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Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37058 Posts
October 19 2011 19:23 GMT
#341
Oo...... this is gonna be epic...... just..... epic......
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
strength
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States493 Posts
October 19 2011 19:23 GMT
#342
Took Kespa a year to realize how big sc2 could get? wowww
rUiNati0n
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1155 Posts
October 19 2011 19:24 GMT
#343
I have no idea how this would work with the way things are right now. Looking forward to more info.
eating corn while thinking about eating more corn
Tortious_Tortoise
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States944 Posts
October 19 2011 19:25 GMT
#344
o.o I am SO EXCITED!!!!!
Treating eSports as a social science since 2011; Credo: "The system is never wrong"-- Day9 Daily #400 Part 3
NYAH_NYAH
Profile Joined October 2011
3 Posts
October 19 2011 19:27 GMT
#345
On October 20 2011 04:20 Vuk_91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2011 03:54 TheGlassface wrote:
14 pages and so many topics and no one gets it.

We BW fans are becoming marginalized at every step. Of course we're going to be in defensive postures.

This website is clearly more focused on SCII than BW
The majority of us speak English and the English speaking world is clearly more focused on SCII.
Hell, we can't even watch our games in English or read about them in English.
Our player roster is being marginalized as more and more B teamers and old Bonjwas go over.
In almost every global event, BW is being marginalized if not cut right out.
Our forum here is a constant battleground, as we now are about 1/2 of the poster count
...

So...yea, now you're telling me that my PL is "meshing," with SCII?
I was more than fine with my game, my PL and my website. I have none of these things now, as they were.

I, of all people, don't want to start the war here but the fact is this is why we get pissy. Every, single, time.

Just try and think from our side next time you want to come in here and post like villageidiot or any of his ilk. We don't care that you like your game, we want you to enjoy it. We just want what once was back or at the very least to stop being squeezed in and nudged over to make room for the new puppy.

So, while you see it is "cooperation," and "sharing," we see it as just another in a long line of unfortunate events that continue to shrink and mold our sport alongside something it is not, taking away fans, airtime and players.

Either way, thank you for the news OP. It's always nice to know what is going on in the scene.

Thank you. Fans of Brood War need to realize that the only thing that can come out of this is SC2 slowly taking media space from BroodWar and eventually killing it. And one more thing: Why are they even trying to combine this two games,except for name of the game and few units with same name they don`t have anything in common. Mechanics and gameplay is TOTALLY different. Blizzard is making tons of money from SC2 just just because it is sequel to Brood War,and now Kespa (or whoever it is) is trying to do the same. You say it is a great game,you say it`s better then Brood War? Fine. Start from 0 like Brood War did and then come to me in 10 years and we`ll see where will your game be then. It`s pretty easy to just take over from Brood War. But also it`s pretty unjust.


You guys should really stop being so bitter. Evolution cannot be stopped no matter how much you like or dislike it.
Whynaut
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada367 Posts
October 19 2011 19:27 GMT
#346
AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMGOMGOMGOMG

Sorry, I think I'm better now.

Seriously, this will really help grow SC2 in KR, which has kinda been lagging behind the rest of the world. What does that mean? More BW pros switching over.
FILM
Profile Joined September 2010
United States663 Posts
October 19 2011 19:29 GMT
#347
GET HYPE.

User was warned for this post
Artosis:  "It's like Detroit in there."   Tasteless:  "Lots of shootings and damaged buildings."
Yergidy
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2107 Posts
October 19 2011 19:29 GMT
#348
Excuse me while I run around my house a few times! :D
One bright day in the middle of the night, Two dead boys got up to fight; Back to back they faced each other, Drew their swords and shot each other.
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-19 19:33:39
October 19 2011 19:30 GMT
#349
As long as this doesn't affect Brood War at all or into the future I'm fine with this. SC2 teams deserve their own proleague and under the current system of GSL GOM could never offer one that fully reaches the scope that BW did.

I would be even more interested if BW and SC2 were formed under a single proleague where both games were critical towards the success of a team. Sort of like how CGS used to operate but without different genres and an equal point system.

You guys should really stop being so bitter. Evolution cannot be stopped no matter how much you like or dislike it.


There are legitimate arguments that SC2 is the opposite of evolution if you value gameplay mechanics and unit design.
ReaperX
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Hong Kong1758 Posts
October 19 2011 19:31 GMT
#350
yes, yes, yes.

User was warned for this post
Artosis : Clide. idrA : Shut up.
TheGlassface
Profile Joined November 2010
United States612 Posts
October 19 2011 19:32 GMT
#351
On October 20 2011 04:27 NYAH_NYAH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2011 04:20 Vuk_91 wrote:
On October 20 2011 03:54 TheGlassface wrote:
14 pages and so many topics and no one gets it.

We BW fans are becoming marginalized at every step. Of course we're going to be in defensive postures.

This website is clearly more focused on SCII than BW
The majority of us speak English and the English speaking world is clearly more focused on SCII.
Hell, we can't even watch our games in English or read about them in English.
Our player roster is being marginalized as more and more B teamers and old Bonjwas go over.
In almost every global event, BW is being marginalized if not cut right out.
Our forum here is a constant battleground, as we now are about 1/2 of the poster count
...

So...yea, now you're telling me that my PL is "meshing," with SCII?
I was more than fine with my game, my PL and my website. I have none of these things now, as they were.

I, of all people, don't want to start the war here but the fact is this is why we get pissy. Every, single, time.

Just try and think from our side next time you want to come in here and post like villageidiot or any of his ilk. We don't care that you like your game, we want you to enjoy it. We just want what once was back or at the very least to stop being squeezed in and nudged over to make room for the new puppy.

So, while you see it is "cooperation," and "sharing," we see it as just another in a long line of unfortunate events that continue to shrink and mold our sport alongside something it is not, taking away fans, airtime and players.

Either way, thank you for the news OP. It's always nice to know what is going on in the scene.

Thank you. Fans of Brood War need to realize that the only thing that can come out of this is SC2 slowly taking media space from BroodWar and eventually killing it. And one more thing: Why are they even trying to combine this two games,except for name of the game and few units with same name they don`t have anything in common. Mechanics and gameplay is TOTALLY different. Blizzard is making tons of money from SC2 just just because it is sequel to Brood War,and now Kespa (or whoever it is) is trying to do the same. You say it is a great game,you say it`s better then Brood War? Fine. Start from 0 like Brood War did and then come to me in 10 years and we`ll see where will your game be then. It`s pretty easy to just take over from Brood War. But also it`s pretty unjust.


You guys should really stop being so bitter. Evolution cannot be stopped no matter how much you like or dislike it.



Terrible name/post count aside, what are you even trying to say with that statement?
The mystery of life is not a problem to solve, but a reality to experience. **Hang in there STX fans!! Kal Hwaiting!**
lbmaian
Profile Joined December 2010
United States689 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-19 19:32:31
October 19 2011 19:32 GMT
#352
Hmm, I don't think this is the right time to start SC2 on proleague. It would be best to do so a couple months after the HotS expansion goes out, since:
1) More hype
2) Changed gameplay and potentially fixed flaws will lead to players taking a 2nd look at SC2
3) There's going to be a disruptive period in the lead up to the expansion (and some months afterwards) where players may be unable to split their attention between SC2 vanilla tourneys and HotS beta, and balance could be all out of whack
4) More time to see how BW (both the scene and the community) fares as is
darkest44
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1009 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-19 19:37:24
October 19 2011 19:33 GMT
#353
On October 20 2011 03:15 TedJustice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2011 03:12 Eywa- wrote:
I see one big problem with what is going on, in this thread, there are many many many SC2 posters who are all very happy for the arrival of SC2 in proleague, however, none of them actually consider that this is going to make the foreign SC2 scene as insignificant compared to Korea as BW has been. Once this major league is in place, basically all the SC2 foreigners will become amateurs again.

Foreign scene will just have to step it up. This can't possibly be a bad thing.

Why would you be happy with the foreign scene only being good while korea isn't taking the game seriously? We should want a challenge.


I think the problem is more like people worry that kespa will bring an isolationism attitude towards SC2, not that koreans will be so much better than foreigners that it'll instantly kill the foreign scene. Even BW good pros will take a while to catch up in SC2, the mechanics are different, the strategies are different, plus foreigners have a lot more support, teamhouses, can practice more since they don't need another job to make a living etc so I doubt the gap would ever be as big as BW.

Just hoping Kespa doesn't do things like not having any english casts for SC2 like GOM has or not allowing their players to go to international events etc. SC2 has only thrived because the international community embraced it. I hope GOM and kespa can coexist and both thrive or combine their efforts because GOM has worked really hard and been great to the international community.
wxwx
Profile Joined May 2010
527 Posts
October 19 2011 19:33 GMT
#354
Why is everyone so quick to let go of gomtv? They really have provided so much for sc2 fans. Do you think Kespa would host stuff like GSL Worlds, fly foreigners over, rent a dedicated house for our players, partner with MLG (before MLG became this big)? Meanwhile, if Kespa were to take over, we'd be lucky just to get an English cast.
antilyon
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Brazil2546 Posts
October 19 2011 19:35 GMT
#355
On October 20 2011 04:32 TheGlassface wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2011 04:27 NYAH_NYAH wrote:
On October 20 2011 04:20 Vuk_91 wrote:
On October 20 2011 03:54 TheGlassface wrote:
14 pages and so many topics and no one gets it.

We BW fans are becoming marginalized at every step. Of course we're going to be in defensive postures.

This website is clearly more focused on SCII than BW
The majority of us speak English and the English speaking world is clearly more focused on SCII.
Hell, we can't even watch our games in English or read about them in English.
Our player roster is being marginalized as more and more B teamers and old Bonjwas go over.
In almost every global event, BW is being marginalized if not cut right out.
Our forum here is a constant battleground, as we now are about 1/2 of the poster count
...

So...yea, now you're telling me that my PL is "meshing," with SCII?
I was more than fine with my game, my PL and my website. I have none of these things now, as they were.

I, of all people, don't want to start the war here but the fact is this is why we get pissy. Every, single, time.

Just try and think from our side next time you want to come in here and post like villageidiot or any of his ilk. We don't care that you like your game, we want you to enjoy it. We just want what once was back or at the very least to stop being squeezed in and nudged over to make room for the new puppy.

So, while you see it is "cooperation," and "sharing," we see it as just another in a long line of unfortunate events that continue to shrink and mold our sport alongside something it is not, taking away fans, airtime and players.

Either way, thank you for the news OP. It's always nice to know what is going on in the scene.

Thank you. Fans of Brood War need to realize that the only thing that can come out of this is SC2 slowly taking media space from BroodWar and eventually killing it. And one more thing: Why are they even trying to combine this two games,except for name of the game and few units with same name they don`t have anything in common. Mechanics and gameplay is TOTALLY different. Blizzard is making tons of money from SC2 just just because it is sequel to Brood War,and now Kespa (or whoever it is) is trying to do the same. You say it is a great game,you say it`s better then Brood War? Fine. Start from 0 like Brood War did and then come to me in 10 years and we`ll see where will your game be then. It`s pretty easy to just take over from Brood War. But also it`s pretty unjust.


You guys should really stop being so bitter. Evolution cannot be stopped no matter how much you like or dislike it.



Terrible name/post count aside, what are you even trying to say with that statement?

He's just being a prick.
He should've stopped here:"You guys should really stop being so bitter."
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
October 19 2011 19:35 GMT
#356
On October 20 2011 04:33 wxwx wrote:
Why is everyone so quick to let go of gomtv? They really have provided so much for sc2 fans. Do you think Kespa would host stuff like GSL Worlds, fly foreigners over, rent a dedicated house for our players, partner with MLG (before MLG became this big)? Meanwhile, if Kespa were to take over, we'd be lucky just to get an English cast.


GOM can peacefully co-exist with a KeSPA run proleague. OGN/MBC never had to shut down their individual leagues when proleague grew to the size it was. I don't see why GSL has to either.
farnham
Profile Joined January 2011
1378 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-19 19:41:50
October 19 2011 19:40 GMT
#357
gretech has exclusive rights to sc2 tournaments in korea outside of international events like wcg

kespa must acquire sublicenses from gretech to do sc2 pro leagues

i believe they definately should do it as they could promote sc2 as a whole and progamers will get more money
On October 20 2011 04:33 wxwx wrote:
Why is everyone so quick to let go of gomtv? They really have provided so much for sc2 fans. Do you think Kespa would host stuff like GSL Worlds, fly foreigners over, rent a dedicated house for our players, partner with MLG (before MLG became this big)? Meanwhile, if Kespa were to take over, we'd be lucky just to get an English cast.

they are disregarding the fact that gretech has exclusivity to sc2 tournaments in korea

if kespa wants in its on terms of gretech
Zion9
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Romania347 Posts
October 19 2011 19:42 GMT
#358
So overall SC2 had a pretty good year, noone tought it would grow so fast but as we can see it is only the beginning!

Great news !
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farnham
Profile Joined January 2011
1378 Posts
October 19 2011 19:43 GMT
#359
On October 20 2011 04:23 strength wrote:
Took Kespa a year to realize how big sc2 could get? wowww

they are quasi public

that makes them bureaucrats

they always lag behind

especially korean bureaucrats
4vvhiplash7
Profile Joined December 2010
South Africa392 Posts
October 19 2011 19:44 GMT
#360
I'm sad now... I was hoping that wouldn't happen... I know I'll get flamed for saying this, but I really don't want sc2 to be part of proleague, I was seriously looking forward to another exciting season of BROODWAR...

This is good news for e-sports, but terrible news for Broodwar...

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