretty much have really low self esteem and hate the world lol
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hellbound
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2242 Posts
November 16 2011 20:04 GMT
#83
On November 17 2011 04:38 rotinegg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 04:04 Hinanawi wrote:
Great translations, so much content! Thanks, I needed this. Can't wait to see Team 8 in action.

On November 16 2011 12:26 rotinegg wrote:
On November 16 2011 11:42 rift wrote:
Korean society's obsession with looks is depressing.

you haven't even seen their fixation with height: it's 10x worse (at least for guys)


I remember that 'LOSER' scandal, wasn't it that you had to be 180cm or else you're a 'loser'? That's pretty harsh considering 174cm is the average adult male height there.

yea that's still kinda going on... guys who aren't 180cm pretty much have really low self esteem and hate the world lol


That's more than half of the male population, a bit hard to believe all of them agonize about it so much.
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
November 16 2011 20:04 GMT
#84
Many thanks for the translations. It's great to get a glimpse into what they are saying to their (Korean) fans!
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Canadium
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada171 Posts
November 16 2011 20:54 GMT
#85
<3 you Movie.... and holy hell maybe it's the translation but damn that interviewer gotta ease up on that boy.
"You just need to issue the precise orders you need."
Well said Movie.... Well said.
You better run Charles....
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
November 16 2011 21:23 GMT
#86
Jaedong so awesome

Movie's article was kinda heartwarming and sad...
Jaedong :3
Fatze
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Germany1342 Posts
November 16 2011 22:49 GMT
#87
thx for sharing
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Suvorov
Profile Joined December 2010
294 Posts
November 16 2011 23:06 GMT
#88
What the hell...can someone please explain why a big part of the article focuses on how CALM sees himself physically and whether or not he's the most 'handsome' guy in the team?

WTF, is this a scbw progaming team or korea's top model tv-show?
If you label every single aggressive strategy 'cheese', you are officially declaring yourself an incurable mental retard.
Caos2
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1728 Posts
November 16 2011 23:06 GMT
#89
All the news bits are exciting, BW is finally back!
Jeremy Reimer
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada1059 Posts
November 16 2011 23:12 GMT
#90
Thanks so much for the translation! I love the bits about Jaedong and Movie.

I want to purify my eyes too! Bring on Proleague!
"Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere." -- Carl Sagan
EndlessPain
Profile Joined June 2010
France156 Posts
November 16 2011 23:20 GMT
#91
Thanks a lot for these translations !
blueblimp
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada297 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 00:32:07
November 17 2011 00:31 GMT
#92
Really nice interviews with Movie and Calm. I'd love to see an FPVOD of Movie.

On November 17 2011 02:42 infinity2k9 wrote:
I seriously wish ZvZ could be more... we know the potential of hive tech. The dynamic of queen & broodling vs lurker/swarm and ultra lategame is really interesting. I've often thought about changes that could allow it without affecting anything else, the one that came to mind mostly was upgrading spore damage to increase the possibility (maybe range slightly too?) of defensive teching to Hive. It wouldn't really matter in vP or vT even if it was quite a significant buff.

Or is there a map design anyone can think of which would allow it but not fuck up the other matchups? How about have the main creep extend to the ramp in a strange main shape. So when you hatch at nat, creep is all the way to your main and you can defend with sunk/spore over the small area much easier. I was thinking parallel mineral lines for the main with the backdoor base prehaps too. Like the backdoor is on higher ground, then min lines fairly close to be covered all together by 4 spore.


Something I'd be curious to see is a map with no gas at the main but two gasses at the natural. I think we'd see a lot of 12 hatch vs 12 hatch games in ZvZ, which leads to a high-econ situation, which makes tech more viable. It would do strange things to the other matchups but hopefully not TOO strange since FE builds could still get gas fairly quickly.
DisaFear
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia4074 Posts
November 17 2011 00:35 GMT
#93
Great stuff, Jaedong
Felt sorry for Movie, haha. Seems like a nice guy
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Dreamer.T
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3584 Posts
November 17 2011 01:05 GMT
#94
I've felt what Coach Hoon feels the first time I set eyes on the kid. Over the years, he has awed me non-stop.
Forever the best, IMMvp <3
Soap
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil1546 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 01:42:31
November 17 2011 01:38 GMT
#95
There are a few FPVODs of Jaedong on Youtube, I downloaded one right after watching it. You'll never watch the player streams here the same way.

On November 17 2011 04:38 rotinegg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 04:04 Hinanawi wrote:
Great translations, so much content! Thanks, I needed this. Can't wait to see Team 8 in action.

On November 16 2011 12:26 rotinegg wrote:
On November 16 2011 11:42 rift wrote:
Korean society's obsession with looks is depressing.

you haven't even seen their fixation with height: it's 10x worse (at least for guys)


I remember that 'LOSER' scandal, wasn't it that you had to be 180cm or else you're a 'loser'? That's pretty harsh considering 174cm is the average adult male height there.

yea that's still kinda going on... guys who aren't 180cm pretty much have really low self esteem and hate the world lol


Damn, I love BW and korean women and I'm 182cm tall. But there's racism and I wasn't born korean because that would be imba :p
blueblimp
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada297 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 02:42:53
November 17 2011 02:37 GMT
#96
On November 17 2011 09:31 blueblimp wrote:
Something I'd be curious to see is a map with no gas at the main but two gasses at the natural. I think we'd see a lot of 12 hatch vs 12 hatch games in ZvZ, which leads to a high-econ situation, which makes tech more viable. It would do strange things to the other matchups but hopefully not TOO strange since FE builds could still get gas fairly quickly.


Or less drastically, put one gas in the main, two in the natural, but limit the main gas to only a small total amount (1000?)--enough to comfortably take your natural in all match-ups, but not enough to one base in ZvZ.

Edit: Another thing that could be done is positioning a 3rd gas base such that its minerals and gas can be (mostly) covered by spores in the main. This allows a ZvZ turtler to more easily obtain a 3rd base, although the spore defense may need some support from mutaling and/or hydras.
Rinrun
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada3509 Posts
November 17 2011 02:44 GMT
#97
Awesome reads. Oh clam, I'm quoting you.
MBC/Liquid/TSM always.
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
November 17 2011 05:48 GMT
#98
My eyes are constantly being purified by JD's fpvods. That's why i don't need glasses!
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
November 17 2011 05:57 GMT
#99
How come Coach Cho is surprised by Movie's slow hands ? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't he the coach of the first Zerg Bonjwa who had a relatively low apm too ?
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Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
November 17 2011 06:00 GMT
#100
On November 17 2011 14:57 endy wrote:
How come Coach Cho is surprised by Movie's slow hands ? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't he the coach of the first Zerg Bonjwa who had a relatively low apm too ?


exactly savior had low apm too, why pick on movie coach cho !
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rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
November 17 2011 06:05 GMT
#101
On November 17 2011 15:00 Sawamura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 14:57 endy wrote:
How come Coach Cho is surprised by Movie's slow hands ? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't he the coach of the first Zerg Bonjwa who had a relatively low apm too ?


exactly savior had low apm too, why pick on movie coach cho !

savior has like 250 i think... movie had well below 200 on average
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endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
November 17 2011 06:11 GMT
#102
On November 17 2011 15:05 rotinegg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 15:00 Sawamura wrote:
On November 17 2011 14:57 endy wrote:
How come Coach Cho is surprised by Movie's slow hands ? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't he the coach of the first Zerg Bonjwa who had a relatively low apm too ?


exactly savior had low apm too, why pick on movie coach cho !

savior has like 250 i think... movie had well below 200 on average


The average APM of my huge bank of replays in BW Chart is 238 for sAviOr, 217 for Movie.
I have some sAviOr vs Movie games with both players having 210 APM, if it wasn't the names I would think from BW Chart that it's a C rank replay haha.

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rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
November 17 2011 06:13 GMT
#103
On November 17 2011 15:11 endy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 15:05 rotinegg wrote:
On November 17 2011 15:00 Sawamura wrote:
On November 17 2011 14:57 endy wrote:
How come Coach Cho is surprised by Movie's slow hands ? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't he the coach of the first Zerg Bonjwa who had a relatively low apm too ?


exactly savior had low apm too, why pick on movie coach cho !

savior has like 250 i think... movie had well below 200 on average


The average APM of my huge bank of replays in BW Chart is 238 for sAviOr, 217 for Movie.
I have some sAviOr vs Movie games with both players having 210 APM, if it wasn't the names I would think from BW Chart that it's a C rank replay haha.


the interview says movie had a hard time maxing out at 200 when he first entered, let alone averaging 200
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Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
November 17 2011 06:28 GMT
#104
On November 17 2011 15:05 rotinegg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 15:00 Sawamura wrote:
On November 17 2011 14:57 endy wrote:
How come Coach Cho is surprised by Movie's slow hands ? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't he the coach of the first Zerg Bonjwa who had a relatively low apm too ?


exactly savior had low apm too, why pick on movie coach cho !

savior has like 250 i think... movie had well below 200 on average

Shy is another super low apm protoss.

He's around Movie level in APM too last I checked.
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GG_NO_RE
Profile Joined October 2009
Japan238 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 06:41:58
November 17 2011 06:41 GMT
#105
wow movie's skin cleared up quite a lot

and lol @ the CJ strictness with other browser windows
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
November 17 2011 06:41 GMT
#106
On November 17 2011 15:13 rotinegg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 15:11 endy wrote:
On November 17 2011 15:05 rotinegg wrote:
On November 17 2011 15:00 Sawamura wrote:
On November 17 2011 14:57 endy wrote:
How come Coach Cho is surprised by Movie's slow hands ? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't he the coach of the first Zerg Bonjwa who had a relatively low apm too ?


exactly savior had low apm too, why pick on movie coach cho !

savior has like 250 i think... movie had well below 200 on average


The average APM of my huge bank of replays in BW Chart is 238 for sAviOr, 217 for Movie.
I have some sAviOr vs Movie games with both players having 210 APM, if it wasn't the names I would think from BW Chart that it's a C rank replay haha.


the interview says movie had a hard time maxing out at 200 when he first entered, let alone averaging 200


Yeah, I know. The point of my original post was that when one has coached a low APM Zerg that became a Bonjwa, one shouldn't get angry at a Protoss with a little lower APM.

But it's also true that the coach must make sure a newly recruited B-teamer works his ass off, and also that in modern BW, APM is more important than before (read sAviOr era).
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
November 17 2011 07:02 GMT
#107
LOL. My eyes would be purified to if I got to watch jaedong in person rofl :D.
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Mobius_1
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2763 Posts
November 17 2011 08:03 GMT
#108
When Bisu looks in the mirror it cracks because reflecting his handsomeness is the divide by zero of the mirror world.
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Kimaker
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2131 Posts
November 17 2011 08:52 GMT
#109
CJ fighting! I feel for Movie, there are so many brilliant moments in his play that remember, particularly from his OSL run, or in and around that era.

His cannon in against...gogo or Hiya, he targets his own cannons so that the Terran can't get vision, his wtf Storm drops against Z, game 1 and 3 against Flash, the kid just has moments of absolute raw awesome that shined through. I've always thought on a strategic level he was more impressive than Snow, just that he failed mechanically, well I guess I now know why I felt that way xD

Hope he does better.

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Jongl0
Profile Joined June 2011
631 Posts
November 21 2011 16:25 GMT
#110
Thanks a lot for translating.
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