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It was inevitable, this is far from shocking. Kespa recognizes SC2 is the future of esports, and has to get a foot in the door before the game takes over in Korea (which is still 2-3 years away). From a competition perspective they don't have much to worry about. I think GOM runs a great tournament, but it's not on television and gets away with a lot of stuff because it's the only tournament available for Koreans. Just as the IPL will challenge MLG in the US/foreigner market, I think an OSL proleague could do the same for GOM. They'd be forced to improve. Given GOM's close relationship with Blizzard, I wonder if they could manage to get financed to get on television as well.
I hope GSL and a proleague can live side by side. It will grow the scene immensely. Right now there are many great players who are good enough to be in Code S, but can't get in due to the tough path. They play a few Code A or B matches, get cheesed, and can't do much but practice for the next two months. Another league would allow a host of these players to get some recognition, money, experience, etc. It would also ensure more teams are created, and that some teams are saved.
The most interesting thing about this imo: will Kespa be as friendly to the foreigner community as GOM has been? From a business perspective it would be in Kespa's best interest to have foreigners in their league, and maybe they'll agree to some type of exchange program as GOM has with MLG. I think it would make a lot of sense for Kespa/OSL to join with IPL. Both companies are well funded and professional, they've got a lot of money, and could benefit each other greatly. So the top foreigner finisher could be sent to Korea and participate alongside other foreigners on a team similar to F.United in the GSTL.
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Damnit. I wanted SC1 and SC2 to be seperate.
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On October 20 2011 04:35 antilyon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 04:32 TheGlassface wrote:On October 20 2011 04:27 NYAH_NYAH wrote:On October 20 2011 04:20 Vuk_91 wrote:On October 20 2011 03:54 TheGlassface wrote:
14 pages and so many topics and no one gets it.
We BW fans are becoming marginalized at every step. Of course we're going to be in defensive postures.
This website is clearly more focused on SCII than BW
The majority of us speak English and the English speaking world is clearly more focused on SCII.
Hell, we can't even watch our games in English or read about them in English.
Our player roster is being marginalized as more and more B teamers and old Bonjwas go over.
In almost every global event, BW is being marginalized if not cut right out.
Our forum here is a constant battleground, as we now are about 1/2 of the poster count
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So...yea, now you're telling me that my PL is "meshing," with SCII?
I was more than fine with my game, my PL and my website. I have none of these things now, as they were.
I, of all people, don't want to start the war here but the fact is this is why we get pissy. Every, single, time.
Just try and think from our side next time you want to come in here and post like villageidiot or any of his ilk. We don't care that you like your game, we want you to enjoy it. We just want what once was back or at the very least to stop being squeezed in and nudged over to make room for the new puppy.
So, while you see it is "cooperation," and "sharing," we see it as just another in a long line of unfortunate events that continue to shrink and mold our sport alongside something it is not, taking away fans, airtime and players.
Either way, thank you for the news OP. It's always nice to know what is going on in the scene. Thank you. Fans of Brood War need to realize that the only thing that can come out of this is SC2 slowly taking media space from BroodWar and eventually killing it. And one more thing: Why are they even trying to combine this two games,except for name of the game and few units with same name they don`t have anything in common. Mechanics and gameplay is TOTALLY different. Blizzard is making tons of money from SC2 just just because it is sequel to Brood War,and now Kespa (or whoever it is) is trying to do the same. You say it is a great game,you say it`s better then Brood War? Fine. Start from 0 like Brood War did and then come to me in 10 years and we`ll see where will your game be then. It`s pretty easy to just take over from Brood War. But also it`s pretty unjust. You guys should really stop being so bitter. Evolution cannot be stopped no matter how much you like or dislike it. Terrible name/post count aside, what are you even trying to say with that statement? He's just being a prick. He should've stopped here:"You guys should really stop being so bitter."
What's bitter about us wanting the game - which we grew up with and loved - to remain as it is?? SC2 fans are so quick to jump onto BW fans about being bitter when they'd do the same thing. What if company of heroes was taking over the SC2 scene and SC2 leagues were being shut down, collapsed, etc? Are you telling me it's okay for COH fans to say "Oh suck it up, times have changed" and you'd just be okay with that? You wouldn't argue with COH fans that SC2 is SC2 and that you love SC2 and not COH?
Sure a lot of people are super harsh and judgemental and want all SC2 players to bury themselves in a hole, but keep in mind that 90% of the people that love BW don't really care what happens to SC2, succeed or fail, as long as BW continues to be BW. Keep in mind that we are glad you enjoy your game, we want you to love your game like we do ours, and we don't like it when you think we should stfu and let our game become your game.
You guys have your vocal minority of people who go into BW threads and go "lolololo shitty graphics terrible gameplay 10 years old fail" and we have our vocal minority that go into SC2 threads and go "automine mbs smart casting game for idiots lolol ezmode"
Don't let people like that define fans of either game. There's no reason for BW to shut down, there's no reason for SC2 to fail. People should stop focusing on what game should/shouldn't exist and they should start focusing on enjoying the game they love.
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Guys remember, BLIZZARD has rights to SC2, so if KESPA goes out of control, BLIZZARD can and WILL stop them. EZ as that.
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This is good.
Why fight it when it's easier to become it?
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On October 20 2011 04:46 PhoenixDark wrote:
It was inevitable, this is far from shocking. Kespa recognizes SC2 is the future of esports, and has to get a foot in the door before the game takes over in Korea (which is still 2-3 years away). From a competition perspective they don't have much to worry about. I think GOM runs a great tournament, but it's not on television and gets away with a lot of stuff because it's the only tournament available for Koreans. Just as the IPL will challenge MLG in the US/foreigner market, I think an OSL proleague could do the same for GOM. They'd be forced to improve. Given GOM's close relationship with Blizzard, I wonder if they could manage to get financed to get on television as well.
I hope GSL and a proleague can live side by side. It will grow the scene immensely. Right now there are many great players who are good enough to be in Code S, but can't get in due to the tough path. They play a few Code A or B matches, get cheesed, and can't do much but practice for the next two months. Another league would allow a host of these players to get some recognition, money, experience, etc. It would also ensure more teams are created, and that some teams are saved.
The most interesting thing about this imo: will Kespa be as friendly to the foreigner community as GOM has been? From a business perspective it would be in Kespa's best interest to have foreigners in their league, and maybe they'll agree to some type of exchange program as GOM has with MLG. I think it would make a lot of sense for Kespa/OSL to join with IPL. Both companies are well funded and professional, they've got a lot of money, and could benefit each other greatly. So the top foreigner finisher could be sent to Korea and participate alongside other foreigners on a team similar to F.United in the GSTL.
thats flat out wrong
GSL is on TV
http://www.aniboxtv.com/program/program_view.php?pidx=630On October 20 2011 04:48 ShootingStars wrote:
Guys remember, BLIZZARD has rights to SC2, so if KESPA goes out of control, BLIZZARD can and WILL stop them. EZ as that.
that worked with SC1
Kespas lawyers tried to go with the argument that blizzard has no copyrights on sc1 because its "public good" and free to everyone
and kespa is a quasi public organization tooo
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zomgzomgzomg finally Kespa wakes up!
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Well, that is certainly interesting news, though I'm actually surprised that news about BW organisations considering SC2 came out before news about the rumored 8th team. I'm still crossing my fingers to hear about that.
As far as SC2 goes, the SC2 scene is certainly growing quite well in North America and arguably in Europe, though it's still quite small in Korea compared to their BW scene.
If KeSPA is considering expanding their interactions to North America and Europe, then SC2 is definitely a must considering that there isn't much of a pro BW scene in those regions nowadays. The increasing number of sponsors coming into the NA and EU SC2 scenes may also have attracted their interest.
However, China still has a large BW fanbase that KeSPA has recently been testing with OSL and Proleague finals in China, though the typhoon has delayed that expansion by a bit. Considering that SC2 is still quite small in China while BW still has a huge fanbase there, it would be much easier for KeSPA and it's affiliated companies to capitalize on that Chinese BW fanbase rather than risking time, money, and fans when attempting to do a large, forced switch to SC2.
As a result, I think this news really shouldn't really be of any urgent, immediate concern. KeSPA still has many ways and reasons to keep BW alive for several more years, and though SC2 is gaining tons of popularity in North America and Europe, I can see why the people are apprehensive on whether or not that growth is sustainable enough to warrant a large, messy transition from the more established Korean BW scene.
Really, they're just testing the waters, and the results of these tests probably won't solidify for a long time despite these rumors.
However, I kinda like the general mentality with the current Korean SC2 teams regarding cooperation with foreign players and teams as well as large-scale participation in foreign events, so I don't want whatever KeSPA does to change that mentality. I also don't want SC2 to be forced on the BW teams in a way that their overall performance and game quality in the BW leagues go down as a result. In the end, I think the best solution would be a separate SC2 league that doesn't compete with the BW leagues, as well as BW teams and sponsors adopting existing SC2 teams but not interfering with their affairs with foreign SC2 teams and leagues.
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Well ... this is gonna suck, in 1 year they'll probably have no BW anymore :/
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As a SC2 fan, I'm slightly apprehensive that if KeSPA does get involved in SC2 it might end up stifling the great interaction between the Korean and international communities we have now.
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On October 20 2011 04:48 farnham wrote:
thats flat out wrong
GSL is on TV
http://www.aniboxtv.com/program/program_view.php?pidx=630[B]On October 20 2011 04:48
Ah, didn't know they were on television my bad. That doesn't make my point wrong though: GOM needs to step it up with competition finally on the horizon.
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Looks like it is slowly happening... BW being replaced by SC2.
I have mixed feelings about this as I love both games, but the writing has been on the wall for some time and has become a bit more clearer with this announcement.
SC2 is still young though, it needs to grow and mature as a game. Hopefully expansion packs and patches will increase the depth of gameplay to the level of BW.
On another note you can't fault Blizzards tight grip on SC2 much considering how many times the original game was pirated. A lot of money has been made off of their IP and they missed out on it. They won't let that happen with SC2.
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I think this can be nothing but a good thing. After all, the GSL and GSTL are the only major events in Korea, this interlinking into the fact that many Korean players want representation in foreign teams and tournaments because "that's where the money is."
The GSL by no means gives a terrible prize pool (unless you're in Code A of course) but it's still lost its prestige especially to the foreigner crowd because of how difficult it is to actually qualify for Code A, let alone avoid elimination. I believe that out of all the foreigners who made it into Code A, only five have made it beyond the Ro32. Chinro, HuK, SeleCT, SjoW and Sheth. And even then, three of them have voluntarily withdrawn from Code A after their Ro32 victories and Ro16 defeats.
Oh yeah, I also forgot IdrA, the only foreigner to voluntarily withdraw from Code S in a move that I hope doesn't bite him in the arse when he undoubtedly makes his return to Korea. However, he's never been in Code A, recieving his Code S seed when he like Jinro were doing very well and automatically qualified for Code S based on their progression through the GSL Open tournaments.
Let's not forget the additional costs of a several hour flight to South Korea from either North America or Europe and then the accomodation expenses. While GoMTV may pay for this for those who won Code A/S seeds via tournaments like MLG, Road to Korea etc, it's still not viable whatsoever for foreigners.
Why do you think every foreigner but HuK and Jinro refused an invite to the GSL Super Tournament? Because it clashed with an MLG and didn't seem worthwhile.
But would Blizzard and Gretech allow such a thing?
I sure as fucking hell hope so. I think the SC2 broadcasting exclisivity deal has done nothing but harm ESPORTS in Korea.
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I don't think it's lost its prestige - if anything if you want to be taken seriously as a professional sc2 player the fact that you compete and do well in code a/s only gives you massive marketing value.
No prestige lost - only, a legend growing.
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This is terrible news for those of us who don't give a damn about 'e-sports'. You know, those of us who just love Brood War.
I guess it's inevitable. I certainly won't be switching to watch SC2 unless HotS and LotV do a lot to make the game more like BW (get rid of warpgates, refocus the game on siege/anti-siege units, make units clump up less, etc. etc.)
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Kinda funny when Kespa just said that "they don't recognize SC2". Blizzard won't make the same mistakes they had with sc1/KESPA.
I'm somewhat happy, Why? I just want to end this BW vs SC2 argument. Sc2 is the future and BW is the past.
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Finally, Starcraft 2 might gets maps that are set up for high-level play LOLOL. All of the starting SC2 maps were substandard, as per Blizzard mapmaking tradition, and the fact that Metalopolis and Shakuras Plateau are still used in tournaments is alarming.
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On October 20 2011 02:34 dcemuser wrote:Wow. I wonder how they'll get rights for it. I bet they're probably already talking about that with Gretech. Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 02:34 keiraknightlee wrote:It won't matter if Flash, Jaedong, and Bisu aren't playing  Flash, Jaedong, and Bisu are on pro-gaming teams.
still if they werent, they wouldnt play it seeing how they think it is a very unbalanced game.
DES: If you do change over you starcraft 2, would you continue to play protoss?
Bisu: If you're asking for my opinion, then no. Reviews seem to be calling it Terran-World. It'd be nice if they worked on the balance a little bit. If Terran continues to win like this, who is going to play that game? If you're going to make Protoss such a weak race, might as well get rid of it. It's quite saddening. But, if I had to make the switch to Starcraft 2, I probably would play Protoss. (laughs)
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