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On October 26 2011 23:45 Necosarius wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2011 12:11 Ribbon wrote:On October 26 2011 11:40 AdAckbar wrote:
The only thing I can come up with for this whole situation is some bw pros going to sc2. Bisu, Fantasy, and JangBi would be utterly retarded to switch to SC2 at this point in their careers. They'd make a lot less money, end of story. For Jaedong, it'd be a huge risk, but he doesn't have a team and Nada's said a top-level Zerg would dominate SC2 in a way a top level Terran or Toss wouldn't. Even then, though, he'd be giving up a near-certain shot at 6 figures for a maybe chance at 6 figures, which is kind of a weak play. That's interesting, why would a zerg dominate more than a terran/protoss?
SC2 toss is unstable as hell ( both due to meta shifts and blizzard's attempts to balance the whole race around one goddamn mirror match strat that does not die) so even a top level player switching would be unlikely to dominate given how often even the basic things like unit and tech build times change. Plus domination includes winning your mirror and as amusing as sc2 PvP can be at times more often than not it's a coinflippy clusterfuck. Which isn't to say that someone like Bisu wouldn't rape face as sc2 toss just that the race itself is not stable enough for even his skills to guarantee consistent success.
Terran at least in Korea is most dominant and the most figured out race, there's too many truly good terrans for one to stay on top for very long. A top BW terran coming over would be able to adapt very quickly and would easily join the upper echelon of terran pros now but there's no guarantee he could stand head and shoulders above the others. So I guess a terran switching could dominate but they wouldn't really stand out given players like MMA and MVP are too solid to simply fade away in their presence.
Zerg currently lacks a truly well rounded champion and also has not been pushed to it's creative or skill limit. Mutas and roachburrow micro in particular can be done better than they are now, even Nestea still misses larva injects and ZvZ rarely gets past the ling baneling stage to evolve into a more dynamic matchup. Zerg is my fav race in both games ( why yes I enjoy BW and sc2) but it is infinitely less interesting in sc2. Everyone knows more can be done with the race but for the most part little more happens than adaptation. The reason so often you hear of a potential challenger to the zerg throne ( DRG, stephano) is that every now and again someone figures something out about zerg and bam they get a brief period of success followed by mediocrity once others figure out how to deal with their discovery.
A top BW zerg has the potential to put everything together, perfect larva injects, perfect creep spread and map awareness, a better understanding of positional fighting ( please god let more zerg players figure this out), top unit control and most importantly planning. No zerg has all of these and a high winrate against everyone right now. Nestea is arguably the best sc2 zerg have to offer and even he has some terrible decision making and unit control at times. He's a monster to be sure but even he himself points out his greatest skill is in planning builds based around studying his opponent. If his opponent acts strangely things tend to go wrong for him and he is not as flexible as he could be. Despite Nestea being the better overall zerg I would posit that July is sometimes the stronger zerg ( he just gets it better than other players do) and if he would just learn to fucking spread creep he'd have less preventable losses.
Any truly talented RTS player who took up zerg and could harness all the above skills could destroy a lot of people. A BW pro has the best likelihood of being able to do all those things and show us how strong zerg truly is.
/rant. * This is all just my opinion and should probably not be taken as fact.
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On October 26 2011 20:18 GTR wrote:![[image loading]](http://www.fomos.kr/board/issue/1319623451_8.jpg) what a strange shirt for fantasy.
This shirt, has a very strong and meaningful yet humorous slogan 
With a cute duck. +++ Fantasy looked silly with untamed hair + spectacle + awkward smile.
Okay, no flame me because I said things too negative about Fantasy.
Actually he is one of my fav player keke. I decided to save this picture in my desktop.
Like a boss, okay.
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On October 27 2011 00:52 ladyumbra wrote:
/rant. * This is all just my opinion and should probably not be taken as fact.
As a SC2 protoss, who has ever seen only 1 broodwar game, I agree with what you said.
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On October 27 2011 01:09 Greentellon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 00:52 ladyumbra wrote:
/rant. * This is all just my opinion and should probably not be taken as fact. As a SC2 protoss, who has ever seen only 1 broodwar game, I agree with what you said.
Wait with my general assessment or that I should stfu since it's just my opinion? * Squirms* I'm not trying to raise trouble I was just trying to answer the question based on what I've seen and heard.
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On October 26 2011 21:24 seraphe wrote:Lots more pictures of Bisu, Fantasy, and Jaedong on fomos. lol @ the 3 of them eating In N Out. Savor it while you can boys, cuz you'll miss it when you leave. I've been craving In N Out for the last 4 months. Someone needs to import that shit into Korea. Also, you'd think that since they're at the happiest place on earth (disneyland), Jangbi would smile a little more. y so srs face all the time.
In that last picture, Jangbi and Jaedong seem really close (Jangbi has his arm around Jaedong?) while Fantasy and Bisu are being awkward on either side.
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On October 27 2011 01:26 Pvvned wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2011 21:24 seraphe wrote:Lots more pictures of Bisu, Fantasy, and Jaedong on fomos. lol @ the 3 of them eating In N Out. Savor it while you can boys, cuz you'll miss it when you leave. I've been craving In N Out for the last 4 months. Someone needs to import that shit into Korea. Also, you'd think that since they're at the happiest place on earth (disneyland), Jangbi would smile a little more. y so srs face all the time. In that last picture, Jangbi and Jaedong seem really close (Jangbi has his arm around Jaedong?) while Fantasy and Bisu are being awkward on either side.
Yes, Jangbi and Jaedong are close friends.
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+ Show Spoiler +On October 27 2011 00:52 ladyumbra wrote:On October 26 2011 23:45 Necosarius wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2011 12:11 Ribbon wrote:On October 26 2011 11:40 AdAckbar wrote:
The only thing I can come up with for this whole situation is some bw pros going to sc2. Bisu, Fantasy, and JangBi would be utterly retarded to switch to SC2 at this point in their careers. They'd make a lot less money, end of story. For Jaedong, it'd be a huge risk, but he doesn't have a team and Nada's said a top-level Zerg would dominate SC2 in a way a top level Terran or Toss wouldn't. Even then, though, he'd be giving up a near-certain shot at 6 figures for a maybe chance at 6 figures, which is kind of a weak play. That's interesting, why would a zerg dominate more than a terran/protoss? SC2 toss is unstable as hell ( both due to meta shifts and blizzard's attempts to balance the whole race around one goddamn mirror match strat that does not die) so even a top level player switching would be unlikely to dominate given how often even the basic things like unit and tech build times change. Plus domination includes winning your mirror and as amusing as sc2 PvP can be at times more often than not it's a coinflippy clusterfuck. Which isn't to say that someone like Bisu wouldn't rape face as sc2 toss just that the race itself is not stable enough for even his skills to guarantee consistent success. Terran at least in Korea is most dominant and the most figured out race, there's too many truly good terrans for one to stay on top for very long. A top BW terran coming over would be able to adapt very quickly and would easily join the upper echelon of terran pros now but there's no guarantee he could stand head and shoulders above the others. So I guess a terran switching could dominate but they wouldn't really stand out given players like MMA and MVP are too solid to simply fade away in their presence. Zerg currently lacks a truly well rounded champion and also has not been pushed to it's creative or skill limit. Mutas and roachburrow micro in particular can be done better than they are now, even Nestea still misses larva injects and ZvZ rarely gets past the ling baneling stage to evolve into a more dynamic matchup. Zerg is my fav race in both games ( why yes I enjoy BW and sc2) but it is infinitely less interesting in sc2. Everyone knows more can be done with the race but for the most part little more happens than adaptation. The reason so often you hear of a potential challenger to the zerg throne ( DRG, stephano) is that every now and again someone figures something out about zerg and bam they get a brief period of success followed by mediocrity once others figure out how to deal with their discovery. A top BW zerg has the potential to put everything together, perfect larva injects, perfect creep spread and map awareness, a better understanding of positional fighting ( please god let more zerg players figure this out), top unit control and most importantly planning. No zerg has all of these and a high winrate against everyone right now. Nestea is arguably the best sc2 zerg have to offer and even he has some terrible decision making and unit control at times. He's a monster to be sure but even he himself points out his greatest skill is in planning builds based around studying his opponent. If his opponent acts strangely things tend to go wrong for him and he is not as flexible as he could be. Despite Nestea being the better overall zerg I would posit that July is sometimes the stronger zerg ( he just gets it better than other players do) and if he would just learn to fucking spread creep he'd have less preventable losses. Any truly talented RTS player who took up zerg and could harness all the above skills could destroy a lot of people. A BW pro has the best likelihood of being able to do all those things and show us how strong zerg truly is. /rant. * This is all just my opinion and should probably not be taken as fact .
Really good post and i think that's the way NaDa think when he says this. That's also my opinion. There's a whole lot to use as Zerg now, Nydus is almost never used, tactical banelings mines could be better... And macro perfection (hit all injects, spread creep, block expansions) hasn't been seen a lot...
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Wonder what the 4 gosu's are discussing.. Probably how it feels to win an OSL title  (LOL Beesuit)
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On October 27 2011 05:09 sGs.Kal_rA wrote:Wonder what the 4 gosu's are discussing.. Probably how it feels to win an OSL title (LOL Beesuit)
Probably Jaedong asking Bisu "What's it feel like to NOT have an OSL title? I don't understand.... I have 3!" Fantasy and Jangbi nodding at each other - "Yeah even I have one..." Then Bisu makes an ugly face and things get awkward and quiet. Everyone turns to their food, Bisu pulls out his phone.
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On October 26 2011 23:45 Necosarius wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2011 12:11 Ribbon wrote:On October 26 2011 11:40 AdAckbar wrote:
The only thing I can come up with for this whole situation is some bw pros going to sc2. Bisu, Fantasy, and JangBi would be utterly retarded to switch to SC2 at this point in their careers. They'd make a lot less money, end of story. For Jaedong, it'd be a huge risk, but he doesn't have a team and Nada's said a top-level Zerg would dominate SC2 in a way a top level Terran or Toss wouldn't. Even then, though, he'd be giving up a near-certain shot at 6 figures for a maybe chance at 6 figures, which is kind of a weak play. That's interesting, why would a zerg dominate more than a terran/protoss?
I don't know Nada's reasoning (it may have been a balance whine in disguise), but SC2 Zerg is the hardest race mechanically, doesn't benefit much from MBS, and needs to not have their units in a 1a deathball, and therefore a high-skill player can do more than Zerg than with Protoss (which is 1aish, though this is changing somewhat), and Terran (the easiest macro).
While P/T have a lot to be discovered and tightened, SC2 zerg is the only race where there are things that are 100% good (dropping changlings and sending them to scout random expoes and stuff, which is free) but that Zerg don't do for APM reasons.
My theory, anyway. Would love to know Nada's.
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On October 27 2011 05:20 m4gdelen4 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 05:09 sGs.Kal_rA wrote:Wonder what the 4 gosu's are discussing.. Probably how it feels to win an OSL title (LOL Beesuit) Probably Jaedong asking Bisu "What's it feel like to NOT have an OSL title? I don't understand.... I have 3!" Fantasy and Jangbi nodding at each other - "Yeah even I have one..." Then Bisu makes an ugly face and things get awkward and quiet. Everyone turns to their food, Bisu pulls out his phone.
And Bisu's just bringing up the pictures of his 3 MSL trophies & golden badge on his phone.
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On October 26 2011 23:15 GTR wrote:
yes, because jaedong solely won 3 osl's and 2 msl's just abusing mutalisks and defilers.
Jae Dong to Mutas is like Destiny to Infestors.
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On October 27 2011 05:09 sGs.Kal_rA wrote:Wonder what the 4 gosu's are discussing.. Probably how it feels to win an OSL title (LOL Beesuit)
They are discussing how amazing in-n-out is. Making me hungry.
Good thing there is one 5 minutes away kekeke
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On October 27 2011 05:33 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2011 23:15 GTR wrote:
yes, because jaedong solely won 3 osl's and 2 msl's just abusing mutalisks and defilers. Jae Dong to Mutas is like Destiny to Infestors.
Never imply that Destiny and Jaedong even play in the same universe of skill. Jaedong can win with any zerg unit, in any matchup (except zvz  ). Destiny relied on infestors because he wasn't very good. Jaedong to Mutas is what Stork is to Carriers.
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On October 27 2011 05:45 Pelopidas wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 05:33 ZAiNs wrote:On October 26 2011 23:15 GTR wrote:
yes, because jaedong solely won 3 osl's and 2 msl's just abusing mutalisks and defilers. Jae Dong to Mutas is like Destiny to Infestors. Never imply that Destiny and Jaedong even play in the same universe of skill. Jaedong can win with any zerg unit, in any matchup (except zvz ). Destiny relied on infestors because he wasn't very good. Jaedong to Mutas is what Stork is to Carriers.
I think he's just implying that they are their iconic unit choice, so to speak, rather than making a parallel between their skill level...
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On October 27 2011 05:45 Pelopidas wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 05:33 ZAiNs wrote:On October 26 2011 23:15 GTR wrote:
yes, because jaedong solely won 3 osl's and 2 msl's just abusing mutalisks and defilers. Jae Dong to Mutas is like Destiny to Infestors. Never imply that Destiny and Jaedong even play in the same universe of skill. Jaedong can win with any zerg unit, in any matchup (except zvz ). Destiny relied on infestors because he wasn't very good. Jaedong to Mutas is what Stork is to Carriers.
don't go to hard on him, he comes from a weird parallel universe called "SC 2 General", where such strange comparisons come up and where even ForGG is considered a bw legend =)
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No need to be that harsh =)
Plus ForGG is part of a bw legend... I mean, isn't he another victim of the KT curse ? :p
Edit : and mutas are also attach to another BW great <3
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