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Samsung KHAN's (Z)great, Cha Myung Hwan and Woongjin Stars's Kim Myung Woon, aka (Z)ZerO are both well-known progamers of the scene. They have both been long time aces of their teams in their respective races, and they have both been contesting the title of being amongst the top 2 zergs behind Jaedong for the last handful of seasons - but it wasn't this aspect of their rivalry that fans remember it for.

These two players happen to share a distinctive trait in a certain match-up that makes fans remember their names even during the worst of their inconsistencies and slumps: their unique ability to twist and decide the usually explosive and short zerg versus zerg games with the use of hive tech.

Getting to hive is a rare sight in ZvZ, and as such, it's considered to be one of the most precious treats of pro games, even amongst those who generally dislike this overly precise and volatile matchup.
People often argue that this very "dancing on the razor's edge" aspect of the match-up makes it improbable to enter the highest tiers of tech, because the games are often decided earlier by the slightest mismicros and build order advantages, and rarely stay balanced long enough for such progression. Still, the fact that zero and great are featured in an unlikely percentage of all such televised games ever played shows that maybe it's all more a question of willingness to go hive than being well-matched with your opponent - and as such, these players deserve praise from all fans of BW for daring to steer from the boring norms.

When we say that these players have played 5-6 televised ZvZ games with hives making an appearance, those numbers almost seem laughable, but once again we have to consider what overwhelming number of progamers spend their entire career without giving the audiences even a single such game.

Not to spend time on the characteristics of a hive-tech zvz in this issue, here are two insightful posts about them from these forums - which were mostly inspired by these two players in our spotlight today.

Recommended Reading

February 07 2011, Analysis of the MSL Ro4 by hacklebeast
December 30th, 2010, Lategame ZvZ By swanized and flamewheel



Even those "few" 5-6 games evenly spread out throughout their career made for one of the most exciting ZvZ rivalries of our time. When Zero and great play games, people immediately get excited at the possibility of an epic and unusual game of Starcraft. To get ourselves a little more familiar with how this atmosphere came to be, prplhz will now tell us about two spectacular games that Zero and great have played against other zerg players:

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November 10th 2010, Shinhan Bank Proleague Woongjin Stars against KT Rolster. Woongjin Stars came into this proleague season reformed as a much leaner and intimidating team, clearly capable of contending with anybody while KT Rolster was defending their proleague title from last season.

First match was on Empire of the Sun with Stars sending out ZerO and KT playing HoeJJa. The red ZerO spawns bottom right and opens with a 12hatch while HoeJJa spawns top right doing 12pool gas and puts down a hatch at his natural.


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ZerO easily deflects the obilgatory ling pressure from HoeJJa using his hatch to negate HoeJJa's speed.


ZerO delayed speed for fast lair/spire so after deflecting the ling pressure he was looking really good, being ahead in econ/army/tech. With all these lings ZerO decide to go on the offensive.


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But HoeJJa deflects it twice ..


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.. and just before third assault HoeJJa goes on the offensive.


Instead of going home to protect against the ling runby ZerO goes on the offensive again, but with no ling reinforcements this fails miserably and he is forced to turn around but too late.


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This is bad for ZerO.


Before ZerO can get home his spire is down after only 4 mutas have spawned. ZerO has no choice but to throw down an evo chamber to protect against the mutas ZerO knows are coming. With spores in place the game goes into a stalemate where both players mass an air force, but ZerO will never catch up with HoeJJa in muta/scourge.


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And then ... Queen's Nest


This caught everybody by surprise, especially HoeJJa who has decided not to scout ZerO and has no idea what is happening until the greater spire is half way done. In response to this HoeJJa cancels his third at 3 o'clock and puts down an evo chamber and spores up. Yea, I know, but that's what he did!


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I never really understood how these cocoons can float in the air.


HoeJJa is now suddenly behind in tech army and econ. The only thing he has going for him is the mobility of his army, his muta/scourge being faster than ZerO's muta/scourge/devourer. ZerO decides to blindly push towards HoeJJa's base. Somehow he manages to dodge ZerO's scout lings but then ...


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Can't let this ling live! ZerO decides to use his impressive air force to kill this ling and then to fly a bit around and kill an oovie instead of going for HoeJJa's base.



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HoeJJa uses this time to move his army across the map and launch a counter attack before ZerO reaches his base.


For the second time in this game ZerO rushes his army back to prevent critical damage but HoeJJa's scourges delay him and for the second time he is too late, when he arrives HoeJJa has already retired leaving ZerO's natural in ruins.


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This is bad for ZerO.


ZerO is now on one base against HoeJJa's two bases, he has to put on pressure on and he decides to go for HoeJJa's main again. HoeJJa counter attack again and for the third time in this game ZerO rushes back to defend but third time's a charm. HoeJJa has significantly less scourges and cannot delay ZerO as much and ZerO catches HoeJJa's air force before he can destroy anything but spore colonies.


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An epic battle of devourers, mutas and scourges ensues.


Acid spores starts stacking on HoeJJa's mutas and he is forced to retire towards his spored up base with ZerO in hot pursuit.


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In HoeJJa's main ZerO destroys HoeJJa's economy and his army in a very nice micro battle.


During this battle ZerO also rebuilds his natural hatch and gets his economy going again. After killing almost all of HoeJJa's drones he retreats, being in a position of superior army, econ and tech.


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After a failed last ditch attack HoeJJa is forced to gg.


In this game the hive tech came as a surprise, not just to the audience and commentators but to the opponent who did not expect it. In fact, HoeJJa didn't even scout for it. After making a big mistake in the beginning ZerO throws away his BO advantage when he loses his spire to a ling runby. This forces him into an unwinnable position in standard ZvZ but ZerO does not play standard. Even though HoeJJa allows ZerO to get to hive undisturbed he has not won the game yet, his stronger army has to catch HoeJJa's army but when this happens the game is essentially over.

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Christmas day 2010. PDPop MSL ro32 (Z)great against (Z)Neo.G_Soulkey on Circuit Breaker, winner advances out of the group while loser has to face either (T)Fantasy or (T)Leta.

great spawns top right as red and opens 9pool lair while Soulkey spawns top left as orange and opens 12poolgas and puts down a hatch in his natural. great tries to put on some ling pressure but Soulkey has his own lings up in time to defend.


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great hides some lings and puts down a sunken in his main. It's a trap!


Soulkey doesn't bite though and stays put with his lings. great gets his spire up and pumps some mutas out while Soulkey puts down an evo chamber before spire and builds two spores in natural and main.


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great attacks with mass lings while his mutas wait for the outcome. Soulkey defends with less lings losing around 4 drones.


During the attack great got a hatch up in his natural. Soulkey, being behind in mutas but ahead in static defenses, decides to turtle and during the next couple of minutes there's not much action. great pokes around with mutas and Soulkey scouts with scourge.


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And then ... Hive. This is the first shot of it around a minute after the queen's nest started.


great already has a third hatch in his natural and he uses using his superior muta count to put up a hatch at 3 o'clock without getting disturbed. great also relentlessly scouts and sees the hive seconds after it starts morphing.


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great decides to go hive on 3 base ...

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... while Soulkey uses his hive to get this fance spire.



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great follows up with a hydralisk den.


great spores up in preparation for his impending loss of air control, putting 3 spores in each of his bases.


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Soulkey moves out with muta/devourer/ling


Soulkey decides to go for great's 3 o'clock with his lings and use his muta/devourer to prevent any reinforcements ...


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... but great barely manages to move his mutas to save the 3 o'clock before getting blocked.


great launches a ling counter that forces Soulkey to retreat with his muta/devourer air force. This gives breathing room to finish two defiler mounds for fast plague, something which will be very dangerous to Soulkey's muta/devourer. But before defilers pop ...


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... great decides to throw away a ton of his mutas against the Soulkey's muta/devourer. I don't know if that was a serious case of miscontrol but it was pretty bad.


But Soulkey has a pretty hard time taking advantage of his stronger army. All of great's bases are spored and sunken'd up and Soulkey is still only on 2 hatches to great's 4. Soulkey realizes this and puts up another hatch in the 12 o'clock.


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Smart move as this allows Soulkey to be in his base with his slow muta/devourer force while still being close enough to great's bases to pose a threat.


great will have none of that third though and pushes it heavily with his 4 hatches. Soulkey tries to hold it off with his own ling/muta/devourer ...


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... and great again shows how much he cares about his own mutas, this time by plagueing them. The korean commentators finds this amusing but the mutas don't. Because every single one of them dies.



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With his third safe for the time and complete air control, Soulkey morphs some guardians and starts to harass great's mineral lines.



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great who's given up on mutas for now and gone for a ling/hydra/lurker/defiler composition does the only sensible thing and goes on the offensive destroying the 12 o'clock hatch ...



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... and moving on to Soulkey's natural. Soulkey only manages to stop the onslaught with 5 guardians.


Meanwhile great, after a long time, manages to kill the 5 guardians that were harassing his natural and 3 o'clock. great tries to set up a contain near Soulkey's natural but decides it's too dangerous near the cliffs with Soulkey's guardian/devourer/lurker, especially when he doesn't have any oovies around, and consequently retreats. He puts up his 4th base at 1 o'clock and keeps going for ling/hydra/lurker/defiler until he feels save to advance again.


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great repeatedly denies Soulkey's third.



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During the entire game Soulkey almost continously does ling runbys, sniping drones and defilers and scouting while also keeping great on his toes.


At this point in the game Soulkey is almost mined out and desperately needs a new base while great sits comfortably on 4 bases. Soulkey has a very strong but also immobile composition of ling/lurker/devourer/guardian with a couple of defilers mixed in. great uses his opponent's immobility to take a new base at bottom right main uncontested.


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Soulkey also finally manages to get a third up at 9 o'clock. Four lurkers under a swarm guarding a ramp is allegedly something you don't just break with anything in ZvZ.


With a nydus up from his natural to his 9 o'clock, Soulkey is in a pretty unbreakable defensive position but at this point he has no map control at all. The game goes pretty stale and even the ever enthusiastic korean commentators have a hard time getting excited as evident by this, which mostly sounds like a plea for something to happen.


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Even great knows that the game needs some more action and tries to please his fans with this funny little gimmick, which sadly enough ultimately fails without doing any damage.



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great then gives people something to get excited about for real. Ultras in ZvZ, great you crowd-pleaser!


At this point the game is essentially over though, great has full map control and better economy. He gradually takes new bases all over the map while Soulkey cannot get out of his measly 3 bases.


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In the end great decides to a-move and roll over Soulkey. GG.



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He went hive against the wrong man and he knows it.


The game shows great reacting perfectly to a timely scouted hive tech by Soulkey. He gets a superior economy going while calmly teching to defilers that makes any large scale aggression Soulkey could have wanted to do with devourer/muta virtually impossible. The game would have been over much sooner if great had not been so careless with his mutas and defended against harassment better. Soulkey relentlessly did ling runbys throughout the entire game which helped him keep some map control but in the end it just delayed the inevitable. great's unit composition was just a lot better and with his superior economy he just rolled over Soulkey in the end.

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Zero and great both have been progamers for years before they first met in an official game in the summer of 2009. Their game on Heartbreak Ridge was the opening to the Samsung vs Woongjin match in the Proleague, and great defeated Zero in an unspectacular fashion, paving the way for Samsung's eventual 3-1 victory.

There were no other games between the two for an other year, but then over the span of a year they have played 8 more times. As part of the top 32 players, they have met in the group stages of the Bigfile MSL, and after two quick defeats to Sea and Stats they have found themselves facing off in the losers' game with high stakes: the loser was to be eliminated immediately from the starleague. That game turned out to be something quite special.

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Let's make this clear: this game is one of the most unique ZvZs ever in Brood War's history, you do not want to miss out on watching the VOD:


If you already did, here's a battle report to remind you of the details:

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Zero spawns as yellow at 4 o'clock


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great in red at 12


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they both scout in the right direction


Great opens 12pool 11gas while zero takes the front expo with a 12 hatch, not opting for the protected back expo to keep distance from great. Happy with his position, great calmly takes the protected expansion behind the lurker eggs. Since they have both scouted each other right off the bat, great doesn't produce any lings until Zero's pool is done, but starts hive earlier, and as such

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he puts down a faster spire


Zero manages to sneak his first 2 lings up great's ramp, even though he has 4 lings defending

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they damage a drone

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and the last ling turns back to kill it with its dying breath


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great was already morphing a sunken, and zero puts one down too, preparing for the vengeance for the drone

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which finishes just in time


Afraid of great's earlier mutas, zero decides to sacrifice some of his economic advantage, and morph an evo chamber, and then a spore colony at each of his bases.
Great's first wave is composed of scourge, and he

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tries to attack just as the colony starts morphing,


but only kills a drone. Zero, expecting the scourge, makes scourge of his own at first, and by the time his first mutas pop

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they are well defended by the spore


With the mutas Zero fights off a new wave of lings. Both players show perfect micro to kill some scourge, and spend some time just macro up, then finally:

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Zero puts down a queens nest


and starts the hive subsequently

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while great expand to the front, towards the Woongjin player


To the big satisfaction of the crowd and the casters,

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Zero morphs two queens!


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and great sacrifices a scourge to scout the hive!


Now both players appear to be scared - zero moves out to ride his momentum of surprise, and great wants to engage before zero can make queens - not knowing he already did.

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great catches a small clump of mutas

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the scourge clash

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and zero lands an ensnare, so great has to commit


but great has vastly superior muta numbers, and even after two landed ensnares he still wins, taking out zero's mutas, spore colony, and

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even some drones at the natural


observer shows its due to the level 2 carapace upgrade - great is using his spire timing advantage well

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he puts down a hatch and a hydra den


Zero has a single carapace upgrade, and he isnt close to catching up either

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because he was busy evolving his spire!

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to capitalize on this, immediately coccoons appear


great is confident in his economic lead, so he puts down an evo chamber as well, with a few spores to defend his three bases. In fact, after scouting zero's air fleet of mutalisks, queens and devourers, he ups the number of them at every base.

Zero continues to threaten the borderlines of the Khan zerg's territory, and starts a third hatch, still not taking the expo towards the opponent. Great sends out a few scourge to try to snipe either queens or devourers

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but he cannot pick them out of the clump


zero snipes a drone trying to sneak an expo on the left

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and a few more scourge almost manage to kill a queen


the damaged queen becomes frenzied, darting alone towards great's base, almost falling to a spore colony, but not finding great's army anywhere

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it parasites the first of great's hydralisks


great's army returns home, but they get ensnared fast, and when zero starts picking off drones, great cannot risk losing his mutas

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so he tries defending desperately with hydras.

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Zero used the time to drone up and put down a 4th hatch

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and a defiler's mound with a hydra den


which great scouts immediately with an other clutch scourge-scout
great tries to double-expand, and while one of them gets scouted,

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the other one starts a hidden hatchery on the left


the game just keeps steering further from the zvz norm, a group of hydras tries to repel zero's advance

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but they get ensnared


So far Zero has been staying true to his fame, using his queens perfectly - his two original ones still alive -, and he's landing ensnares left and right

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but he cannot break great's hydra-spore-muta defense

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and he loses both devourers to hydras


great's army is whittled down down though, and he is forced to withdraw behind his spores.
rushing for defiler tech

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both players have double defiler mounds


At this point, both players catch a few seconds of rest, 18 minutes into this zvz, then Zero attacks the front with a small muta-ling army, seconds before consume finishes for great's defilers. Drawing defenses to the natural, the Woongjin zerg flies over the main to take out a defenseless defiler and to scout great's 6th hatchery - which he thinks to be his fifth.
Zero uses this time to double-expand,

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and great prepares defenses at his separated expo on the left.


Just in time before it's scouted. Both players set up defenses with lurkers and Nydus canals.

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quite a sight to behold.


Zero launches a small assault on the left with lings

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spawning broodlings on the defiler


...and landing his own swarms on the front.

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It's a matter of principle.


The Samsung player is slowly starting to re-establish his map presence with defiler-lead lurker/hydra armies, and starts to break up the lurker eggs leading to Zero's fourth.

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even plaguing all of his mutalisks


Zero is visibly upset about the news. He masses lings on both sides of the egg wall, to try to get rid of the threat. Great uses this time to attack the hatchery in the middle with a control group of lings

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almost taking it out.


Both players are massing units and macroing, and great takes his 6th base.

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Most of the map is already taken


and the game is far from over!
At this point there are no major engagements, but the action is all over the place. Every defiler has a high bounty on their heads, they are plagued, broodlinged, and to the commentators' amusement:

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Zero seems to have loaded up a drop?!

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clearly.

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great launches a counter-attack

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but loses his attacked base.

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but so does Zero.

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who also happens to have a mutalisk with 10 kills over his empty third...


Zero tries a zergling counterattack, but lurkers dispose of it with relative ease. Zero clears up the mutas, and tries to rebuild his lost hatch, but great is already moving down there again with a huge lurker-hydra force.

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the returning mutas get plagued.

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and so do the queens.


But they still manage to snipe all of the defilers. The obersver spots Zero's Ultralisk Cavern,

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and the hatch goes down once again

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and four lurkers own zero's army.


After trying to flank each other relentlessly

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zero finally manages to corner great's hydras


And then the inevitable:

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great presents the first ultra..

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and Zero presents 6.


Zero loads up for an other drop as an assault on the left

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great seems to be prepared better this time.


Zero tries to reinforce the drop, but scourge intercept him

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and he loses an overlord with 2 ultralisks in it.


so he gives up on the drop and decides to defend instead

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ultra on ultra


Zero wins the battle after losing the hatchery, and immediately goes on a counterattack, but great's new ultras,

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and a clutch plague repel him.


After some back and forth ultra-ling engagements in the middle, zero is always forced to flee from great's territory

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there.


and the Samsung zerg is 2 bases ahead of him now. After getting his final group of ultralisks get plagued, Zero taps out.

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GG..


Zero was playing well, as long as the regular ZvZ skills are considered, but great just showed huge confidence and experience in his lategame management. Even though Zero was winning several engagements, after great's third hatch was placed, his map control (or the calculated surrendering of it), defense timings, larvae usage and other decisions were all steadily putting him ahead in macro - even though he made some smaller mistakes along the way. Still, we also have to applaud the Woongjin zerg's endurance and creativity, because it was due to them we were able to witness this gem of a battle, an incredible ZvZ where almost all zerg units were used: truly a game to remember in BW history.

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Then soon the two have been paired up in the all-zerg Ro4 of the PdPop MSL. Having a reputation for playing macro-based ZvZ games which not once end up in hive tech, their series was probably the most anticipated zerg versus zerg battle of the season. Especially so after their famous Bigfile MSL game (see above), which showed they were not afraid to get hive against each other either, not to mention that the very same map, Triathlon was to make a return in the lineup of this best-of-5!

The community response was clear, the people were hungry for hive-tech games.
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On February 07 2011 16:31 Sadistx wrote:
We're going to see some ultras.

On February 10 2011 14:09 seRapH wrote:
Great > Woongjin Zergs in hive-tech ZvZ's

On February 10 2011 14:32 Q.E.D. wrote:
Time for some Hive ZvZ ladies and gents! I wager 2 games will have defiler broodling snipe! anyone take me on it?

On February 10 2011 14:37 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Let's hope we at least see one hive tech ZvZ

On February 10 2011 16:27 Jragon wrote:
Hoping this match will break out in Hives. Gogo Great!

On February 10 2011 17:33 Holgerius wrote:
As long as we get hive tech games I don't care who wins.

On February 10 2011 17:59 LLuke wrote:
I am so pumped for this, finally Ro4! HIVE TECH ZVZ GO!

And so on...

Kiante will tell you now about this series.

The article is continued in the next post...
BW fighting!
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Hungary3932 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-13 22:44:12
July 13 2011 22:39 GMT
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The Great vs Zero PD pop MSL semi finals was easily one of the most hyped ZvZ series of recent times. Great had been experimenting and practicing his Hive tech ZvZ’s and was claiming that he was on the verge of changing the matchup entirely, while Zero was always known for his quirky Zerg style. While Zero was not known for his ZvZ particularly, being his weaker matchup, it was believed that if the game went to hive tech, that both players would be able to play an exciting and competent game. Without further ado, let’s have a look at how the series went down.

Game 1:
The series opened up on Circuit Breaker. Zero spawned at the 1 oclock while Great spawned in the 7 oclock. Zero, obviously trying to throw Great off his game for the first game of the series opened with an extractor trick 10 hatch, 9 pool, 9 gas, most likely with the intention of ling base aggression.

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Cheese to open a series! Always a good idea

Great opened with a 12 hatch in base, 11 pool, and soon after dropped a third hatchery at his natural expansion, not the most common of ZvZ build orders.

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Two can play at that game!

Zero proceeded to cut drones off gas once he had zergling speed and was continuing to mass up zerglings. Once Zero had about 20 lings he decided to move out to try and catch Great droning too hard. Unfrotunately Great managed to sneak a zergling inside Zero’s base just as the move out happened, getting all the information he could possible need, which is paramount in ZvZ.

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This zergling has no fear

Great barely held Zero’s bust with a wave of reinforcement zerglings coming out just in time!

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Not quite enough…

Great then continued to mass up zerglings from his 3 hatcheries while zero teched to lair. Unfortunately for Zero, he simply couldn’t keep up with Greats immense zergling production off 3 hatcheries, and neglected to make any sunkens so Great rolled over his remaining defenses easily before Zero’s spire was even half done.

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Too easy

In this game it seemed like Great was intended to take it to a hive tech game. This is evident in his choice of a 3 hatch speedling build order. If Great was unable to bust with his lings, he could easily spore up, make a ton of drones using his 3 hatcheries worth of larva, while crawling up the tech tree to get defilers and hydras to counter Zero’s mutalisk threat. Unfortunately for the viewers, Zero was fairly all-in with his speedling attack, and once it failed he was left without a realistic chance to win the game as his tech wasn’t fast enough to get mutalisks out in time to deter the mass ling threat.

Game 2:
The next game started up on Triathlon with Zero spawning in the 12 oclock position, while Great spawned in the 5 oclock. Both players opened up with a 12 pool gas build order, and both took their second hatcheries at the same time. However Zero decided to take his back natural (protected by cloaked lurker eggs), while Great took his front natural expansion. This left Great more vulnerable to Zergling attacks while also being able to produce more zerglings himself because he was able to make lings from 2 hatcheries.


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Playing it safe

While both players dropped their lairs and spires at similar timings, this is the point in the game where their builds diverged slightly. Great decided to make a sunken and drone up, while Zero popped out a round of lings just before the spires completed for a pre-mutalisk timing attack. Great was forced to pull his drones off mining for a time to defend through some nice drilling, however Zero was able to kill several drones and give himself a slight advantage going into the midgame.

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Drones: Don’t worry Great, we got this.

To try and keep himself in the game, knowing that Zero would most likely win in a standard muta on muta midgame due to his disadvantage, Great spored up each of his bases with 2 spore colonies while Zero attempted to harass.

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Mutas don’t care about insignificant things like anti-air defense

While Zero was harassing, Great took the opportunity presented to him by his spore colonies to go and harass Zero’s base. Before Zero could get back, he’d lost a ton of drones.

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What happened to our friends -_-

Great then proceeded to head for hive tech, dropping a queens nest and getting an extra hatchery and a hive once it was complete. Zero decided to stay on lair tech, opting to expand and add on an extra hatchery in his main, putting himself 1 gas ahead of Great, who was unable to be aggressive until he had his hive tech out, due to Zero’s +1 mutalisks being in much greater number than his own.

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I like where this is heading

This is where things started to get really interesting in the game, with both players entering relatively unexplored territory. Zero got his own queens nest and hive thereafter along with 2 evolution chambers to try and catch up to Greats upgrades. In the meantime Great had a hydralisk den up as his hive completed and soonafter made two defiler mounds to get plague and consume at the same time.

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Double the upgrades, double the fun?

With Defilers and Hydralisks being his counter to Zero’s mutalisk count, Great finally moved out of his base and expanded to the 6 oclock expansion, using lurkers to clear out of the eggs blocking the way to it. Zero thought about attacking this as it finishes but seeing the defiler he smartly ran away before all of his mutalisks got plagued.

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Close one

Zero, still with map control expanded to the 9 oclock natural expansion, while getting his own hydra/lurker tech up and running along with a nydus canal and some sunkens to defend his bases. Continuing the passivity in the game at this point Great expanded to his own back natural, and soon after expanded to the inner expo near his own base. Zero also expanded to the 9 oclock main and left his mutas there to help defend any drops.

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With the amount of bases taken you’d think this was a TvT

Both players began to probe at prod at each other’s defenses at this point of the game, with Zero parasiting some lurkers to help keep track of Greats army, while Great was attempting to be aggressive with hydra/defiler but Zero kept getting better plagues off.

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PLAGUUUUU

Zero finally decided he was in a solid enough position to start doing some real aggression and doom dropped on Zero’s 3 oclock back natural, leveling it in quick time with hydra/lurker under swarm. He started to move into the main but Great got back in time to defend.

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Great position there, Great

Zero then starts to push in on Greats inner expansion, with lurkers under swarm but great manages to barely hold off, but got the worse of the exchange. Great countered and kills Zero’s inner expansion, but in the process Zero’s reinforcements decimate his army, leaving him with virtually nothing. With ultras popping out for Zero, Great went for a last ditch drop at the 9oclock main, but was shut down by Zero’s mutas and ultras and Great taps out.

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GG

Games 3 and 4 of the series were relatively uneventful when compared to the first two games of the series. Game 2 was a standard muta vs muta ZvZ with matching build orders on Benzene. Both players opened 12 hatch because of the huge rush distances on the map. Great simply outplayed Zero here, using his lings and mutas as distractions to continually reduce Zero’s drone count until finally Greats muta/scourge counter overwhelmed Zero and he was forced to tap out. Game 4 was even quicker, with Great going 9 pool Speed, versus Zero’s 12 hatch, and successfully killing Zero’s expansion hatchery with his early ling aggression. Zero attempted to do a ling counter attack to win the game before Greats mutas came out, but Great was easily on top of it, only making 3 mutalisks and pumping lings and was easily able to deflect Zero’s lings while his mutas killed Zero’s unprotected drones forcing the GG and therefore winning the series 3-1.

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Since then they've only played a single game: a Proleague set a little more than a month after this semifinal, which Zero took easily.

If they met in a series now, the Woongjin ace would probably sweep the liquibet polls, his ZvZ-packed run in the recent ABC-Mart MSL (defeating Calm and Jaedong in Best-of-five series on his road to the finals) was very impressive, and finally showed some much needed consistency, while great has been slumping ever since his lost finals against Hydra.

Still, so far the Khan player has quite a convincing lead in their head-to-head records, and until these last months have also appeared to be the better zvz player overall, so it's impossible to predict the outcome of their future games.

One thing is for sure, when in good form, both players are able to compete with the very bests of the world, and as such, it's not foolish of us to hope they will meet in many sets and series to come. Seeing their history so far there's a good chance they will keep on producing games worth watching.



Huge thanks to Kiante and prplhz for their great work on this release!
Special thanks to _Quasar_ for his ideas and suggestions for this article.

If you missed Unsung I on Fantasy and Calm, check it out here!
Unsung III is going to be a special feature on in-team rivalries, arriving in a few days, look forward to it! (And the series is far from over.)

Thank you for reading!
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Switzerland2412 Posts
July 13 2011 22:55 GMT
#3
YESSSSS!
I got a huge grin when I saw this title in the BW section.
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Last Edited: 2011-07-13 23:01:25
July 13 2011 23:00 GMT
#4
very nice
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Croatia9490 Posts
July 13 2011 23:03 GMT
#5
So awesome!
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Percutio
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1672 Posts
July 13 2011 23:30 GMT
#6

Awesome article.

I've caught a surprising amount of ZvZ hive tech games live. I caught the "famous" Triathlon game midway through and was like, wtfisthis?!?! It was so nice to watch!
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Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada9837 Posts
July 13 2011 23:43 GMT
#7
Sweet; I was smiling like a little kid at Christmas when I saw this one <3
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Profile Joined October 2009
Israel2097 Posts
July 13 2011 23:57 GMT
#8
awesome article
those games are so rare in a matchup i so dislike to watch
its great to have those assembled
thnx
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Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
July 14 2011 00:02 GMT
#9
Great read. Speaking of great, does anyone have info on Great?

He was in the MSL finals, and then started playing somewhat lackluster. But an 8-13 record usually isn't enough to turn such an experienced player into a B teamer.
I think a player with a 9-4 record against Zero and Soulkey wouldn't have been the worst thing to have in the recent post season set.
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Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3612 Posts
July 14 2011 01:08 GMT
#10
These articles are so long, it's fantastic to have.
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Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States2106 Posts
July 14 2011 01:24 GMT
#11
Something tells me that Soulkey VS Fantasy might be a series to ready about soon.

Either that or Bisu VS Shine.
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Malaysia1731 Posts
July 14 2011 01:44 GMT
#12
great article. Thanks :D

Wonder what happen to Great now?
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rainei
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Canada1316 Posts
July 14 2011 03:41 GMT
#13
Awesome awesome articles. That Triathlon Hive ZvZ is almost like a "you had to be there" moment. I remember watching that entire game with my mouth wide open. In that game, every single unit and spell was used save for the Guardian.
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Profile Joined December 2010
United States506 Posts
July 14 2011 03:58 GMT
#14
kekeke! thank you! zero! soulkey! woohoo! :DDD
^^
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Korea (South)2393 Posts
July 14 2011 04:16 GMT
#15
awesome articles keep them coming!
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Profile Joined April 2010
United States290 Posts
July 14 2011 04:59 GMT
#16
This was awesome =) I've always been intrigued by cool ZvZs, but I'm pretty ignorant about zerg play in general. Thanks for the step by step thought process layout! Maybe in the OSL we'll get some hive ZvZ? Am I hoping for too much?
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2550 Posts
July 14 2011 05:19 GMT
#17
Excellent read! I thoroughly enjoy these and can't wait the next one
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United States3735 Posts
July 14 2011 06:38 GMT
#18
In-team rivalries:

Stork - Jangbi
ZerO - Soulkey
Fantasy - Hyuk? LOLOL
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3149 Posts
July 14 2011 09:45 GMT
#19
Great article! I need to rewatch that Great vs. Zero match on triathlon

Keep them coming!
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United States1728 Posts
July 14 2011 14:41 GMT
#20
Once again, a great article. But having to click on the spoiler over and over is tiring.
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Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
July 14 2011 15:04 GMT
#21
Another awesome article! I'll finish reading this tomorrow(gonna sleep now). I'm so excited for the in-team rivalries .
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Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
July 14 2011 15:39 GMT
#22
Half-read. I'm gonna read the rest tomorrow . Love Great. And Zero is so cute.
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Profile Blog Joined July 2007
1079 Posts
July 14 2011 15:54 GMT
#23
ZvZ have never been this exciting :D
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Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
July 14 2011 16:25 GMT
#24
Great vs ZerO, the best ZvZ rivalry in the history!
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Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1364 Posts
July 14 2011 16:35 GMT
#25
But where was Great now when Khan would've most needed him? Any info?
If you have to ask, you don't know.
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United States4397 Posts
July 14 2011 17:15 GMT
#26
Jaedong vs ForGG next!!!
☺
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Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
July 14 2011 18:38 GMT
#27
On July 14 2011 23:41 Caos2 wrote:
Once again, a great article. But having to click on the spoiler over and over is tiring.

That's right, think of all the poor ATP that was hydrolyzed in order to stimulate the finger muscle!
+ Show Spoiler +
:p
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United States1278 Posts
July 14 2011 19:00 GMT
#28
Oh man I can't wait for these games. Hope they turn out as awesome as I expect
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Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
July 14 2011 21:27 GMT
#29
Dam this series is awesome.
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Denmark9110 Posts
July 14 2011 21:36 GMT
#30
In team rivalries?
Soulkey zero? fantasy bisu? Iris savior? Oov boxer?

I am curious which you will have, thanks alot for the read
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
July 15 2011 16:02 GMT
#31
Wow this is very interesting for someone like me who doesn't devote enough time to the scene. My only additional request is that you provide the link the games if you don't mind.

Thanks
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Netherlands19130 Posts
July 15 2011 16:18 GMT
#32
Amazing topic! Kudos!
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Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary3932 Posts
July 18 2011 18:54 GMT
#33
On July 14 2011 23:41 Caos2 wrote:
Once again, a great article. But having to click on the spoiler over and over is tiring.

Thanks! I really think the few spoilers are helping to keep the thing neat and organized. Just scrolling through it (say, if you want to read the comments) is already tiring enough with the spoilers closed
So far both articles have been so long that the forum engine seemed to have problems with processing all the BB-markup they include, that's why they were posted as two posts.

On July 15 2011 06:36 Iplaythings wrote:
In team rivalries?
Soulkey zero? fantasy bisu? Iris savior? Oov boxer?

I am curious which you will have, thanks alot for the read

The whole article series is concentrating on currently active rivalries, so I don't think you'll see Iris vs Savior or Oov vs Boxer in Unsung III. (Also, if you think Boxer vs Oov is "unsung", then what isn't?)
That said, there have been some pretty nice guesses in this thread as well

On July 16 2011 01:02 JieXian wrote:
Wow this is very interesting for someone like me who doesn't devote enough time to the scene. My only additional request is that you provide the link the games if you don't mind.

Thanks

Thanks for the feedback, I'll try to make sure that happens from now on!
BW fighting!
Rainmaker5
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1027 Posts
July 18 2011 19:32 GMT
#34
Does anyone remember the game where Effort went hive in ZvZ and nydus wormed the other main. I think it was on Judgement day but I could be completely wrong.
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538
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary3932 Posts
July 18 2011 20:28 GMT
#35
On July 19 2011 04:32 Rainmaker5 wrote:
Does anyone remember the game where Effort went hive in ZvZ and nydus wormed the other main. I think it was on Judgement day but I could be completely wrong.

I think you mean Effort vs Hyuk on Judgement Day, Effort used a pretty amazing build there, something like 9 pool speed into taking drones off gas into a double-expand right away. He had his third hatch down before Hyuk could even leave his main.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50001 Posts
August 15 2011 11:31 GMT
#36
Still waiting on Unsung 3..
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Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)2393 Posts
August 15 2011 11:43 GMT
#37
whos in unsung3?
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Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
August 15 2011 11:47 GMT
#38
Thanks for this, had a really good read.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary3932 Posts
August 15 2011 18:38 GMT
#39
On August 15 2011 20:31 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Still waiting on Unsung 3..

Yes, we had some unfortunate personal issues come up while working on Unsung 3, hence the unannounced and long delay (has it really been a month already? wow), my apologies - we're hoping to get it to you as fast as possible, please be patient. (but especially in the light of these recent problems I can't give you an exact release date)
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Profile Joined September 2009
Romania7799 Posts
August 16 2011 12:52 GMT
#40
very good article
thank you!
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United States258 Posts
August 17 2011 02:43 GMT
#41
Better than the Fantasy/Clam one!
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United States1553 Posts
August 17 2011 02:52 GMT
#42
Can't wait for the next one! n_n
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