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SomeONEx
Sweden641 Posts
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FXOTheoRy
United States519 Posts
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
BW doesn't have an APM display or an in-game clock, so the "faster is the default" thing doesn't matter. When people talk about APM in BW, they mean actions per normal human minute, instead of crazy Blizzard minute. | ||
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Musou
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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xxpack09
United States2160 Posts
1) Different games take different amounts of APM to play effectively 2) Generally, you can have more APM in a game where you're more comfortable with the interface. | ||
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Gatsbizzle
United States132 Posts
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/APM That would be the numerical difference. As for the necessity for higher or lower APM depending on the game, well, that's a different discussion. Edit: woops got beat to it (due to my low APM, no doubt ) | ||
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SirGlinG
Sweden933 Posts
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Termit
Sweden3466 Posts
On June 14 2011 02:57 SirGlinG wrote: Not sure how much it differs but my apm is about 40 % less in sc2. But that could have to do with the game itself perhaps not requiring as much apm yet as bw did for me. I believe SC2 takes away ~100 APM from your real APM or something like that. I don't really remember what Artosis said when he talked about this during a cast. | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On June 14 2011 02:56 Musou wrote: BW apm is calculated using BWChart and is realtime APM. It includes spamming, so EAPM (effective APM) is a player's actual APM. 1100 is quite an exaggeration unless he was literally sitting there just spamming and doing nothing useful, as I've the highest APM I've ever seen from a pro was July's 800+ peak APM in his game against Hwasin in 2007. The highest average I remember is around 450 from either Effort or Hiya recently. I believe Hero also has quite a high average APM, but I don't recall seeing exact numbers given by the networks. SC2 APM is in gametime rather than realtime, so multiply by 1.4 to get 'realtime APM' which would be comparable to BW APM. I forget which individual league it was but i remember a bunch of zergs averaging over 500apm. Hyuk, Hero... | ||
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primebeef
United States140 Posts
SC2 has a lower apm counter because it is player on a faster setting than BW, I forgot what the ratio of SC2 compared to BW is but it a fraction like 9/10 or so. Nada who has a very high APM when he first switched over to SC2 had 300-400 apm with super spam, but it has droped since then. 450 is a believeable amount for SC2 but it won't help him with anything if 350-400 of those actions are useless. | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On June 14 2011 02:56 xxpack09 wrote: I guarantee you no one has 1100 APM in BW. That said: 1) Different games take different amounts of APM to play effectively 2) Generally, you can have more APM in a game where you're more comfortable with the interface. Agreed with this. I have 70 "SC2 APM" (So ~90) in SC2 as Zerg. Playing Zerg in SC1, I have 60 APM, which is less even before conversion. As to which requires more, that's a flamewar waiting to happen, but SC2 requires at least 50 APM (70 "real" APM) to play "competently", according to Day[9]. I imagine that the minimum threshold for BW is higher. At the pro level, once converted to "real" time, Korean SC2 pros move as fast as Korean BW pros. The only foreigner whose APM I know offhand is Kiwikaki's 170 (~230 after conversion), but I don't know if that's common for foreigners. On June 14 2011 03:13 primebeef wrote: There is no one with 1100 apm. SC2 has a lower apm counter because it is player on a faster setting than BW, I forgot what the ratio of SC2 compared to BW is but it a fraction like 9/10 or so. Nada who has a very high APM when he first switched over to SC2 had 300-400 apm with super spam, but it has droped since then. 450 is a believeable amount for SC2 but it won't help him with anything if 350-400 of those actions are useless. It's about 3/4ths. 450 is the high end of humanly possible, unless that's after conversion, where it's a little more reasonable. But if the guy claimed 1100 BW APM, he's propably full of crap. No one's that fast. | ||
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xxpack09
United States2160 Posts
On June 14 2011 03:11 ShadeR wrote: I forget which individual league it was but i remember a bunch of zergs averaging over 500apm. Hyuk, Hero... Hero is known to have broken 500 in a game | ||
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Zapdos_Smithh
Canada2620 Posts
I believe July had 818 in one game, I remember seeing a video/screen shot. Probably only a 5 minute game though. | ||
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Musou
1375 Posts
On June 14 2011 03:13 Ribbon wrote: Agreed with this. I have 70 "SC2 APM" (So ~90) in SC2 as Zerg. Playing Zerg in SC1, I have 60 APM, which is less even before conversion. As to which requires more, that's a flamewar waiting to happen, but SC2 requires at least 50 APM (70 "real" APM) to play "competently", according to Day[9]. I imagine that the minimum threshold for BW is higher. At the pro level, once converted to "real" time, Korean SC2 pros move as fast as Korean BW pros. The only foreigner whose APM I know offhand is Kiwikaki's 170 (~230 after conversion), but I don't know if that's common for foreigners. It's about 3/4ths. 450 is the high end of humanly possible, unless that's after conversion, where it's a little more reasonable. But if the guy claimed 1100 BW APM, he's propably full of crap. No one's that fast. 1100 is actually possible if you spam and do nothing else. I've done a test in SC2 where I've just hotkeyed everything 1 to 0 and sat there spamming as fast as I could for a couple minutes and my APM was averaging over 1000 in the replay. Granted, it was completely worthless as I was literally doing nothing but spamming selects and not building or mining or anything. Anyone who's played piano at a high level will easily have that much APM if not more, considering there are pieces where you have to sustain constant 16th and 32nd notes at 300+bpm and a single beat is a quarter note (ie 1200-2400 APM per hand). | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
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Royalcommand
Korea (South)189 Posts
On June 14 2011 03:16 Zapdos_Smithh wrote: I believe July had 818 in one game, I remember seeing a video/screen shot. Probably only a 5 minute game though. that was his max in 1 game, it was probably just holding down the "1" key | ||
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
On June 14 2011 03:21 ShadeR wrote: Yes but i'm fairly certain modern zergs average 500+ which if i daresay is much more impressive than just hitting 818. As those zerg are Hyuk and Hero, I would not qualify that as impressive. Stork, sAviOr and Nal_ra are true heroes =) | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10352 Posts
tried to search but can't find the exact amount of sc2 blizzard faster seconds in a real min. or vise versa. personal observations say about 45 real seconds in a sc2 blizzard faster minuet but is there a exact number posted somewhere? | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On June 14 2011 03:27 corumjhaelen wrote: As those zerg are Hyuk and Hero, I would not qualify that as impressive. Stork, sAviOr and Nal_ra are true heroes =) Amazes me how Stork is from the savior nalra era with comparatively low apm compared to the mechanical beasts of today is still competitive. | ||
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