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Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
October 24 2011 18:23 GMT
#61
...Well this sucks. :[
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ImbaTosS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1696 Posts
October 24 2011 18:23 GMT
#62
You know what they should do? Pay rookies a better goddamn wage. This just reinforces the fact that lower level players on the teams just aren't treated well enough. If they were paid a little better, this would never have happened.
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xBillehx
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1289 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-24 18:25:10
October 24 2011 18:24 GMT
#63
:\ I hope this isn't true. If it is though I don't think it's as big as Savior since it's not affecting the integrity of the professional scene. Unfortunately this might be really bad for Reality and TurN though.
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Skeggaba
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Korea (South)1556 Posts
October 24 2011 18:27 GMT
#64
Horrible. What is up with all this match fixing?!?!
Bisu[about JD]=I was scared (laughs). The force emanating from his facial expression was so manly that I was even a little jealous.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-24 18:28:36
October 24 2011 18:27 GMT
#65
What exactly does substituting amateur players mean? Were the games played online as opposed to in person?


On October 25 2011 03:23 ImbaTosS wrote:
You know what they should do? Pay rookies a better goddamn wage. This just reinforces the fact that lower level players on the teams just aren't treated well enough. If they were paid a little better, this would never have happened.


Are you kidding? You're making excuses for them T_T. Why would you possibly play them more if they're worth zero value to the company sponsoring? It's not like they aren't already getting free rent.
Ozarugold
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
2716 Posts
October 24 2011 18:27 GMT
#66
Are you serious?! This is ridiculous...I don't know what to say...
this is my quote.
pred470r
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Bulgaria3265 Posts
October 24 2011 18:30 GMT
#67
Thought they would have known better than not the cheat. Fucking stupid, they should get banned by Kespa immediately if this proves to be true.
TheShimmy
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1808 Posts
October 24 2011 18:33 GMT
#68
Mannnnnnnnnnn...
The cancer killing BW keeps growing

BW foreverrrrrrr
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Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
October 24 2011 18:35 GMT
#69
On October 25 2011 03:23 ImbaTosS wrote:
You know what they should do? Pay rookies a better goddamn wage. This just reinforces the fact that lower level players on the teams just aren't treated well enough. If they were paid a little better, this would never have happened.


As much as I feel sympathy for low level players, that's really not how you run a business, or a team. It SHOULD be "Play better and we'll pay you more," and not "Pay us more or we'll resort to cheating." Look at Stats, he put out good results and pulled through when it mattered in the SPL finals and his salary was doubled. I'm sure even rookies can earn their raises with good play; I imagine Sun got some boost in salary after pulling his weight in proleague and all-killing Oz in the STX masters cup finals.
Writer:o
deafhobbit
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States828 Posts
October 24 2011 18:36 GMT
#70
This isn't match fixing, but it's still shitty.
I cheer for underdogs and Flash
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66356 Posts
October 24 2011 18:36 GMT
#71
wait, reality and turn?


FUCK. seriously....

at least they aren't involved in actual match fixing or betting (supposedly, as of now), and only fake substitution (which is a much much less serious case, i believe it to be anw)
POGGERS
MVBasten
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway37 Posts
October 24 2011 18:36 GMT
#72
Is Broodwar betting mostly underground, or is it legitimate bookmakers that take bets? I ask because as of now in SC2 betting scandals would not be (much of) an issue, due to bookmakers having very strict limits on how much you can bet, and the amounts you possibly could win is just way too small to be worth even considering, unless its a large scale operation with many players working together.

I'm also quite a bit confused about the part with "a betting company behind the whole situation". I have quite a bit of knowledge of how the betting world works, and it sounds really strange if a legitimate bookmaker (a registered company) would actually involve themselves in such affairs. If that was the case I imagine that it would actually be really easy to spot by them offering a clear market leading odds on the fixed matches, trying to sway the bettors to heavily weigh the collected stakes on one side.

A normal bookmaker doesn't actually play "against" their players, they try to provide and tweak the odds so that the collected stakes are spread as evenly as possible over every possible outcome of a single match. What they make in profit is then the "juice" they shave off the odds, giving them a guaranteed profit regardless of outcome of the match. For example a match where both players have 50% chance to win, instead of offering even odds on both sides they will offer something like 1,90 decimal odds on each side, giving them a 5% profit of the total stake regardless of result (given exactly even stake on each outcome).

If this was an underground bookmaker (not a registered company), I think it's much more likely they could be involved in foul play. However my guess would be that the betting company that is talked about here is more a betting syndicate, which would be more like an organized crime organization than a company. However that is just purely speculation from my side, based on experience with match fixing in bigger sports.
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
October 24 2011 18:37 GMT
#73
Omg not again, you'd think people would learn
TheGlassface
Profile Joined November 2010
United States612 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-24 18:38:36
October 24 2011 18:38 GMT
#74
On October 25 2011 03:35 seraphe wrote:
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On October 25 2011 03:23 ImbaTosS wrote:
You know what they should do? Pay rookies a better goddamn wage. This just reinforces the fact that lower level players on the teams just aren't treated well enough. If they were paid a little better, this would never have happened.


As much as I feel sympathy for low level players, that's really not how you run a business, or a team. It SHOULD be "Play better and we'll pay you more," and not "Pay us more or we'll resort to cheating." Look at Stats, he put out good results and pulled through when it mattered in the SPL finals and his salary was doubled. I'm sure even rookies can earn their raises with good play; I imagine Sun got some boost in salary after pulling his weight in proleague and all-killing Oz in the STX masters cup finals.


I'm pretty certain Alex Rodriguez makes more money than 50% of the Major Leagues. Let's not get started in the rookie leagues.

This is how sports are done.

Edit : totally misread the post, so just consider what I'm saying in accordance please.
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bLah.
Profile Joined July 2009
Croatia497 Posts
October 24 2011 18:43 GMT
#75
This just shows how there isn't any real money in BW unless you're on the very top level. cmon, risking whole career, being involved in a scam etc and money involved is just about 10k$ :/
ZOMGitsTHEEND
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada202 Posts
October 24 2011 18:43 GMT
#76
yea this isnt really match fixing but its still really bad
chaosTheory_14cc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1270 Posts
October 24 2011 18:44 GMT
#77
Wow, this is unfortunate news. Hopefully everything will resolve nicely.
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
October 24 2011 18:45 GMT
#78
On October 25 2011 03:36 MVBasten wrote:
Is Broodwar betting mostly underground, or is it legitimate bookmakers that take bets?


i could bet osl/proleague playoff games on pinnacle. i wouldn't, as i can get better lines p2p. i doubt that any legit bookmaker would actually offer lines on the competition in question in the OP
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Brad`
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada548 Posts
October 24 2011 18:48 GMT
#79
How is smurfing in some amateur clanwar matchfixing?
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
October 24 2011 18:48 GMT
#80
Pretty sure it was scan smurfing.
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