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Bisu, Jaedong, Jangbi, Fantasy to Blizzcon 2011 - Page 87

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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66357 Posts
October 28 2011 12:05 GMT
#1721
On October 28 2011 11:45 Xiphos wrote:
I personally think that the next game evolution in BW would be more "mind games" instead of focusing on mechanics. We seen this in Effort vs Flash and JangBi vs Fantasy sets where gamers would use fakes (effort vs flash on FS) and psychologically warefare (JB not using a SINGLE storm in the entire set) as an attempt to get into the opponent's head and then do the unexpected. I'd say this because eventually the mechanics would be so refined that there would be better sources to learn from, therefore making it easier to be "pro". However at the highest level, everything is based on how strong a player's mental fortitude.

this.

although i can't say we've reached the physical limit of mechanics, there can definitely be some more, although whether it is possible or not remains to be seen, such as more people being able to multitask like bisu, cast storms like jangbi, use carriers like stork, effecient dweb vs terran, etc etc
POGGERS
purgerinho
Profile Joined June 2008
Croatia919 Posts
October 28 2011 12:24 GMT
#1722
man, if you say that sc2 needs more skill or understanding than bw then you just show how much you don't understand. BW is extremly hard, it is brutal. SC2 is for masses, it is easy to learn and there is so many things that have to be fixed. Those games will be able to compare when all expansions come out. Then we will be able to talk about BW and SC2. Now we can't.
SUMMARIZED (by DeMu): You CANNOT surprise a top level Protoss with a build
Draconicfire
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2562 Posts
October 28 2011 12:43 GMT
#1723
So apparently most of the BW teams have started to practice SC2 already.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=280168

Thoughts?
@Drayxs | Drayxs.221 | Drayxs#1802
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
October 28 2011 12:45 GMT
#1724
On October 28 2011 21:43 Draconicfire wrote:
So apparently most of the BW teams have started to practice SC2 already.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=280168

Thoughts?


we be upset.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Ikonn
Profile Joined October 2009
Netherlands1958 Posts
October 28 2011 12:49 GMT
#1725
On October 28 2011 21:43 Draconicfire wrote:
So apparently most of the BW teams have started to practice SC2 already.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=280168

Thoughts?


irritating
rasers
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden691 Posts
October 28 2011 12:50 GMT
#1726
On October 28 2011 21:43 Draconicfire wrote:
So apparently most of the BW teams have started to practice SC2 already.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=280168

Thoughts?

people will overhype this again.
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
October 28 2011 12:58 GMT
#1727
On October 28 2011 21:43 Draconicfire wrote:
So apparently most of the BW teams have started to practice SC2 already.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=280168

Thoughts?

I'm honestly shaken by the news, I didn't really expect it >.> <.<
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
October 28 2011 12:59 GMT
#1728
On October 28 2011 21:58 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2011 21:43 Draconicfire wrote:
So apparently most of the BW teams have started to practice SC2 already.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=280168

Thoughts?

I'm honestly shaken by the news, I didn't really expect it >.> <.<


you've been hearing it for weeks now,should have expected it.

regardless,it can be good in the real LOOOOONG term,right now,I just see it as bad bad bad bad bad.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
October 28 2011 13:00 GMT
#1729
On October 28 2011 21:43 Draconicfire wrote:
So apparently most of the BW teams have started to practice SC2 already.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=280168

Thoughts?

At least the OP did not post it in Brood War forum; nobody want yet another war-zone out here >.>
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
October 28 2011 13:01 GMT
#1730
On October 28 2011 21:59 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2011 21:58 GMarshal wrote:
On October 28 2011 21:43 Draconicfire wrote:
So apparently most of the BW teams have started to practice SC2 already.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=280168

Thoughts?

I'm honestly shaken by the news, I didn't really expect it >.> <.<


you've been hearing it for weeks now,should have expected it.

regardless,it can be good in the real LOOOOONG term,right now,I just see it as bad bad bad bad bad.

Its probably more I didn't want to expect it.

Anyway I agree, long term it might be good, right now it doesn't feel that way
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Tadah
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden120 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-28 13:09:57
October 28 2011 13:09 GMT
#1731
I honestly feel that this is a very wrong move by KeSPA. I mean, are they not supposed to be the Korean Esports Association? In that case, you would expect them to not switch out a game that is followed and adored by the majority of the fans within the country that said entity is supposed to look after and nurture and whatnot. It seems as if this is solely a corporate decision, and while I realize that KeSPA is made up of corporatre represantives and such, they can no longer pretend to have the fans best interest at heart. Because in that case they wouldn't pull this bullshit.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
October 28 2011 13:11 GMT
#1732
On October 28 2011 22:09 Tadah wrote:
I honestly feel that this is a very wrong move by KeSPA. I mean, are they not supposed to be the Korean Esports Association? In that case, you would expect them to not switch out a game that is followed and adored by the majority of the fans within the country that said entity is supposed to look after and nurture and whatnot. It seems as if this is solely a corporate decision, and while I realize that KeSPA is made up of corporatre represantives and such, they can no longer pretend to have the fans best interest at heart. Because in that case they wouldn't pull this bullshit.


they aren't switching out BW, they're not that stupid.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
shr0ud
Profile Joined April 2011
Finland222 Posts
October 28 2011 13:12 GMT
#1733
On October 28 2011 22:09 Tadah wrote:
I honestly feel that this is a very wrong move by KeSPA. I mean, are they not supposed to be the Korean Esports Association? In that case, you would expect them to not switch out a game that is followed and adored by the majority of the fans within the country that said entity is supposed to look after and nurture and whatnot. It seems as if this is solely a corporate decision, and while I realize that KeSPA is made up of corporatre represantives and such, they can no longer pretend to have the fans best interest at heart. Because in that case they wouldn't pull this bullshit.

They're not switching out anything. SC2 is simply being considered as an addition to the Proleague.
pedrotrv
Profile Joined August 2010
Brazil117 Posts
October 28 2011 13:14 GMT
#1734
They're not switching, TLBS are not swtching and A teamers are not switching. Sc2 has no money involved, at least yet, and is bashed by blizz metagame changes every other month. In the thread at the sc2 forums the nerds are already talking about flash in MLG, ROFL.

I'm guessing they will have a paralel PL, because if they integrate both game in a bo7 it will be really boring. SC2 is so bad to watch, so fkn boring.
woot.
chongu
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia2593 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-28 13:17:16
October 28 2011 13:16 GMT
#1735
On October 28 2011 11:45 Xiphos wrote:
I personally think that the next game evolution in BW would be more "mind games" instead of focusing on mechanics. We seen this in Effort vs Flash and JangBi vs Fantasy sets where gamers would use fakes (effort vs flash on FS) and psychologically warefare (JB not using a SINGLE storm in the entire set) as an attempt to get into the opponent's head and then do the unexpected. I'd say this because eventually the mechanics would be so refined that there would be better sources to learn from, therefore making it easier to be "pro". However at the highest level, everything is based on how strong a player's mental fortitude.


The best example of this is probably ZvZ... where no player actually stands out, like JvZ back in the 2009-2010 years. Anybody of the likes of modesty, S2, hydra has an even footing. ;______; g'damnit
SC2 is to BW, what coke is to wine.
kuroshiroi
Profile Joined November 2010
3149 Posts
October 28 2011 13:17 GMT
#1736
I don't know, I sort of get the feeling they're just letting the BW guys look at SC2, to see what they think. It would be super stupid to switch completely over to SC2 now but who knows, maybe Kespa is getting really desperate.
Fly Jaedong, fly!
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
October 28 2011 13:19 GMT
#1737
On October 28 2011 21:43 Draconicfire wrote:
So apparently most of the BW teams have started to practice SC2 already.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=280168

Thoughts?

As long as they keep playing bw, I'm ok with this.
It's true that some matchups in sc2 have now a real "bw feel" (like TvZ and TvT) but it's still not there, so I really hope there won't be any "switch" any time soon.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
October 28 2011 13:22 GMT
#1738
On October 28 2011 21:43 Draconicfire wrote:
So apparently most of the BW teams have started to practice SC2 already.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=280168

Thoughts?


The top wont switch anywhere. I'm pretty sure the teams are setting up SC2 "squad" for those who want to play it instead, b-teamers perhaps.

I don't mind some of them coming over, as long as BW stays alive and healthy.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
October 28 2011 13:22 GMT
#1739
On October 28 2011 22:14 pedrotrv wrote:
They're not switching, TLBS are not swtching and A teamers are not switching. Sc2 has no money involved, at least yet, and is bashed by blizz metagame changes every other month. In the thread at the sc2 forums the nerds are already talking about flash in MLG, ROFL.

I'm guessing they will have a paralel PL, because if they integrate both game in a bo7 it will be really boring. SC2 is so bad to watch, so fkn boring.


what are we then?Fucking Jocks?

don't do that bro,no bashing necessary.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Nazza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1654 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-28 13:26:04
October 28 2011 13:23 GMT
#1740
On October 28 2011 21:43 Draconicfire wrote:
So apparently most of the BW teams have started to practice SC2 already.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=280168

Thoughts?


I think they should lock the team icons so that only people that supported the BW teams previously have the privilege of showing their true colours.

But yeah, irritating...

On October 28 2011 22:17 kuroshiroi wrote:
I don't know, I sort of get the feeling they're just letting the BW guys look at SC2, to see what they think. It would be super stupid to switch completely over to SC2 now but who knows, maybe Kespa is getting really desperate.


Should we hope that they completely demolished and they come back to BW, or should we hope that they crush face and rep BW all the way?
No one ever remembers second place, eh? eh? GIVE ME COMMAND
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